updates.laptop.org now serves F11-for-XO1.5 builds through olpc-update
Long ago I was able to run olpc-update using an USB stick as input.
Does the current olpc-update still support that mode ?
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I'm a Terminal user - and I had to install Terminal myself. Some
other popular (my opinion) activities not included were: irc, maze,
and tamtam_mini. Speak speaks; Record records audio. There was
one circle icon in Neighborhood, but two circle icons in Frame.
All activities launched (that
Tiago wrote:
I have testedd it in the XO-1.5 but it unfortunately is crashing with a
green scrreen on video, a problem that Mikus has already described in
Mplayer on the test builds.
On the XO-1.5, I get Mplayer to *not* crash by telling it to not use
a vt driver. The command line I use is '
I've noticed time-outs-from-the-game with os40 that I had not
noticed before. For instance, when I boot with the check game key,
the boot process simply stops for more than 50 seconds (just after a
message about rtc) before continuing. Sometimes quite trivial
commands just stop for a
I have the subdirectories for some Activities installed on my
permanent SD card (it's in the external slot of my XO-1.5).
Os42 is not mounting (at boot) my permanent SD card. I
experimented with removing the SD card's entry from /etc/fstab.
The first time sugar came up (after boot), it did
I do not have a Fedora system. I've been using 'livecd-iso-to-disk'
script for building USB sticks from .iso files. But that never has
worked for me with XO-1.5 builds. And just now it failed with a
recent XO-1 build. [Booting stalls - can't mount root filesystem.]
A while ago I read a
Both yesterday and today, I'm getting an error message about
filelists.xml.gz on http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~dsd/repos/, from both
the f11 and f11-xo1 repositories:
[Errno -1] Metadata file does not match checksum
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Just installed sugar-0.84.7-1 on my XO-1.5. Frame now shows two
icons for my ethernet connection (as well as two battery icons).
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I reopened a ticket which I believed had been prematurely closed --
and somewhere along the line the original description of the problem
(for which that ticket had been written) got lost.
Can that original description be retrieved from trac ?
What can I do in a future situation to ensure that
I'm receiving e-mail copies of matchmaker comments to year-old
dev.laptop.org trac tickets, where *looking* at (for instance)
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8834 does not show such new? comments.
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Description of changes in this build:
* Include olpc-netutils in build (#9587)
It was kind of you to include these -- but despite the upbeat
comments in #9587, of the eight utilities in this package: two show
no output; four omit some information (and get back errors from
some of the
Do we really want to be running something like update which (I assume)
takes significant resources without consulting with the user?
Yes! Remember, these are not designed as normal laptops. They are for
young children and for use in schools. The only time to do updates is
when the child is
I'm booting soas04xo from nand on an XO-1. For me, alt-tab does not
work to switch between activity sessions - I have to use the icons
in Frame top right to switch between Activities. But I've
customized my system, so I don't know if this is a sugar problem, or
my problem.
Please, would
YouTube video can be encapsulated H.264, On2 VP6, or the older
Sorenson Spark. So it's important to try to test the same file.
Where you are coming from appears to differ from where I am coming
from. I am looking at the XO from the point of view of How usable
is this? That question does not
James wrote:
I'm curious to know if it was the change in #9538 that caused the
regression. Could you temporarily change the display depth back to
what it was and see if that restores the original behaviour?
I'd love to. But I don't know how to do that.
Changing the 'Depth' in Screen in
* The crash on vertical scrolling is really hurting me. I
cannot access all of my Journal, nor all of Home List View (I have
to use the search field -- *if* I know what I am looking for).
Got the same issue, but could work around it by setting the X server into
24bpp mode instead of
When I try to run mplayer on os33 with the parameters that I use on
the XO-1, the XO-1.5 shows a bright green screen and locks up
completely (all that I can do is power off). I have to explicitly
tell mplayer to use the 'x11' driver (i.e., *no* implied
acceleration) in order to see a moving
This is with XO-1 booted from USB stick created from soas03xo.iso:
* alt-tab does not switch for me between activity sessions -- to
switch I had to click on the icons in Frame.
I don't know if virgin soas03xo does this - I've added some
customizations - therefore I didn't want to write
Helped a friend install os8 on his XO-1. When we got done, he
decided to enter the command 'yum install gparted'. Yum failed with
a not enough memory error.
