Re: Autoreinstallation image is not signed.

2008-06-03 Thread pgf
chris wrote: Hi, That said, there's a separate bug in trac about X not starting when the NAND flash is full. I'm not sure if that's what you're referring to as not booting or not, but we should fix that, too. Specifically, http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7125. What

Re: [sugar] Release Status Report - 8.2.0

2008-06-13 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before we can ship power management, though, we should also fix: * the SD corruption bug (#6532) -- if we can't fix it in time, we can inhibit suspend when an SD card is plugged in. *

Re: SuperUser permission for the Driver??

2008-06-26 Thread pgf
shivaprasad wrote: But I got one more question for you, now to install the activity and having it running I have to copy the rules file into /etc/udev/rules.d folder. How can I do this while installing the activity itself. ( I need to make sure that when I unzip my activity .xo file the

Re: SuperUser permission for the Driver??

2008-06-26 Thread pgf
benjamin m. schwartz wrote: Deepak Saxena wrote: | I agree with Paul that we need to have a solution to these | cases iff we want to support running arbitrary software and | hw combinations on the XO. The other option is to limit the | scope of the system to a very specific set of sw

boot timings

2008-06-27 Thread pgf
extra symbolsErrors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server 105.282| 35.340| [ hit return to enable shell on ttyS0 -pgf ] 105.314| 0.032|bash-3.2# 105.474| 0.160|bash-3.2# 121.361| 15.886|bash-3.2# [ shutdown commenced from suger, with timestamps reset -pgf ] 121.376| 0.015|bash-3.2# INIT

Re: boot timings

2008-06-27 Thread pgf
two quick addenda -- - i've put the source for the tool (cl.c) in my public_html on d.l.o. (i can no longer remember why it's called cl.) - there may be some red herrings in the trace i posted: to get the trace i had to completely disable the tty0 console. as a result,

Re: Parallel desktops

2008-06-27 Thread pgf
benjamin m. schwartz wrote: Having modified that file... it's not quite so simple. For example, GDM now runs automatically, but can't do anything, because it isn't aware of any valid session types. It also doesn't seem to know how to handle a single-user system with no passwords. i'm

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-28 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: The current list of OLPC_DEVEL_PACKAGES at: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/cscott/pilgrim;a=blob;f=streams.d/olpc-develop ment.stream;hb=joyride#l169 includes: rpm yum yum-metadata-parser openssh-server wget xterm which file tree

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-28 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which is redundant with type -a in the shell (or type -ap if you're being picky). But is 'which' large enough to merit the effort? probably not. i was mainly being pedantic. :-) when/how

Re: First Draft Development Process Proposal

2008-06-30 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:07 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and I formally request synchronizing our release schedule with Fedora's. That would be good, how

Re: First Draft Development Process Proposal

2008-06-30 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why is it necessary or optimal that we track every fedora release? it seems like a requirement that's both ambitious, and somewhat arbitrary. I personally think that it's good to keep your

Re: boot timings

2008-07-01 Thread pgf
bert wrote: Am 27.06.2008 um 21:55 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hello -- yesterday, as much for an exercise in using the serial port, manipulating the kernel commandline, and doing a little exploring, i resurrected an old tool of mine which timestamps lines received over a

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread pgf
jim wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 17:47 +0200, NoiseEHC wrote: 1. olpc games sets the reply-to Sounds like it should get fixed... 2. BTW this recommendation does not make my point wrong (eg that the current setting makes harder to keep conversations on the devel list) And

Re: Inappropriate use of private meetings lists. (reply to).

