Re: 8.2.2 Beta-1 test request
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > The build is '802B1' -- find it at: > http://dev.laptop.org/~martin/8.2.2-betas/ I've installed 802B1 on a B4 XO-1. > =Touchpad= My XO-1 has 'ALPS' touchpad. I used to met the trouble of "kangaroo" when my fingers are humid. It seems that for this kernel does better that I haven't seen this syndrome. However, a smaller level of random jump still exist. The touchpad does move a bit slower, but a noticeable delay on the cursor movement is found. Fast movements are ignored. > = Kernel = Auto suspend doesn't work. I recall it's disabled for all B4 since some time ago. However, suspend does work pretty well on F11 builds. The only one should be turned off for B4 is DPMS off. (already disabled) > = Wireless: Associating to Access Points and debugging = > Fixed a bug where NetworkManager would -- in a % of connections -- not > realise that the process had succeeded. Side by side, 802B1 should The latest stable build sometimes failed to connect to an AP. I'm using WPA-TKIP. > = Startup / shutdown = When startup, mic remains on once driver loaded until HAL daemon starts. This is the same as last stable build. Shutdown is about the same as previous stable builds. > = Talk to the XS = Sorry no XS around. > = OS version = > The Sugar Control Panel should report the right version in 'About my > XO'. And the 'Update' control panel must check for new activities by > hitting a url ending in /8.2.2 (you might need a packet capture for > that, or point it to a server you manage, just to see the 404s...). Recode and measure activities works fine out of the box. > = Do the activities work? = > Try out the activities included. Did I break the OS so that any > activities are failing? -- Best regards, Yuan Chao ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 8.2.2 Beta-1 test request
On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 09:44:42AM -0500, Richard A. Smith wrote: > At the bottom of the page in the section marked "Large Jump Logging > Technique" there is a script. Consider the child though ... it can be quite fun for them to press the key just to get the beep, since it works no matter what activity is running, and it would be the only key that makes a noise. This results in more data than required. When I deployed this script to some children, I only told the adults and responsible children about it. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 8.2.2 Beta-1 test request
On 12/08/2009 05:39 PM, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: > 802B1 hasn't really helped there as very often the cursor now freezes > completely and even after waiting for 20 seconds or doing a manual > re-calibration I can't get it move more than a couple of centimeters. If > I understood the issues correctly 802B1 now simply disregards suspicious > looking data coming from the touchpad and it seems like that touchpad is > particularly affected so basically now data makes it through at all. > Anyone testing the touchpad issues: Please go here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Three_known_touchpad_issues At the bottom of the page in the section marked "Large Jump Logging Technique" there is a script. If you cut that script and then run it (as root) it will hook your Bulletin Board key (upper right next to frame) as a touchpad log hot key. When you think the touchpad is doing funky stuff or misbehaving then hit the key. Its snapshots the debug stream. When you are done testing please send richard and pgf (at laptop) copies of the dmseg.gz files it creates in /home/olpc. Thanks. -- Richard A. Smith One Laptop per Child ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 8.2.2 Beta-1 test request
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: I also installed 802B1 on one of my XO-1s today and played around with it for about an hour... =Touchpad= > Of the two XO-1s (both with the ALPS touchpad) I have around here I chose the one where the touchpad issues have been particularly annoying. In fact it was so bad that even after 5min of failed attempts I couldn't manage to even draw a single half-decent spiral in Paint on 802. 802B1 hasn't really helped there as very often the cursor now freezes completely and even after waiting for 20 seconds or doing a manual re-calibration I can't get it move more than a couple of centimeters. If I understood the issues correctly 802B1 now simply disregards suspicious looking data coming from the touchpad and it seems like that touchpad is particularly affected so basically now data makes it through at all. = Kernel = > Didn't run into any issues regarding suspend / resume. > = Wireless: Associating to Access Points and debugging = > I've had issues on 802 connecting to my WPA home-network every now and then and 802B1 seems a little more reliable there (but that's more of a gut feeling). = Startup / shutdown = > Yes, shutdown is definitely quite a bit faster compared to 802! > = OS version = > Works as advertised. = Update your Activities? = > > The "you must update your activities" dialog on first boot is gone! It > will only appear after a major upgrade (not a minor one). > Yep, the dialog was gone, updating a bunch of activities worked just fine. = Do the activities work? = > > Try out the activities included. Did I break the OS so that any > activities are failing? > With the pre-installed Record-59 I ran into lockup issues similar to what Gary has reported, the latest record (64 I believe) works fine. Measure-27 doesn't seem to do anything, I can't get it to display any input and after some random button clicks it tends to freeze so badly that only a Sugar restart helps. Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 8.2.2 Beta-1 test request