I happened to have an SD card with me that had a swap partition
defined on it. The XO's SD slot was already in use, so I attached
an
I normally work with both an external USB mouse and an external USB
keyboard plugged in. Just now I noticed that the keys on the XO
itself were no longer working; neither was the touchpad. [The USB
devices continued to work.] Rebooting made no change (whether the
USB devices were plugged in
Was able to use the XO-1.5 (os32) at another location, connected
without a proxy. My opinion - this is a quite nice machine.
The principal user-perception experience where improvement would
still be welcome is video support. Changes to the screen (e.g.,
show/hide Frame) are not being done
My experience with the XO-1.5 has been much better:
4) Both Browse and Firefox on Gnome don't load certain popular sites
(see below).
I don't go to Gnome - I run both Browse and Firefox under Sugar.
Neither Browse nor Firefox had any trouble whatsoever with either of
those sites (Skype,
Finally - the first new (non-F9) build that I've installed in over
nine months that can show movies for me !! [Though even on the
XO-1.5, YouTube remains snapshotty rather than smooth.]
I'm still getting a feel for what this system will do. My suite
of multimedia applications works - and all
Using an USB-SD adapter with one of those recommended SD cards might
be a good idea.
I'm very heavily dependent on SD cards. In 2008 it was my
experience that using a particular hub/adapter to initialize SD
cards, I was often seeing partition table corruption. What I ended
up doing was to
Disclaimer: I am not asking for help; I'm sharing my experiences.
Ran with soas70xo (booted from nand) on my XO-1. Many of the
difficulties with previous SoaS builds were still present, with some
new ones added.
The X crash scrolling problem is a BLOCKER - for instance, because
of this
Regarding _using_ the 'new' toolbar:
I would argue your 'significant amount of XO screen real estate' is a
rather large exaggeration ;-)
My XO-1 screen is 4.5 inches vertically. On soas70xo, two toolbars
together visually black out .75 inches vertically. That's 1/6 of
my entire screen.
Anyone interested in helping the last few steps in getting XO-1 mesh
support running again?
Sorry - but my news (testing mesh support in F11) is not good.
Could not run a Chat session using any F11-on-XO1 systems. Don't
know if it is a problem with Chat-65 itself, or with the interface.
I
... testing seems like something that is needed, though I would like to
know what is required in order to say that one of these builds is
ready to be deployed somewhere.
The __principal__ thing that keeps me from recommending one of these
builds is lack of moving pictures output. ['Record'
Disclaimer: I am not asking for help; I'm sharing my experiences.
Ran with soas63xo (booted from nand) on my XO-1. Many of the
difficulties with previous SoaS builds were still present.
My Settings - DateTime - as soon as (to move the selection off UTC
to my timezone) I pressed (cursor
Regarding revised toolbar design:
Putting the user coloured activity icon
in as the first icon is also a nice design win regarding
identifying the activity you're looking at (and whose it is).
I'm not your typical user - I usually have more than 100 Activities
installed. You may remember
Lately, I have been testing SocialCalc on the Sugar Live CD, and have run
into issues.
Don't know what is working/not_working for you, but as an experiment
I just tried SocialCalc on my XO-1 with build soas-2-beta (this
build was booted from an USB stick) -- socialcalcactivity-1.xo (size
I've modified some system files in /etc to define some global
environmental variables ( export WHAT=foo ). Those variables are
available within the environment passed to a Terminal session (or
when logged on at the text console) -- the command 'echo $WHAT
$LANG' will emit foo en_US.UTF-8.
I've modified some system files in /etc to define some global
environmental variables ( export WHAT=foo ). Those variables are
available within the environment passed to a Terminal session (or
when logged on at the text console) -- the command 'echo $WHAT
$LANG' will emit foo
Booted an XO-1 into soas-2-beta (from USB stick).
Had the usual SoaS3 problem making it ready for me (I use
__Terminal__ for most of what I do): Initially, boot got as far as
Home View - but the ring did not include Terminal. When I clicked
on the upper right image to switch to Home List
I haven't been able to test that .xo link on an actual OLPC yet, so
feel free to pass along bug reports, experiences, etc.
These days I'm running F11-on-XO1 on my XO-1s -- SarynPaint launches
and runs on both my smparrish build os6 and on my mtd build soasxo59.