2008-07-02 Thread pgf
bert wrote: Am 02.07.2008 um 20:01 schrieb Dennis Gilmore: On Wednesday 02 July 2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote: Am 02.07.2008 um 19:33 schrieb Dennis Gilmore: by setting the replyto the list i wont get ccd on email when people reply to all because that is the easy way to make

Re: 8.2 Kernel status update

2008-07-04 Thread pgf
deepak wrote: On Jul 02 2008, at 10:16, Jim Gettys was caught saying: The other issue it would be nice to get fixed is the jffs2 full performance falling off the wall cliff, for which there is a patch that the Nokia folks have deployed. While in development we seldom run full,

Re: Reminder: Tuesday Release Wednesday Software Meetings -- 2:00 PM EDT, #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org

2008-07-08 Thread pgf
sameer wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sameer wrote: Ubuntu uses Gobby for its UDS (Ubuntu Developer Summit) meetings and it works quite well. perhaps they have a usage model (guidelines) that would be interesting to look at. Overall UDS participation

Re: 8.1 Kernel for touchpad testing

2008-07-10 Thread pgf
deepak wrote: I have built an RPM with the 2.6.22 kernel + driver backport that folks running = 703 can use for this purpose: http://dev.laptop.org/~dsaxena/kernel-2.6.22-20080710.1.olpc.0.i586.rpm See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Kernel#Installing_OLPC_kernel_RPMs for information

low power actions?

2008-07-11 Thread pgf
a thread on irc from last evening prompts me to ask: where can i find a description of how the laptop behaves (LED behavior, powerdown behavior, etc) as the battery gets low? brief searching led me to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Power_Management#Power_Management_Scenarios but this scenario

Re: low power actions?

2008-07-11 Thread pgf
smith wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a thread on irc from last evening prompts me to ask: where can i find a description of how the laptop behaves (LED behavior, powerdown behavior, etc) as the battery gets low? EC wise: The EC turns on the red led when it thinks the battery is

Re: low power actions?

2008-07-11 Thread pgf
chris wrote: Hi, my interest was piqued by someone on irc asking about automatic clean shutdowns for low power. i was wondering whether we do that, and whether we do earlier user warnings (your battery should be charged now in order to keep it healthy), or perhaps

Re: low power actions?

2008-07-11 Thread pgf
chris wrote: Hi, What would it take to put in a journaling filesystem? The j in jffs2 stands for journalling. to expand -- i believe the shutdown-inspired corruption people are worried about is not filesystem corruption, but application corruption -- if the activity doesn't

Re: Faster Launch of Activities

2008-07-14 Thread pgf
chris wrote: Hi, Let's get it on the roadmap for 9.1, when we've got time to actually make the fixes required and test them properly (unless someone really believes that speeding up sugar is a 4 line patch). I'd like to see an activity startup time comparison (just

Re: Code name for 9.1.0

2008-07-15 Thread pgf
morgan wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:56, Richard A. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg Smith wrote: Ideas so far. Please vote or propose a new one: Freire mango Papert I'm +1 for mango. I think naming after fruits plays well with calling our user environment

Re: Touch pad

2008-07-15 Thread pgf
david wrote: [Community News]The kernel team has backported the modifications to the older stable kernel so that it can be installed on builds 656 and 703. This allows our G1G1 users and deployment countries to install and test this new driver. Seeking advice on how to install

Re: Code name for 9.1.0

2008-07-15 Thread pgf
eben wrote: This is clever. - Eben but we need to keep at least one half of the name to one or two syllables though. i'm not looking forward to having to IRC about pummeling pomegranates. paul On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always

planet.l.o (was Re: B4 motherboard ...)

2008-07-15 Thread pgf
michael wrote: I really wish that people receiving developer machines posted to devel or planet.laptop.org on a regular basis and, if possible, introduced so, speaking of communication gaps, neither erikg nor i had ever heard of planet.laptop.org until this message. considering i've been

Re: Code name for 9.1.0

2008-07-17 Thread pgf
[ greg -- be sure fix the subject when replying to a digest. ] greg wrote: Hi Martin, We need keep that capability of upgrade from anywhere to anywhere if at all possible! That is a huge benefit for our customers and for our managing the scope of testing. Even if we can just

Re: Code name for 9.1.0 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

2008-07-19 Thread pgf
greg wrote: I know that downgrade is hard. The great thing is that the XO supports that very elegantly right now! I don't want to lose that. It saved me once when I upgraded to joyride image without a developer key (doh!) and was locked out. but don't confuse saving yourself