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Paul Fox-2 [via OLPC] wrote: > milan wrote: > > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Martin Langhoff > > <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > > With these changes, the touchpads should move a little bit slower, > > > have a bit more precision, and be a lot less 'jumpy'. In fact, when > > > they data gets jumpy, the driver ignores the data instead of jumping > > > wildly. > > > > > > Is the kangaroo mode gone? Is it more usable now? Are other effects > > > creeping in? > > > > I have ALPS touchpad. > > > > The mouse movement is perhaps a bit less jumpy then in old 802, but > > overall not very useable. There are times when it's ok (just slower > > then on the default 802 version), but there are times when it stops > > almost completely to respond to moving finger. Sometimes it has to be > > nudged 10 times to move the width or height of the screen. I cannot > > really tell why it is ok and why it starts behave like that. It comes > > and goes. Several times it moved slowly by itself. In a way it appears > > better when I do a continuos line draw (like when drawing spirals), > > but when using it in an application (does not seem to matter which > > app), and move the mouse quite a bit, it starts exhibit the "no > > respond" behavior. > > as with the old touchpad driver, the best thing to do when the > touchpad is behaving badly is to remove your finger from it for a > few seconds. it will usually detect the condition, and > recalibrate. the tricky part is that if your finger is still on > or very near the touchpad while the recalibration occurs, the > problem probably won't get better, and may get worse. > > it's very frustrating that the laptops have such a crippled input > device. all we can do in the driver is try and notice when things > "go bad", and make teh best of it, but we can't _prevent_ them > from going bad. yes i understand the hardware device is, well, quite bad... > > thanks very much for your testing. > > > > > > > > > Comparison test drawing spirals: > > > > > > - Grab 2 XOs with the same touchpad type, load the old stable 802 on > > > one, and my test build (802B1) on the other. If you only have one XO, > > > try one OS after the other... > > > > > > - Open Paint and draw spirals > > > > > > 1) try to keep it reasonably tight > > > 2) stop if you collide or get sloppy > > > 3) count the number of cycles > > > 4) try again N times > > > 5) use the average cycles as a measure > > > > well, I only have one XO 1 and did not go back to old 802. With 802b1, > > I typically managed to do about 5 spiral cycles before it drew into > > the previous line. But after changing brush size I got a completely > > unpredictable behavior (non-responding or jumpy) > > > > I can also tell that the right part of the pad is much less sensitive > > (going up and down on the right does not move the mouse), this seems a > > hardware issue i wonder what others see. > > when you say "right part of the pad", i assume your finger is still in > the middle section, and not all the way into the right section. yes, still in the middle section. the righmost 1/2cm of the middle section basically does not respond at all. I assume this is hardware, however, I will go back to old 802 and double check and report back if it behaves differently. . I have not noticed it explicitly before, but when I think about it, finger drawing large circles was always funny. > the right > and left sections will definitely not respond. if your finger is just > at the righthand edge of the middle section, then your touchpad may truly > be faulty. you can run a diagnostic: hold the "Check" gamepad key while > booting, and then hit ESC to get an "ok" prompt. then type "test /mouse". yes, thanks. I am pretty sure I ran test way in the past, and it was OK, but will try again. milan > > paul > =- > paul fox, [hidden email] > ___ > Devel mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > > > View message @ > http://n2.nabble.com/8-2-2-Beta-1-test-request-tp4112256p4127361.html > To unsubscribe from Re: 8.2.2 Beta-1 test request, click here. > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/8-2-2-Beta-1-test-request-tp4112256p4127517.html Sent from the Software development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 8.2.2 Beta-1 test request
milan wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Martin Langhoff > wrote: > > > > With these changes, the touchpads should move a little bit slower, > > have a bit more precision, and be a lot less 'jumpy'. In fact, when > > they data gets jumpy, the driver ignores the data instead of jumping > > wildly. > > > > Is the kangaroo mode gone? Is it more usable now? Are other effects > > creeping in? > > I have ALPS touchpad. > > The mouse movement is perhaps a bit less jumpy then in old 802, but > overall not very useable. There are times when it's ok (just slower > then on the default 802 version), but there are times when it stops > almost completely to respond to moving finger. Sometimes it has to be > nudged 10 times to move the width or height of the screen. I cannot > really tell why it is ok and why it starts behave like that. It comes > and goes. Several times it moved slowly by itself. In a way it appears > better when I do a continuos line draw (like when drawing spirals), > but when using it in an application (does not seem to matter which > app), and move the mouse quite a bit, it starts exhibit the "no > respond" behavior. as with the old touchpad driver, the best thing to do when the touchpad is behaving badly is to remove your finger from it for a few seconds. it will usually detect the condition, and recalibrate. the tricky part is that if your finger is still on or very near the touchpad while the recalibration occurs, the problem probably won't get better, and may get worse. it's very frustrating that the laptops have such a crippled input device. all we can do in the driver is try and notice when things "go bad", and make teh best of it, but we can't _prevent_ them from going bad. thanks very much for your testing. > > > > > Comparison test drawing spirals: > > > > - Grab 2 XOs with the same touchpad type, load the old stable 802 on > > one, and my test build (802B1) on the other. If you only have one XO, > > try one OS after the other... > > > > - Open Paint and draw spirals > > > >1) try to keep it reasonably tight > >2) stop if you collide or get sloppy > >3) count the number of cycles > >4) try again N times > >5) use the average cycles as a measure > > well, I only have one XO 1 and did not go back to old 802. With 802b1, > I typically managed to do about 5 spiral cycles before it drew into > the previous line. But after changing brush size I got a completely > unpredictable behavior (non-responding or jumpy) > > I can also tell that the right part of the pad is much less sensitive > (going up and down on the right does not move the mouse), this seems a > hardware issue i wonder what others see. when you say "right part of the pad", i assume your finger is still in the middle section, and not all the way into the right section. the right and left sections will definitely not respond. if your finger is just at the righthand edge of the middle section, then your touchpad may truly be faulty. you can run a diagnostic: hold the "Check" gamepad key while booting, and then hit ESC to get an "ok" prompt. then type "test /mouse". paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 8.2.2 Beta-1 test request
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 01:25 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > >> Curious: is there a trac bug # for this? I think stock Ubuntu >> hardy might have the same problem (or a related one)? > > I think this bug is a pet peeve of dsd's, so he might reply with more > details, but the sources I can find quickly are: Doing VT_ACTIVATE then VT_WAITACTIVE is susceptible to a race, if another process does VT_ACTIVATE to a different terminal inbetween those 2 calls then you're screwed. For example think of these 2 processes running at the same time: chvt 1, chvt 2 proc #1 proc #2 VT_ACTIVATE 1 VT_ACTIVATE 2 VT_WAITACTIVE 1 VT_WAITACTIVE 2 proc #2 will finish and you'll be on vt2, but proc #1 will wait and wait and wait. Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 8.2.2 Beta-1 test request
Hi, > Curious: is there a trac bug # for this? I think stock Ubuntu > hardy might have the same problem (or a related one)? I think this bug is a pet peeve of dsd's, so he might reply with more details, but the sources I can find quickly are: bug:http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7531 thread: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.laptop.olpc.devel/23585/focus=23607 code: http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:dmF2nkv9GL0J:www.brontes3d.com/opensource/dist/v1.2/overlay/sys-apps/kbd/files/kbd-1.12-chvt-userwait.patch+chvt+userwait&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=py&client=firefox-a - Chris. -- Chris Ball One Laptop Per Child ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 8.2.2 Beta-1 test request
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > = Startup / shutdown = > > Two bugs related to the shutdown process have been fixed. Rebooting > side-by-side, you should see 802B1 shutdown much faster, and never > hang in the switch to the "ul-warning" screen. > > If it ever hangs in the shutdown process, let me know... Curious: is there a trac bug # for this? I think stock Ubuntu hardy might have the same problem (or a related one)? --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 8.2.2 Beta-1 test request
Hi, I did some XO1.0 testing with 802 B1 yesterday and today. First I: - Show quoted text - - updated firmware to q2e41 (latest) - updated to 802 b1 from USB: - probe-usb copy-nand u:\xo1.0\os802b1.img Testing notes and observations inline On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Note! We are also testing the XO-1.5 builds, and hoping to make a > release Real Soon Now. If you have XO-1.5 hardware, help us test the > 1.5 builds. On the other hand, if you have XO-1s to test, I need help > with... > > The build is '802B1' -- find it at: > >http://dev.laptop.org/~martin/8.2.2-betas/ > > Filing bugs -- the bugs related to this release are tagged with > milestone '8.2.2'. Please set that milestone in any new bug you file, > or add your notes to the existing bugs: > http://dev.laptop.org/query?status=assigned&status=closed&status=new&status=reopened&order=status&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=type&col=priority&col=component&milestone=8.2.2 > > What's new? > > =Touchpad= > > The build has a rebuilt kernel with new touchpad drivers, and some > configuration tweaks. This is for both old 'ALPS' touchpads and new > 'Synaptics' touchpads. (Do mention which one you have!) > > With these changes, the touchpads should move a little bit slower, > have a bit more precision, and be a lot less 'jumpy'. In fact, when > they data gets jumpy, the driver ignores the data instead of jumping > wildly. > > Is the kangaroo mode gone? Is it more usable now? Are other effects > creeping in? I have ALPS touchpad. The mouse movement is perhaps a bit less jumpy then in old 802, but overall not very useable. There are times when it's ok (just slower then on the default 802 version), but there are times when it stops almost completely to respond to moving finger. Sometimes it has to be nudged 10 times to move the width or height of the screen. I cannot really tell why it is ok and why it starts behave like that. It comes and goes. Several times it moved slowly by itself. In a way it appears better when I do a continuos line draw (like when drawing spirals), but when using it in an application (does not seem to matter which app), and move the mouse quite a bit, it starts exhibit the "no respond" behavior. > > Comparison test drawing spirals: > > - Grab 2 XOs with the same touchpad type, load the old stable 802 on > one, and my test build (802B1) on the other. If you only have one XO, > try one OS after the other... > > - Open Paint and draw spirals > >1) try to keep it reasonably tight >2) stop if you collide or get sloppy >3) count the number of cycles >4) try again N times >5) use the average cycles as a measure well, I only have one XO 1 and did not go back to old 802. With 802b1, I typically managed to do about 5 spiral cycles before it drew into the previous line. But after changing brush size I got a completely unpredictable behavior (non-responding or jumpy) I can also tell that the right part of the pad is much less sensitive (going up and down on the right does not move the mouse), this seems a