It shows that just checked in
So, is there some way I could list the OpenJDK dependency in the
activity.info file and have the system offer to download and install
OpenJDK if it has not yet been installed?
No, activity bundles are supposed to be self-contained, not depending
on anything else other than the standard
http://people.sugarlabs.org/~mtd/soas-xo1/soasxo59.removable.img.tar.lzma
Seemed to run well (booted from USB stick). Thanks for a good job.
mikus
p.s. Got sound from 'Speak'. But as usual with all F11-on-XO1
builds to date, 'Record' (quickly) gave up the ghost, without
showing me any
as usual with all F11-on-XO1 builds to date
'Record' (quickly) gave up the ghost, without
showing me any moving picture output from the camera.
The camera doesn't work in Record, which is at least this bug:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D498900
You will notice that this
Disclaimer: I am not asking for help; I'm sharing my experiences.
Booted SoaS3-200908222158.iso (from USB stick) on my XO-1. I don't
know if it was the USB stick's hardware, or the build's software,
but now my system seemed to run at least twice as slow as normal.
The first try I got as
Booted SoaS3-200908182110.iso (from USB stick) on my XO-1.
The screen kept switching between white and back as the system
repeatedly tried to launch an X session for Sugar - but failed.
I manually started a Sugar session from the text console. The
screen got as far as showing Home View (no
I asked once before, but got no answer:
| When the XO-1.5 on F11 software is eventually deployed (e.g.,
| installed by the factory), what level of Sugar will it provide ?
I just installed 'write-66.xo' on a Parrish XO-1 build on my XO-1.
It failed to launch, because its python code could not
Is XO-1.5 software expected to run Activities marked for 0.86 ?
If we are shipping Sugar 0.84, the answer is no (due to API incompatibility).
The current build tools pulls in the latest stable activities from
ASLO somewhat blindly (as per my understanding)
I am interpreting this answer to
Martin Dengler wrote:
Not sure about *that* mountpoint in particular, but a forest of
invisible tmpfs mounts is present in the XO image because we use
stateless Fedora.
This allows olpc-update to work its magic.
This thread segment is about SoaS now (a bit OT for devel@, I agree),
which
Apparently irrespective of the content of /etc/fstab, recent
F11-on-XO1 builds are _mounting_ /var/cache/yum as a tmpfs.
After a very quick look, F11-on-XO mounts tmpfs there only via
/etc/fstab, so I don't know how to explain this. If you find
the answer I'd be interested to know it.
I
Steven wrote:
I have gotten a report of the XO-1 locking up after within an hour of booting
booting when left idle. Can anyone else report if this is happening.
I leave my XOs up 24/7. I don't recall os5 (or earlier parrish
versions) ever having locked up when left idle.
Mark wrote:
Disclaimer: I am not asking for help; I am sharing my experiences.
Apparently irrespective of the content of /etc/fstab, recent
F11-on-XO1 builds are _mounting_ /var/cache/yum as a tmpfs. What
gets placed into /var/cache/yum is the indexes of the
repositories, plus actual packages as they
chance ... a 8.2.x release aimed at fixing the paper cuts[1] and
low-risk bugs that hinder XO-1 deployability _today_ in the field -
have *you* got any candidates? Tell me about them :-)
I myself don't really patch -- mostly all I do is to add things to
make the XO more usable (as a Linux
The webpage for Pippy says it ought to work with Sugar 0.82-0.86.
Many of the Examples in Pippy include the line 'import pippy'.
Ran Pippy-35.xo on build os5. As has been my experience with many
F11 builds, when I tried to run any Pippy-provided example which
included that coding line, what I
[Disclaimer: I am not asking for help; just sharing my experience.]
Tried the new SoaS3-200908021950.iso image (with Sugar 0.85) on my
XO-1 - it works.
Just about the first thing I do upon installing a build is to use
Terminal. And Terminal opened __offset__ in the XO-1 screen (its
upper
Tomeu, I have great difficulty in dealing with your responses to
the posts I make. What I had written was a reply to Steven Parrish
asking I would appreciate testing and feedback. It was my intent
to provide feedback on system-related matters that in my opinion
deserved being brought to the
I copied both files to a usb drive then booted with holding the esc key.