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread pgf
jim wrote: Ah, I like this idea better than the previous I've heard; if we can uninstall software or cleanup the journal with human intervention, that would be good I'm nervous about automatic cleanup schemes i agree that erik's proposal sounds attractive, since we'd have most or

Re: NAND Full Requirement

2008-07-22 Thread pgf
erik wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 04:01:35PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Hi All, Here's the requirement for Uruguay NAND full situation. I need this fixed ASAP. - The XO must always boot up to sugar including allowing access to the journal. That is no matter the

odd yum dependency issues in joyride

2008-07-25 Thread pgf
i've been slowly moving my g1g1 machine forward to joyride (from 656). i had customized it quite a bit, and am trying to restore those changes. i've got xfce running, but a couple of yum dependencies (which were fine with F7) are failing. to wit: # yum install gcc olpc_development

Re: odd yum dependency issues in joyride

2008-07-25 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've been slowly moving my g1g1 machine forward to joyride (from 656). i had customized it quite a bit, and am trying to restore those changes. i've got xfce running, but a couple of yum dependencies

Re: [RFC] Four solutions to NAND fillup

2008-07-25 Thread pgf
guylhem wrote: Hello A suggestion for similar problems, which I experienced in the past for other hardware. The /var tree is mostly used for logs and caches - stuff that could be discarded at reboot. And usually, there's a lof ot them (see with du -ksh) There are some

Re: odd yum dependency issues in joyride

2008-07-25 Thread pgf
martin wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 06:33:08PM +0200, NoiseEHC wrote: With 2181 this worked: yum install mc yum install make gcc I've been yum install'ing gcc after every olpc-update to joyride since about 1559, and have never had any problems. interesting. i wonder why

Re: Calling all small keyboards

2008-07-26 Thread pgf
as i mentioned to wad the other day, the fujitsu Poqet PC may also qualify as prior art. (a full IBM PC, and 100 hours on 2 AA batteries. what more could you ask for?) =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list

Re: New joyride build 2216

2008-07-26 Thread pgf
i think i saw the reason for this at some point, but why do some joyride announcements have changelog messages included, and some (like this one) do not? paul build announcer v2 wrote: http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2216 Changes in build 2216 from build: 2214

Re: TuxPaint woes

2008-07-28 Thread pgf
michael wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 08:56:47PM -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: But should it be up to the Activity developers (or in this case, those who first fitted the software to Sugar) to keep supporting their submission as the Sugar/operating_system platform keeps evolving ?

Re: TuxPaint woes

2008-07-29 Thread pgf
michael wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:26:28PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the obvious answers are that we need to commit to some level of continuing support for activities, What notion of support would you suggest? not breaking supplied interfaces without providing feedback to

Re: What is the best way

2008-07-30 Thread pgf
bert wrote: On 30.07.2008, at 14:16, Victor Lazzarini wrote: ... to connect the XO to a projector? Are there USB vga/etc cards known to work to with the XO? See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Remote_display the sisusbvga.ko module would be another module (along with a

suspend oddities

2008-07-30 Thread pgf
since i'm not sure which of these are known/expected/ alreadyfixed/beingignored, here are a few things i've noticed with suspend. i'll trac any that people think should, or comment existing trac if appropriate. disclaimer: some of this testing has been on my g1g1 machine, running 2159, XFCE

Re: suspend oddities

2008-07-30 Thread pgf
deepak wrote: On Jul 30 2008, at 14:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] was caught saying: since i'm not sure which of these are known/expected/ alreadyfixed/beingignored, here are a few things i've noticed with suspend. i'll trac any that people think should, or comment existing trac if

Re: suspend oddities

2008-07-30 Thread pgf
smith wrote: Deepak Saxena wrote: The gamekeys go through PS2 so I'm guessing the EC is queeing that event for us. I can reproduce the same sort of behaviour with by switching to console on the XO, sleeping via /sys/power/state on serial console, and then hitting a

Re: suspend oddities

2008-07-30 Thread pgf
talking with richard just now i realized that there's been a bit of disconnect, at least on my part, in understanding our current suspend design. i was complaining that keypresses were arriving while my machine was suspended. richard pointed out that it's meant to work that way. my use-case was