hardware issue i wonder what others see. Overall I think the old 802 cursor behaved a bit better, but I really need to go back to it and try again. It is hard to compare without having them side by side. > > Related > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9775 > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9773 > > > = Kernel = > > The kernel rebuild may have caused other issues. Any problems with > suspend/resume, wireless, freezes, I want to hear about them. This seems to work with no problems: Tried: closed lid 10sec wait , several minute wait, about 15 minute wait opened lid moved mouse activity came back. closed lid several times in quick order activity came back when opened and mouse moved. - Show quoted text - > > = Wireless: Associating to Access Points and debugging = > > Fixed a bug where NetworkManager would -- in a % of connections -- not > realise that the process had succeeded. Side by side, 802B1 should > connect successfully to an AP more often. > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8104 > > And now if you `touch /etc/NetworkManager/log-supplicant` and restart. > That same file is used as the logfile by wpa_supplicant. > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9715 > > = Startup / shutdown = > > Two bugs related to the shutdown process have been fixed. Rebooting > side-by-side, you should see 802B1 shutdown much faster, and never > hang in the switch to the "ul-warning" screen. > > If it ever hangs in the shutdown process, let me know... > > = Talk to the XS = > > Sugar now connects to gabble immediately after registration, no need > for a reboot - If you have an XS handy (hint: get the XS-on-XO image > on an SD card!), you can confirm this enhancement. > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9726 - > > You can run 'olpc-connections' in a terminal to see it switch from one > to the other right away. > > = OS version = > > The Sugar Control Panel should report the right version in 'About my > XO'. reports : Bu
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(hit sent too soon) Hi, I did some XO1.0 testing with 802 B1 yesterday and today. First I: - updated firmware to q2e41 (latest) - updated to 802 b1 from USB: - probe-usb copy-nand u:\xo1.0\os802b1.img Testing notes and observations inline On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Note! We are also testing the XO-1.5 builds, and hoping to make a > release Real Soon Now. If you have XO-1.5 hardware, help us test the > 1.5 builds. On the other hand, if you have XO-1s to test, I need help > with... > > The build is '802B1' -- find it at: > > http://dev.laptop.org/~martin/8.2.2-betas/ > > Filing bugs -- the bugs related to this release are tagged with > milestone '8.2.2'. Please set that milestone in any new bug you file, > or add your notes to the existing bugs: > http://dev.laptop.org/query?status=assigned&status=closed&status=new&status=reopened&order=status&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=type&col=priority&col=component&milestone=8.2.2 > > What's new? > > =Touchpad= > > The build has a rebuilt kernel with new touchpad drivers, and some > configuration tweaks. This is for both old 'ALPS' touchpads and new > 'Synaptics' touchpads. (Do mention which one you have!) > > With these changes, the touchpads should move a little bit slower, > have a bit more precision, and be a lot less 'jumpy'. In fact, when > they data gets jumpy, the driver ignores the data instead of jumping > wildly. > > Is the kangaroo mode gone? Is it more usable now? Are other effects creeping > in? I have ALPS touchpad. The mouse movement is perhaps a bit less jumpy then in old 802, but overall not very useable. There are times when it's ok (just slower then on the default 802 version), but there are times when it stops almost completely to respond to moving finger. Sometimes it has to be nudged 10 times to move the width or height of the screen. I cannot really tell why it is ok and why it starts behave like that. It comes and goes. Several times it moved slowly by itself. In a way it appears better when I do a continuos line draw (like when drawing spirals), but when using it in an application (does not seem to matter which app), and move the mouse quite a bit, it starts exhibit the "no respond" behavior. > > Comparison test drawing spirals: > > - Grab 2 XOs with the same touchpad type, load the old stable 802 on > one, and my test build (802B1) on the other. If you only have one XO, > try one OS after the other... > > - Open Paint and draw spirals > > 1) try to keep it reasonably tight > 2) stop if you collide or get sloppy > 3) count the number of cycles > 4) try again N times > 5) use the average cycles as a measure well, I only have one XO 1 and did not go back to old 802. With 802b1, I typically managed to do about 5 spiral cycles before it drew into the previous line. But after changing brush size I got a completely unpredictable behavior (non-responding or jumpy) I can also tell that the right part of the pad is much less sensitive (going up and down on the right does not move the mouse), this seems a hardware issue i wonder what others see. Overall I think the old 802 cursor behaved a bit better, but I really need to go back to it and try again. It is hard to compare without having them side by side. > > Related > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9775 > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9773 > > > = Kernel = > > The kernel rebuild may have caused other issues. Any problems with > suspend/resume, wireless, freezes, I want to hear about them. This seems to work with no problems: Tried: closed lid 10sec wait , several minute wait, about 15 minute wait opened lid moved mouse activity came back. closed lid several times in quick order activity came back when opened and mouse moved. > > = Wireless: Associating to Access Points and debugging = > > Fixed a bug where NetworkManager would -- in a % of connections -- not > realise that the process had succeeded. Side by side, 802B1 should > connect successfully to an AP more often. > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8104 > > And now if you `touch /etc/NetworkManager/log-supplicant` and restart. > That same file is used as the logfile by wpa_supplicant. > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9715 > > = Startup / shutdown = > > Two bugs related to the shutdown process have been fixed. Rebooting > side-by-side, you should see 802B1 shutdown much faster, and never > hang in the switch to the "ul-warning" screen. > > If it ever hangs in the shutdown process, let me know... > > = Talk to the XS = > > Sugar now connects to gabble immediately after registration, no need > for a reboot - If you have an XS handy (hint: get the XS-on-XO image > on an SD card!), you can confirm this enhancement. > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9726 - > > You can run 'olpc-connections' in a terminal to see it switch from one > to the other right away. > > = OS version = > > The Sugar Control Panel should report the right version in 'About my > XO'. And the 'Update' control panel mu
Re: 8.2.2 Beta-1 test request
Hi, I did some testing yesterday and today. First I: - updated firmware to q2e41 (latest) - updated to 802 b1 from USB: - probe-usb copy-nand u:\xo1.0\os802b1.img Testing notes and observations inline On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Note! We are also testing the XO-1.5 builds, and hoping to make a > release Real Soon Now. If you have XO-1.5 hardware, help us test the > 1.5 builds. On the other hand, if you have XO-1s to test, I need help > with... > > The build is '802B1' -- find it at: > > http://dev.laptop.org/~martin/8.2.2-betas/ > > Filing bugs -- the bugs related to this release are tagged with > milestone '8.2.2'. Please set that milestone in any new bug you file, > or add your notes to the existing bugs: > http://dev.laptop.org/query?status=assigned&status=closed&status=new&status=reopened&order=status&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=type&col=priority&col=component&milestone=8.2.2 > > What's new? > > =Touchpad= > > The build has a rebuilt kernel with new touchpad drivers, and some > configuration tweaks. This is for both old 'ALPS' touchpads and new > 'Synaptics' touchpads. (Do mention which one you have!) > > With these changes, the touchpads should move a little bit slower, > have a bit more precision, and be a lot less 'jumpy'. In fact, when > they data gets jumpy, the driver ignores the data instead of jumping > wildly. > > Is the kangaroo mode gone? Is it more usable now? Are other effects creeping > in? I have ALPS touchpad. The mouse movement is perhaps a bit less jumpy then in old 802, but overall not very useable. There are times when it's ok (just slower then on the default 802 version), but there are times when it stops almost completely to respond to moving finger. Sometimes it has to be nudged 10 times to move the width or height of the screen. I cannot really tell why it is ok and why it starts behave like that. It comes and goes. Several times it moved slowly by itself. In a way it appears better when I do a continuos line draw (like when drawing spirals), but when using it in an application (does not seem to matter which app), and move the mouse quite a bit, it starts exhibit the "no respond" behavior. > > Comparison test drawing spirals: > > - Grab 2 XOs with the same touchpad type, load the old stable 802 on > one, and my test build (802B1) on the other. If you only have one XO, > try one OS after the other... > > - Open Paint and draw spirals > > 1) try to keep it reasonably tight > 2) stop if you collide or get sloppy > 3) count the number of cycles > 4) try again N times > 5) use the average cycles as a measure well, I only have one XO 1 and did not go back to old 802. with 802b1, I typically managed to do about 5 spiral cycles before it drew into the previous line. But after changing brush size I got a completely unpredictable behavior (non-responding or jumpy) > > Related > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9775 > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9773 > > > = Kernel = > > The kernel rebuild may have caused other issues. Any problems with > suspend/resume, wireless, freezes, I want to hear about them. Tried: closed lid > > = Wireless: Associating to Access Points and debugging = > > Fixed a bug where NetworkManager would -- in a % of connections -- not > realise that the process had succeeded. Side by side, 802B1 should > connect successfully to an AP more often. > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8104 > > And now if you `touch /etc/NetworkManager/log-supplicant` and restart. > That same file is used as the logfile by wpa_supplicant. > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9715 > > = Startup / shutdown = > > Two bugs related to the shutdown process have been fixed. Rebooting > side-by-side, you should see 802B1 shutdown much faster, and never > hang in the switch to the "ul-warning" screen. > > If it ever hangs in the shutdown process, let me know... > > = Talk to the XS = > > Sugar now connects to gabble immediately after registration, no need > for a reboot - If you have an XS handy (hint: get the XS-on-XO image > on an SD card!), you can confirm this enhancement. > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9726 - > > You can run 'olpc-connections' in a terminal to see it switch from one > to the other right away. > > = OS version = > > The Sugar Control Panel should report the right version in 'About my > XO'. And the 'Update' control panel must check for new activities by > hitting a url ending in /8.2.2 (you might need a packet capture for > that, or point it to a server you manage, just to see the 404s...). > > = Update your Activities? = > > The "you must update your activities" dialog on first boot is gone! It > will only appear after a major upgrade (not a minor one). > > To test this, you can: install an older release (756 for example) and > then use olpc-update --usb to upgrade to 802B1. > > = Do the activities work? = > > Try out the activities included. Did I break the OS so that any > activities are failing? > > = Antitheft top
Re: 8.2.2 Beta-1 test request