Then 'copy-nand u:\os3.img' then it copied and I got back the firmware
prompt. It did not bark about wrong crc or something like that. Then I
switched the XO-1 off then switched on and all I can get is a Boot
failed
Yioryos posted a list of package differences between os2 and os3.
I don't know how authoritative this list is -- but if those are
*all* the differences, I myself would not have needed to migrate my
os2 XO-1s to os3 -- by explicitly having applied the individual
package upgrades in that list, I
Steven wrote
I have taken over creating builds for the XO1 from Daniel,
and have created a new build of F11 for the XO1.
OS3 can be downloaded from http://dev.laptop.org/~smparrish/xo-1/builds/
I've converted two XO-1s from running 'build os2' to running 'build
os3'. On os3, have not found
This build OS3 includes the pretty boot
animations, and also replaces olpcsound with csound.
I would apprectiate testing and feedback.
Disclaimer: perhaps off-topic Usability report :
Was running Firefox 3.5 (*not* the Activity). Noticed two things:
* The font size (for things like the
The images come with olpc-update and the initramfs is ready to boot
our special versioned layout filesystem (like 8.2 and previous).
However the code to generate the images as the versioned layout is
currently disabled because it exposed a bug in OFWs ext2 code.
That bug is fixed in q3a06,
Could not install activities on some XOs from sugarlabs site.
I guess I am confused as to where you were downloading from. Did you
try activities.sugarlabs.org?
They are going to activities.sl.o from the main sugarlabs.org page
The way I install Activities on F11-builds on XO-1 is
the problem is that I'd want to test the build before pushing,
and I'd want to be able to distribute what I test.
Also I wouldn't worry about testing before publishing. We don't do it
for XO-1.5 builds, never did it for joyride, etc. That's what users are
for!
I'm someone who doesn't mind
With XO-1, was monkeying around with a recent fedora-xo build, and
accidentally removed a font directory. That confused X, with the
result that it drew things more compactly than it was supposed to.
I had launched Terminal. With the Terminal window now occupying
less than a quarter of my
Disclaimer: This post contains Off-Topic meta discussion
Conclusion:
fedora-olpc, to be a sucess, needs a much slimmer UI than that
of GNOME.
Success needs to be defined. Seems to me the OLPC was envisioned
mainly for a single-application environment. Except for being slow at
Recently I've been experimenting with booting my XO from an USB
stick. I've been using the script 'livecd-iso-to-disk' to place
various F11-based builds (one at a time) onto the USB stick.
Just now, when a newly-created USB stick finished booting on the XO
(and a virgin sugar 0.84.5-1 was
The default that comes with the OS causes the probabilities to come
true about once per day. This can be changed by the theft deterrence
server for future requests in the update part of the response.
olpc-update-query is also called by cron every 15 minutes.
I seem to remember with 8.2.x
I've just updated csound in F12/devel to csoound 5.10.1 and would like
to get some testing (don't worry about the F12 designator its the same
as F11) to see if everything works as expected for the OLPC stuff so
when I push it into F11 and ultimately we can obsolete olpcsound.
plus
I
Been running rawhide-xo lately on my XOs. Have also installed
q2e41.rom . Each XO has a permanent SD card.
I was getting intermittent occasions when an XO would not boot --
soon after the screen background (as for ok prompt) changed from
white to black, its boot process would hang with only
Met with some XO owners at an establishment. The location had a
multitude of APs (the most sensitive XO saw more than a dozen) -
most of them locked. The establishment itself had an open AP to
which none of the XOs were able to connect - probably because
nm-tool showed that AP to be on
Disclaimer: I am not asking for help. I am describing something I
encountered which in my opinion is overly restrictive.
I'm running the latest rawhide-xo .img on my XO. I had manually
installed Browse-108. Happened to access a webpage which showed me
an 'entry field', into which I
I can't figure out how to get 45F9-9E44 out of that. Maybe it's a hash of a
long string.
I have *not* explored all the ins and outs of removable device
identification. I have, however, cussed at them long enough to
develop some rules of thumb:
- The '45F9-9E44' is an 'UUID' (you might
I thought now that we're getting closer to the Fedora 11 freeze it
would be a good time for everyone to where they're at as we move
towards F-11/9.1.0/olpc-next.