Re: Terminals

2008-07-31 Thread pgf
michael wrote: One of our present security difficulties is that the Terminal activity is not isolated. It is de-isolated so that it can serve the dual role of root terminal and 'general exploration' terminal. Perhaps reviving the Quake Terminal for the root-terminal role and isolating the

Re: Terminals

2008-08-01 Thread pgf
erik wrote: On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 11:03:39AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: numerous 'special keys' don't work at the console, including adjusting the screen brightness. To get this to work we would have to push olpc-specific drivers into the kernel, correct? not necessarily.

Re: odd yum dependency issues in joyride

2008-08-02 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've been slowly moving my g1g1 machine forward to joyride (from 656). i had customized it quite a bit, and am trying to restore those changes. i've got xfce running, but a couple of yum dependencies

Re: [sugar] Faster - how do I bypass look, ma - no hands ??

2008-08-04 Thread pgf
eben wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tried latest Faster -- is the small 'rodent' supposed to be cute ? ?? i believe mikus is referring to the XFCE, uh, mascot: http://www.xfce.org/images/about/screenshots/4.2-5.jpg

Re: kernel preemption

2008-08-07 Thread pgf
victor wrote: a question for the OS people: what is the level of preemption in the olpc supplied kernel? hi victor -- does this help? $ grep PREEMPT .config # CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE is not set # CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY is not set CONFIG_PREEMPT=y # CONFIG_PREEMPT_RCU is

Re: suspend on 'idle'

2008-08-07 Thread pgf
chris wrote: I think what you actually want is one of two things: * Not to suspend in the presence of any large network transfer. I think this would only be necessary for your ethernet case, since on wireless we're just going to be woken up by the next incoming

Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button

2008-08-08 Thread pgf
mikus wrote: This looks a *lot* like how an XO acts when Suspend is on. See if the power LED has gone off and just blinks occasionally -- that's how you really tell whether you are in suspend. Power LED on steadily = no suspend. Power LED off most of the time, blinking on =

Re: XO keeps staring at its own belly button

2008-08-08 Thread pgf
i wrote: mikus wrote: The sluggishness is not consistent. I particularly notice that at times, it can take more than three seconds before the XO responds to an alt-tab (after a period without any key presses). This XO has a background (nice 19) task running on it which

Re: Sound on the OLPC

2008-08-11 Thread pgf
hello shivaprasad: I am trying to port an application from a normal Fedora system to work on the XO. The application uses OSS API's which read and write to /dev/dsp to acheive sound functionality. While porting I found out that the XO does not have a /dev/dsp but has a single /dev/snd

Re: Sound on the OLPC

2008-08-11 Thread pgf
shivaprasad wrote: Thanks for the information. I did a modprobe snd-pcm-oss and everything started working perfectly well. Thank you very much. that's good news. i'm now curious as to why the module didn't get loaded automatically, but that's a different topic. paul Thanks

Re: inhibiting suspend via dbus

2008-08-11 Thread pgf
smith wrote: Deepak Saxena wrote: On Aug 09 2008, at 19:35, Mikus Grinbergs was caught saying: One possibility -- OFW already tests for is the XO plugged in?. Maybe Ohm can test for that, and decide that suspend is not needed when the battery is fully charged, and is not being

Re: Loading the OSS modules on the XO

2008-08-13 Thread pgf
shivaprasad wrote: Its OK if I need to have root permissions only once right? I can change the yes. /etc/modules/ once during installation of the activity and need not load the module every time I run the activity. I am new programming on Linux and wasnt sure what to change to make the

Re: Loading the OSS modules on the XO

2008-08-13 Thread pgf
jim wrote: I thought there was a library/shim/kernel option that allowed us to emulate OSS on ALSA? i think that's what snd-pcm-oss is. In any case, anything not using ALSA at this date really should get updated to ALSA - Jim On Wed,