Hi Martin, On 4 Dec 2009, at 12:34, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Note! We are also testing the XO-1.5 builds, and hoping to make a > release Real Soon Now. If you have XO-1.5 hardware, help us test the > 1.5 builds. On the other hand, if you have XO-1s to test, I need help > with... > > The build is '802B1' -- find it at: > >http://dev.laptop.org/~martin/8.2.2-betas/ > > Filing bugs -- the bugs related to this release are tagged with > milestone '8.2.2'. Please set that milestone in any new bug you file, > or add your notes to the existing bugs: > http://dev.laptop.org/query?status=assigned&status=closed&status=new&status=reopened&order=status&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=type&col=priority&col=component&milestone=8.2.2 > > What's new? > > =Touchpad= > > The build has a rebuilt kernel with new touchpad drivers, and some > configuration tweaks. This is for both old 'ALPS' touchpads and new > 'Synaptics' touchpads. (Do mention which one you have!) XO-1 with ALPC touchpad. > With these changes, the touchpads should move a little bit slower, > have a bit more precision, and be a lot less 'jumpy'. In fact, when > they data gets jumpy, the driver ignores the data instead of jumping > wildly. > > Is the kangaroo mode gone? Is it more usable now? Are other effects creeping > in? Still noticing loss of calibration during normal use. Mouse movement scaling seems _much_ higher than build 802 or F11-XO-1 build 8. > Comparison test drawing spirals: > > - Grab 2 XOs with the same touchpad type, load the old stable 802 on > one, and my test build (802B1) on the other. If you only have one XO, > try one OS after the other... > > - Open Paint and draw spirals > >1) try to keep it reasonably tight >2) stop if you collide or get sloppy >3) count the number of cycles >4) try again N times >5) use the average cycles as a measure > > Related > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9775 > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9773 I skipped about the versions to try and avoid influence of practice. - 802 results: 6, 5, 7, 8, 13, 16 == 9.2 mean (at least 1 clear/large cursor jump drawing line across screen) - 0.84.2 (F11-on-XO build 8) results: 11, 15, 15, 13, 13, 11 == 13.0 mean Mouse acceleration is much faster than above tests (perhaps x2) so hard to keep tight spirals and generate comparable measurements, but here's what I managed: - 802B1 results, Paint 23: 6, 11, 12, 9, 5, 7, 13, 16, 13 == 10.2 mean - 802B1 results, Paint 27: 9, 13, 9, 10, 15, 18 == 12.3 mean > = Kernel = > > The kernel rebuild may have caused other issues. Any problems with > suspend/resume, wireless, freezes, I want to hear about them. Automatic power management off by default, was this the same for the original 802? I know it's on by default for the F11-on-XO build 8). Also Jabberserver is blank by default, can't remember if this was also blank for the original 802. > = Wireless: Associating to Access Points and debugging = > > Fixed a bug where NetworkManager would -- in a % of connections -- not > realise that the process had succeeded. Side by side, 802B1 should > connect successfully to an AP more often. > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8104 FWIW, basic WEP testing here seems fine, same as before. > And now if you `touch /etc/NetworkManager/log-supplicant` and restart. > That same file is used as the logfile by wpa_supplicant. > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9715 > > = Startup / shutdown = > > Two bugs related to the shutdown process have been fixed. Rebooting > side-by-side, you should see 802B1 shutdown much faster, and never > hang in the switch to the "ul-warning" screen. > > If it ever hangs in the shutdown process, let me know... > > = Talk to the XS = > > Sugar now connects to gabble immediately after registration, no need > for a reboot - If you have an XS handy (hint: get the XS-on-XO image > on an SD card!), you can confirm this enhancement. > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9726 - > > You can run 'olpc-connections' in a terminal to see it switch from one > to the other right away. > > = OS version = > > The Sugar Control Panel should report the right version in 'About my > XO'. And the 'Update' control panel must check for new activities by > hitting a url ending in /8.2.2 (you might need a packet capture for > that, or point it to a server you manage, just to see the 404s...). > > = Update your Activities? = > > The "you must update your activities" dialog on first boot is gone! It > will only appear after a major upgrade (not a minor one). > > To test this, you can: install an older release (756 for example) and > then use olpc-update --usb to upgrade to 802B1. Bundled activities that are out of date according to OLPC wiki (41.8Mb worth): Distance-14 --> 17 Measure-24 --> 27 Moon-10 --> 11 Paint-23 --> 27 Pippy-30 --> 35 Record-59 --> 64 Speak-9 --> 11 TamTamEdit-50 --> 51 TamTamJam-51 --> 52 TamTamMini-49 --> 51 TamTamSynthLab-51 --> 52 TurtleArt-10 --> 70 (!!) Additional activity upgrad
Re: 8.2.2 Beta-1 test request
Thanks for details. I will test it this weekend. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:15 PM, milan zimmermann > wrote: >> Is this a request to test on XO1 only? Assuming the instructions are >> still here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Clean-install_procedure > > Yes, only for XO-1. And yes, that's the right set of instructions - > specifically > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Clean-install_procedure#Development_builds > >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Martin Langhoff >>> =Touchpad= >>> >>> The build has a rebuilt kernel with new touchpad drivers, and some >>> configuration tweaks. This is for both old 'ALPS' touchpads and new >>> 'Synaptics' touchpads. (Do mention which one you have!) >> >> How can I tell? > > - The ALPS touchpad extends almost all the width of the XO, and is > divided in 3 sections by lines drawn on the touchpad. Only the middle > section is active. Also - at boot time the laptop will report itself > as "CL1". > > - The Synaptics touchpad is about 2/3s of the width of the spacebar of > the XO. It has roughly 4:3 proportions, similar to most touchpads