My biggest current question is: When on my XO I enter 'yum
check-update' (using either the latest SoaS2 .iso or the latest
If we are talking about 9.1.0, it would be nice if 'sound' and
'moving pictures' worked in F-11 on the XO. Currently they don't.
Are there bugzilla reports for these?
I. - I haven't figured out how to do an exhaustive search on
bugzilla. 'OLPC' picks up some; 'XO' picks up some;
All sorts of command line code gets in trouble if there are spaces in
filenames.
As a rule, Linux handles filenames well if the spaces therein are
prefixed with escape. [ For file 'Foo Bar', enter 'Foo\ Bar' ]
Haven't tried this with filenames specified within RoadMap, though.
mikus
p.s.
joyride or not, it's simply not the case that hardware
should work as expected. :-)
Actually, the hardware should work as expected, but the software might
not. ;-)
I'm running ~cjb/rawhide-xo/f11-beta/20090403.img on my XO.
[I don't know it that was built with the correct repositories.]
my XO never showed me a connection to that AP.
Before or after correcting the permissions on the new binary?
You are right. My apology. I set the permissions on the binary
when I downloaded it, but then copied the binary to backup, and
again copied it from backup to the system with which
Follow-up to my previous response:
2009/3/17 Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com:
I'm not sure which build version that workaround is supposed to apply to.
Anyway, I tried it with candidate-801 on my XO.
I don't have wireless at home. =A0Went to an establishment which had a
wireless AP (key-free
... the workaround definitely seems to be working fine. If
you'd like to try it, you simply have to replace the shell script at
/etc/NetworkManager/callouts/nm-dhcp-client.action with this binary:
http://dev.laptop.org/attachment/ticket/8104/nm-dhcp-action (named as
nm-dhcp-client.action).
configurable timeouts for screen dim and sleep. the dim
level is configurable.
My XO systems are plugged in to the AC, so I normally leave them
running 24/7. But in the middle of the night if I happen to walk
by, I notice if they are acting as light sources. Two concerns
(for which I
Both 800 and 801 lockup completely fairly regularly. Once locked up the
keys don't work . All I can do is hit the start button to turn the
machine off and then turn it back on.
Am I the only one having this problem?
I'm not having a lockup, but I am seeing unwanted behavior.
I have an XO
What would you do if you ran Ubuntu on your main computer but some of
the buttons on your keyboard were not working correctly? You would
file a bug with Ubuntu, who would hopefully either fix the problem on
their own back, or help you to report the issue to the developers of
the related
Suppose I have a file 'foobar.img' on an USB stick. On an unsecured
XO, I'm at the 'ok' prompt. What is the difference between using
'copy-nand u:\foobar.img' versus using 'update-nand u:\foobar.img ??
My question regarded an unsecured XO -- I have /security/develop.sig
on the (install) USB
Suppose I have a file 'foobar.img' on an USB stick. On an unsecured
XO, I'm at the 'ok' prompt. What is the difference between using
'copy-nand u:\foobar.img' versus using 'update-nand u:\foobar.img ??
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Sounds like you've found a bug, there should always be something
logged. Perhaps you could file a ticket with olpc-log output attached?
There are two perfectly good existing tickets (#8861, #8834). My
point was that this problem can still show up in 8.2.1.
[Attached some log output to
- I am running normally, with access to my SD card content
- I plug in an (additional) USB external storage device
- I can no longer access my SD card content
Is this a workflow you also followed with 8.2? IOWs, any reason to
believe it's new in 8.2.1?
Now that I think about it some
I had the RoadMap Activity installed on my 800 system. I just
updated (via manual 'sugar-install-bundle') to the latest version.
Now it does not launch.
The fault is likely to be mine - I either goofed the manual
install, or should not have applied the latest-and-greatest to
8.2.1.
no need for page deletions; there's still a lot to be worked out over
the coming months. I believe joyride is working as designed at the
moment and should be updated once 8.2.1 is quite out the door.
The substantial thing that Joyride has going for it is that it
*finally* provides a working
I have a permanent ext2 SD card in my XOs, which contains data and
software (in addition to those on nand). Twice now, while running
800 (the 8.2.1. candidate), the following sequence has occurred:
- I am running normally, with access to my SD card content
- I plug in an (additional) USB
Chris Ball and Paul Fox responded:
I take this to mean that *something* was draining some power for
the two days the XO was sitting in its shut down state.