Re: Loading the OSS modules on the XO

2008-08-13 Thread pgf
noah wrote: Why don't you fix the application instead of working around stupid deprecated nonsense? That seems like a better use of everyone's time. gee, that seems a little harsh. :-) i think the original poster made it clear that they're relatively new to linux/unix programming, and are

Re: #8041 HIGH 9.1.0: Sugar lacks a Trash/Recycle bin system

2008-08-20 Thread pgf
bastien wrote: Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But my point was that, at the moment, you can choose to Erase an item, and it's gone forever. I expect that many kids will do this, and will at some point regret erasing some item. Yes. This is a request that

Re: #8041 HIGH 9.1.0: Sugar lacks a Trash/Recycle bin system

2008-08-20 Thread pgf
bastien wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - no old-and-backed-up files we can safely remove? Prompt the user prompt the user, interrupting whatever they were trying to get done? that seems less than optimal. if my current UI-of-choice implemented disk full this way, i

Re: #8041 HIGH 9.1.0: Sugar lacks a Trash/Recycle bin system

2008-08-20 Thread pgf
eben wrote: ... I hope this clarifies my position on this subject a bit, and paints a it does. thank you. paul picture which is really just a different perspective on the usual trash can metaphor, rather than an abandonment of it. - Eben =- paul fox, [EMAIL

Re: Cerebro (was Re: Almost 50% less free memory in joyride-2302 compared with Update.1 (708))

2008-08-23 Thread pgf
ton van overbeek wrote: Also idle suspend is enabled again in 2325, while it should be off. i think this was intentional. now that we're building separate release (Subject: New release8.2 build 7nn) and joyride streams, idle suspend was re-enabled in joyride in order to help continue flushing

Re: Is it possible to boot alternative OS from an USB stick?

2008-08-24 Thread pgf
mitch wrote: Open Firmware can boot ELF binaries directly. Put your .elf file in the root directory on a USB key that is formatted with either a FAT filesystem (preferred) or an ext2 filesystem. Then, on an unsecured XO laptop, type: ok boot u:\myprogram.elf mitch -- where are

Re: olpc.fth and OFW api docs

2008-08-25 Thread pgf
mitch wrote: paul fox wrote: mitch wrote: Open Firmware can boot ELF binaries directly. Put your .elf file in the root directory on a USB key that is formatted with either a FAT filesystem (preferred) or an ext2 filesystem. Then, on an unsecured XO laptop, type:

Re: Is it possible to boot alternative OS from an USB stick?

2008-08-25 Thread pgf
hilaire wrote: Any pointer to what is OFW? I don't find it in the wiki. search for Open Firmware. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Open_Firmware paul =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: XO activity bundle .info format

2008-08-26 Thread pgf
bobby wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:56 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Undoubtedly people who are dbus developers understand the proper use of the organization_namespace. But suppose someone in a

Re: Power-on to GUI in 20 seconds

2008-08-29 Thread pgf
bert wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0fAUGRUDVA Brought to you by Gerardo Richarte, with bootstrapping help from Mitch Bradley. i can't resist pointing out that we could probably do that with linux too, if we weren't committed to using an off-the-shelf desktop distribution.

Re: Power-on to GUI in 20 seconds

2008-08-29 Thread pgf
bert wrote: Am 29.08.2008 um 15:34 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: bert wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0fAUGRUDVA Brought to you by Gerardo Richarte, with bootstrapping help from Mitch Bradley. i can't resist pointing out that we could probably do that with

browse and x11 performance

2008-09-03 Thread pgf
is there a bug open on this issue? i reverted a machine to joyride 2212, which, as indicated in #7787, was before pygame.mixer was lost, and then brought back. bounce works fine in that build -- performance and audio are very acceptable. there's still mouse cursor flicker, i think related to

Re: bounce and x11 performance

2008-09-03 Thread pgf
daniel wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 11:30 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there a bug open on this issue? i reverted a machine to joyride 2212, which, as indicated in #7787, was before pygame.mixer was lost, and then brought back. bounce works fine in that build --

Re: Google Chrome activity?