on > other laptops. At boot time, the laptop will report "CL1A". > >>> With these changes, the touchpads should move a little bit slower, >>> have a bit more precision, and be a lot less 'jumpy'. In fact, when >>> they data gets jumpy, the driver ignores the data instead of jumping >>> wildly. >>> >>> Is the kangaroo mode gone? Is it more usable now? Are other effects >>> creeping in? >> >> What is Kangaroo mode - do you mean a jumpy cursor ? > > Wildly jumpy cursor. Like a kangaroo. > >> Is XS the school server? > > Yes - > > >>> = Do the activities work? = >>> >>> Try out the activities included. Did I break the OS so that any >>> activities are failing? >> >> Do you mean test activites after what was done in the above section >> (=Update your Activites=), or simply test activities after clean >> install of http://dev.laptop.org/~martin/8.2.2-betas/ ? > > Right after the clean install. If you update activities, and that > grabs newer versions, it'll be interesting to hear whether they work > well (and what versions you've tested). > > cheers, > > > m > -- > martin.langh...@gmail.com > mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect > - ask interesting questions > - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first > - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 8.2.2 Beta-1 test request
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:15 PM, milan zimmermann wrote: > Is this a request to test on XO1 only? Assuming the instructions are > still here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Clean-install_procedure Yes, only for XO-1. And yes, that's the right set of instructions - specifically http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Clean-install_procedure#Development_builds > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Martin Langhoff >> =Touchpad= >> >> The build has a rebuilt kernel with new touchpad drivers, and some >> configuration tweaks. This is for both old 'ALPS' touchpads and new >> 'Synaptics' touchpads. (Do mention which one you have!) > > How can I tell? - The ALPS touchpad extends almost all the width of the XO, and is divided in 3 sections by lines drawn on the touchpad. Only the middle section is active. Also - at boot time the laptop will report itself as "CL1". - The Synaptics touchpad is about 2/3s of the width of the spacebar of the XO. It has roughly 4:3 proportions, similar to most touchpads on other laptops. At boot time, the laptop will report "CL1A". >> With these changes, the touchpads should move a little bit slower, >> have a bit more precision, and be a lot less 'jumpy'. In fact, when >> they data gets jumpy, the driver ignores the data instead of jumping >> wildly. >> >> Is the kangaroo mode gone? Is it more usable now? Are other effects creeping >> in? > > What is Kangaroo mode - do you mean a jumpy cursor ? Wildly jumpy cursor. Like a kangaroo. > Is XS the school server? Yes - >> = Do the activities work? = >> >> Try out the activities included. Did I break the OS so that any >> activities are failing? > > Do you mean test activites after what was done in the above section > (=Update your Activites=), or simply test activities after clean > install of http://dev.laptop.org/~martin/8.2.2-betas/ ? Right after the clean install. If you update activities, and that grabs newer versions, it'll be interesting to hear whether they work well (and what versions you've tested). cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Fwd: 8.2.2 Beta-1 test request
(forwarded, sorry I replied to author not list) Hi, Is this a request to test on XO1 only? Assuming the instructions are still here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Clean-install_procedure I have some questions inline about the things you are pointing out to test: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Note! We are also testing the XO-1.5 builds, and hoping to make a > release Real Soon Now. If you have XO-1.5 hardware, help us test the > 1.5 builds. On the other hand, if you have XO-1s to test, I need help > with... > > The build is '802B1' -- find it at: > > http://dev.laptop.org/~martin/8.2.2-betas/ > > Filing bugs -- the bugs related to this release are tagged with > milestone '8.2.2'. Please set that milestone in any new bug you file, > or add your notes to the existing bugs: > http://dev.laptop.org/query?status=assigned&status=closed&status=new&status=reopened&order=status&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=type&col=priority&col=component&milestone=8.2.2 > > What's new? > > =Touchpad= > > The build has a rebuilt kernel with new touchpad drivers, and some > configuration tweaks. This is for both old 'ALPS' touchpads and new > 'Synaptics' touchpads. (Do mention which one you have!) How can I tell? > > With these changes, the touchpads should move a little bit slower, > have a bit more precision, and be a lot less 'jumpy'. In fact, when > they data gets jumpy, the driver ignores the data instead of jumping > wildly. > > Is the kangaroo mode gone? Is it more usable now? Are other effects creeping > in? What is Kangaroo mode - do you mean a jumpy cursor ? > > Comparison test drawing spirals: > > - Grab 2 XOs with the same touchpad type, load the old stable 802 on > one, ok > and my test build (802B1) on the other. If you only have one XO, > try one OS after the other... > > - Open Paint and draw spirals > > 1) try to keep it reasonably tight > 2) stop if you collide or get sloppy > 3) count the number of cycles > 4) try again N times > 5) use the average cycles as a measure > > Related > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9775 > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9773 > > > = Kernel = > > The kernel rebuild may have caused other issues. Any problems with > suspend/resume, wireless, freezes, I want to hear about them. > > = Wireless: Associating to Access Points and debugging = > > Fixed a bug where NetworkManager would -- in a % of connections -- not > realise that the process had succeeded. Side by side, 802B1 should > connect successfully to an AP more often. > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8104 > > And now if you `touch /etc/NetworkManager/log-supplicant` and restart. > That same file is used as the logfile by wpa_supplicant. > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9715 > > = Startup / shutdown = > > Two bugs related to the shutdown process have been fixed. Rebooting > side-by-side, you should see 802B1 shutdown much faster, and never > hang in the switch to the "ul-warning" screen. > > If it ever hangs in the shutdown process, let me know... > > = Talk to the XS = > > Sugar now connects to gabble immediately after registration, no need > for a reboot - If you have an XS handy (hint: get the XS-on-XO image > on an SD card!), Is XS the school server? > you can confirm this enhancement. > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9726 - > > You can run 'olpc-connections' in a terminal to see it switch from one > to the other right away. > > = OS version = > > The Sugar Control Panel should report the right version in 'About my > XO'. And the 'Update' control panel must check for new activities by > hitting a url ending in /8.2.2 (you might need a packet capture for > that, or point it to a server you manage, just to see the 404s...). > > = Update your Activities? = > > The "you must update your activities" dialog on first boot is gone! It > will only appear after a major upgrade (not a minor one). > > To test this, you can: install an older release (756 for example) and > then use olpc-update --usb to upgrade to 802B1. > > = Do the activities work? = > > Try out the activities included. Did I break the OS so that any > activities are failing? Do you mean test activites after what was done in the above section (=Update your Activites=), or simply test activities after clean install of http://dev.laptop.org/~martin/8.2.2-betas/ ? Thanks, > > = Antitheft topics = > > There are several antitheft enhancements -- these are more involved to > test. If anyone is prepared to play with antitheft stuff, have a look > at the 2 README files in olpc-bios-crypto and ping me. > > cheers, > > > m > -- > martin.langh...@gmail.com > mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect > - ask interesting questions > - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first > - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > ___ De
8.2.2 Beta-1 test request
Note! We are also testing the XO-1.5 builds, and hoping to make a release Real Soon Now. If you have XO-1.5 hardware, help us test the 1.5 builds. On the other hand, if you have XO-1s to test, I need help with... The build is '802B1' -- find it at: http://dev.laptop.org/~martin/8.2.2-betas/ Filing bugs -- the bugs related to this release are tagged with milestone '8.2.2'. Please set that milestone in any new bug you file, or add your notes to the existing bugs: http://dev.laptop.org/query?status=assigned&status=closed&status=new&status=reopened&order=status&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=type&col=priority&col=component&milestone=8.2.2 What's new? =Touchpad= The build has a rebuilt kernel with new touchpad drivers, and some configuration tweaks. This is for both old 'ALPS' touchpads and new 'Synaptics' touchpads. (Do mention which one you have!) With these changes, the touchpads should move a little bit slower, have a bit more precision, and be a lot less 'jumpy'. In fact, when they data gets jumpy, the driver ignores the data instead of jumping wildly. Is the kangaroo mode gone? Is it more usable now? Are other effects creeping in? Comparison test drawing spirals: - Grab 2 XOs with the same touchpad type, load the old stable 802 on one, and my test build (802B1) on the other. If you only have one XO, try one OS after the other... - Open Paint and draw spirals 1) try to keep it reasonably tight 2) stop if you collide or get sloppy 3) count the number of cycles 4) try again N times 5) use the average cycles as a measure Related http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9775 http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9773 = Kernel = The kernel rebuild may have caused other issues. Any problems with suspend/resume, wireless, freezes, I want to hear about them. = Wireless: Associating to Access Points and debugging = Fixed a bug where NetworkManager would -- in a % of connections -- not realise that the process had succeeded. Side by side, 802B1 should connect successfully to an AP more often. http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8104 And now if you `touch /etc/NetworkManager/log-supplicant` and restart. That same file is used as the logfile by wpa_supplicant. http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9715 = Startup / shutdown = Two bugs related to the shutdown process have been fixed. Rebooting side-by-side, you should see 802B1 shutdown much faster, and never hang in the switch to the "ul-warning" screen. If it ever hangs in the shutdown process, let me know... = Talk to the XS = Sugar now connects to gabble immediately after registration, no need for a reboot - If you have an XS handy (hint: get the XS-on-XO image on an SD card!), you can confirm this enhancement. http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9726 - You can run 'olpc-connections' in a terminal to see it switch from one to the other right away. = OS version = The Sugar Control Panel should report the right version in 'About my XO'. And the 'Update' control panel must check for new activities by hitting a url ending in /8.2.2 (you might need a packet capture for that, or point it to a server you manage, just to see the 404s...). = Update your Activities? = The "you must update your activities" dialog on first boot is gone! It will only appear after a major upgrade (not a minor one). To test this, you can: install an older release (756 for example) and then use olpc-update --usb to upgrade to 802B1. = Do the activities work? = Try out the activities included. Did I break the OS so that any activities are failing? = Antitheft topics = There are several antitheft enhancements -- these are more involved to test. If anyone is prepared to play with antitheft stuff, have a look at the 2 README files in olpc-bios-crypto and ping me. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