The embedded controller was. Something needs to be watching for a power
button press in order to know when to turn on.
Thank you. I
This gets more and more bizarre !!
James wrote:
The displayed state of charge is stored in the chip in the battery, and
is maintained by the EC. The battery does not change it's own state of
charge value.
and
(If one discharges an XO battery outside the XO using a home lighting
My apologies for not being clear. I'll try again:
I want to feel that the battery that I just put into the XO I'm
walking out the door with is as charged up as it normally can be.
1) If that battery came from an XO that was plugged into the AC
24/7 for the past week -- I *think* it is
As far as I can tell, the battery in the XO-1 retains its charge
quite well when taken out of the case. But in my experience, when I
specify 'Shutdown' to the software, and close the XO lid after all
its lights (including 'power') are extinguished -- then when two
days later I insert the AC
BUG: Software update did not find the 8.2.1 specific Etoys activity release at
http://etoys.laptop.org/xo/8.2.1
What is the proper Etoys activity .xo to use with staging-27 ?
Etoys-99.xo (the latest; goes with etoys 4.0-2205-2 in staging-27) ?
or
Etoys+MP3-94.xo (added function for a
Why didn't Software update install the newer Browse (v.101 ?) that
according to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/8.2.1#Bug_fixes
addresses
ticket #9112 Enable Browse to embed PDF files in itself
Because it is a bit of a hack, aimed at deployments only. I don't
think it will be
I'm not sure completely sure about deployments but how much are they
actually used? Two kids under a tree don't technically need a mesh
to collaborate (as cool as it sounds).
Concentrating on deployments risks disrespecting G1G1 purchasers.
In Sugar 0.84, will mesh at least be disabled, from
When I try to fetch this with 'olpc-update', I get:
I don't think the requested build number exists.
mikus
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In Sugar 0.84, will mesh at least be disabled, from the point of view
of Ohm and the kernel, so that the WiFi chip can be powered down when
it's not in use for WiFi?
To me, one of the most attractive points about the OLPC is the
capability to use it collaboratively far from civilization.
To me, two kids under a tree is a very important scenario.
Although mesh fails on current Joyrides, I'm experimenting with
manual intervention (e.g., ifconfig) to get it going anyway.
What I notice is that that the mesh-related software on the XO does
not support all descriptions:
-
But I have *not* been able to assign a static ip address when a real
network was involved - Network Manager intervenes and destroys
whatever setup I've configured. [And if I stop Network manager,
the XO manages to 'vanish' the *hardware* device to which I would be
assigning my
You can configure a static ip address using ifconfig from the command
line. You'll need to be root.
Unfortunately, the OLPC has Network Manager, which knows better.
[I *have* been able to use ifconfig to assign a _mesh_ address on a
F10 Joyride (which otherwise has mesh support broken).]
But
a new firmware, q2e30
On non-secure XOs (i.e., with developer key), q2e30 now by default
shows pretty boot. I did not see this same need with every XO I
tried, but to consistently be able to stop at the 'ok' prompt, I
sometimes had to press 'check' (for non-pretty boot) when booting.
mikus
Hal Murray wrote:
For me, the new wireless is a step backwards. My setup used to fail
occasionally. Now it connects occasionally.
genesee wrote:
wifi has been broken in staging-9 and 11
Pia Waugh added:
I had a similar problem. I'm on a WEP network which worked fine on 8.2.0,
but we
Even with the mid-January-release sugar packages applied, mesh shows
up as disconnected on my XO (in particular, it is not being assigned
an IPv4 address). Meaning that when I try communicating between XOs
without an having an Access Point, I can only use 8.2 builds.
Are there control blocks
... are mechanisms in place to
prevent students from installing unauthorized apps, or malware?
That is a social issue - how can kids be motivated to do
acceptable things, and forgo immoral ones ??
I am much more concerned about how to prevent *adults*. The
original thought was that if an
I have seen the wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/8.2 page list
Activity versions that were *older* than those listed for plain
G1G1.
That's exactly as it is supposed to work. G1G1 lists dev versions,
G1G1/8.2 the stable versions tested with 8.2.
I did say 'o.k.' to this explanation
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