2008-09-03 Thread pgf
carol wrote: According to /. the license includes: *By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-09 Thread pgf
On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 00:10 -0400, Michael Stone wrote: - This means that we need to measure how our memory consumption profile has changed since our previous releases. (cscott observes that we were unable to attack the F-9 image size issues until we were able to

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-09 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: stability issue? AFAIK, we haven't seen OOM conditions without any activity open. Yes, we have. In particular, if you update your system and then leave it for a while, and later click the

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-09 Thread pgf
i wrote: i think there's definitely a sugar shell leak. here's some partial data, gathered from a few machines on my desk right now. (be careful with the column headings -- i rearranged partway through to get separate CODE and DATA columns.) (also, don't do an absolute compare

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-09 Thread pgf
tomeu wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (there are a lot of variables in play here -- the main thing is that something's certainly leaking.) The shell shouldn't be doing anything while idle, so checking if the trigger is activity network would help

Re: [sugar] wireless lights

2008-09-09 Thread pgf
mikus wrote: What would a concise and accurate definition of the wireless lights (for 8.2) be? To ordinary users, they are 'Meaningless eye candy'. They appear to not be 100% reliable if lit. They certainly are meaningless when blinking. They even appear to not be 100%

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-10 Thread pgf
tomeu wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:05 PM, James Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone got an idea of how to measure the heap by usage? Not from outside python, but from inside we are using heapy: http://guppy-pe.sourceforge.net/ i started down that path yesterday

Re: Expected date for 8.2.0

2008-09-10 Thread pgf
eben wrote: We removed that for two reasons. First, as an indicator it was actually really subtle; it didn't grab attention. Second, it effectively stripped the identity of the server itself, since each AP is identified by a pair of colors. Removing the stroke color made it unclear

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-09-10 Thread pgf
tomeu wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:37 PM, riccardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul, On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 08:18 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i started down that path yesterday afternoon, and realized that it wasn't clear to me how i needed to invoke it. it seems to want

Re: Scratch Sensor Board needs access to TTYUSB*

2008-09-11 Thread pgf
thanks -- filed as trac #8434. this is an issue for any USB serial adapter, not just the Scratch sensor board. paul john wrote: Hi, Jim. Claudia Urrea would like to get the Scratch Sensor Board working on the XO. There was a minor bug in the Scratch serial port support, which

Re: Getting a path to SUGAR_ACTVITY_ROOT

2008-09-11 Thread pgf
john -- scott's not in the office right now, so i'll take a stab at this. your code snippet looks fine, except for the typo in SUGAR_ACTVITY_ROOT. i hope that's all it is. paul john wrote: Hi, Scott. I wonder if you could give me a bit of guidance. The Scratch file dialogs have

Re: Scratch Sensor Board needs access to TTYUSB*

2008-09-12 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:50 PM, John Maloney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To use the Scratch Sensor Board or Pico Sensor Board (http://scratch.wik.is/Support/Sensor_Boards), you must add a file to the folder: /etc/udev/rules.d This file should contain

Re: Home

2008-09-12 Thread pgf
mikus wrote: I notice that Joyride on the XO no longer has a /root directory - just a link to a nonexistent place. Is that an intentional security change ? no, just a bug. paul =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel

Re: mechanisms tied to mesh: under a tree collab

2008-09-17 Thread pgf
benjamin m. schwartz wrote: The wired-ethernet case is already working, and has been for a year or more. Drop Sugar onto two Thinkpads connected to the same subnet, and they will instantly find each other over Avahi, etc. If it's a wireless network, or if you have XOs with ethernet

Re: [sugar] G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-18 Thread pgf
benjamin m. schwartz wrote: Chris Ball wrote: | So, we shipped 19 activities with G1G1v1; that means the ten activities | people vote for here are likely to be a subset of that list, and we | aren't learning much about what new things we should include. People | replying might decide to

Re: testing 8.2 using qemu

2008-09-18 Thread pgf
ton van overbeek wrote: Michael Stone wrote: Gabriel, To understand Rainbow, start by reading http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Security http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Low-level_Activity_API#Security http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rainbow or by asking people about it on IRC.

Re: G1G1v2 Activities

2008-09-18 Thread pgf
douglas wrote: Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps correcting http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_tutorial would help? Good point -- done, at least for host_version and bundle_id. As it happens the actually published HelloWorld

trac question: search with AND?

2008-09-20 Thread pgf
can i search for (the equivalent of) power AND external in trac? if not, can we change trac to _always_ do that, instead of an OR search? i can't remember the last time i actually wanted an OR search, whereas i almost always want an AND search. paul =- paul fox, [EMAIL

Re: trac question: search with AND?

2008-09-20 Thread pgf
noah wrote: On Sep 20, 2008, at 5:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can i search for (the equivalent of) power AND external in trac? if not, can we change trac to _always_ do that, instead of an OR search? i can't remember the last time i actually wanted an OR search, whereas i

Re: trac question: search with AND?

2008-09-20 Thread pgf
michael wrote: Paul, I think what Noah meant was that you would need to create a Trac Report. Read http://dev.laptop.org/wiki/TracReports for more info. but it's a bug, so i reported it as such. =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: trac question: search with AND?

2008-09-22 Thread pgf
this thread ended in the trac tickets, so to be sure no one was misled by my claims: it turns out i was completely mistaken (apparently from misreading some specific search results) about trac's search behavior. multiple search terms are indeed AND'ed together in the search, as one would expect

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Eduardo H. Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, so that's why you separate these legacy-hierarchical files with a light grey slash (/) . So that a kid who only knows the Journal tagging world can ignore it, and users who have know

Re: mechanisms tied to mesh: under a tree collab

2008-09-24 Thread pgf
chris wrote: Hi, i need to point out that ethernet dongles don't seem to play at all well with suspend/resume, so the scenarios that you describe may have worked well in the past, and may work well on first boot, or first device insertion, but will stop working

Re: 5 sec boot

2008-10-05 Thread pgf
mitch wrote: Deepak Saxena wrote: On Oct 04 2008, at 15:49, Mitch Bradley was caught saying: c) Raw FLASH read time maxes out at 20 MB/sec. But you don't get that speed from the filesystem; JFFS2 is good for between 5 and 10 MB/sec. Considering all the intricacies of

Re: 5 sec boot

2008-10-06 Thread pgf
mitch wrote: On a related topic, I would like to see us start bundling the initrd into the kernel image. It's certainly possible to do that with existing into? i'd rather see it simply concatenated, By into, I mean in the same file. The existing kernel mechanism

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-06 Thread pgf
mikus wrote: - First off, every Activity has a 'Name Field' in its top menu. When running any Activity, the user should enter there a short Title to identify the resulting Journal entry from all others. - Then, upon leaving that Activity, the user should reflect on what was

Re: [sugar] Sugar USB testing

2008-10-07 Thread pgf
marco pesenti gritti wrote: On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CCing the Sugar list. and adding devel. It seems that one of the problems we will be encountering with generic spins is footprint. Even a standard Ubuntu without Sugar was seeming

using synergy

2008-10-08 Thread pgf
as a follow-on to my use your XO more thread, here's a useful way of sharing your main system's keyboard and mouse (including copy and paste) with your XO, in a fairly natural way. these instructions assume a linux desktop machine, but you can do this with a mac or windows as well. see

Re: notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-10 Thread pgf
mikus wrote: Deniz wrote: ... I also think, since this is a significant investment for many people, referring to my original example of a teacher typing up a reading (from a book let's say, or a handout) on a regular computer s/he already has back home, and being able to transfer

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-10 Thread pgf
mikus wrote: Talking about copy-from-journal and copy-to-journal: can you provide a pointer to these scripts? Try 'which'. On my XO they're in /usr/bin. doh! i guess i don't use my XO as much as i thought! when you said written by users i assumed you meant you had obtained them from

Re: failures disabling security [was Re: journal is hard + sugar and the digital age]

2008-10-15 Thread pgf
erik wrote: On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 02:30:47PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 12:55:43PM -0400, Erik Garrison wrote: In particular, our security model has the effect of preventing work on this issue that isn't supported by all the core developers.

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