Re: OLPC/Marvell Press Release

2010-05-28 Thread Garrett Goebel 
Doubtless it would be painful... but...

openjdk _is_ open source.

Jython?



On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:21 AM, rihowa...@gmail.com
wrote:

> You are correct.  Android development is Java based.  It is based on a
> subset of Java functionality with the android API built on top of that.
>
> If you want a QT based environment look at Meego
> http://meego.com/developers.
>
>
> On May 28, 2010, at 7:20 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:
>
> > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:
> >> Putting some kittens at risk, it would be useful to have some analysis
> of
> >> both the work involved and potential benefits to an Android port, a Qt
> port,
> >> etc. I am not suggesting we divert our current efforts, as we are quite
> >> lean, but a better understanding of these options would be useful in
> >> defining our future roadmaps.
> >
> > Isn't Android application development Java based?
> >
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Re: OLPC/Marvell Press Release

2010-05-28 Thread Peter Robinson 
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Robert Howard  wrote:
> You are correct.  Android development is Java based.  It is based on a subset 
> of Java functionality with the android API built on top of that.
>
> If you want a QT based environment look at Meego http://meego.com/developers.

Having been working with MeeGo through Fedora I'm looking already at
what is needed to get sugar on the MeeGo platform. They also support
ARM as well. Watch this space over the coming weeks.

> On May 28, 2010, at 7:20 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:
>
>> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Walter Bender  
>> wrote:
>>> Putting some kittens at risk, it would be useful to have some analysis of
>>> both the work involved and potential benefits to an Android port, a Qt port,
>>> etc. I am not suggesting we divert our current efforts, as we are quite
>>> lean, but a better understanding of these options would be useful in
>>> defining our future roadmaps.
>>
>> Isn't Android application development Java based?
>>
>> Peter
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Re: OLPC/Marvell Press Release

2010-05-28 Thread rihowa...@gmail.com 
You are correct.  Android development is Java based.  It is based on a subset 
of Java functionality with the android API built on top of that.

If you want a QT based environment look at Meego http://meego.com/developers.


On May 28, 2010, at 7:20 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:

> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Walter Bender  
> wrote:
>> Putting some kittens at risk, it would be useful to have some analysis of
>> both the work involved and potential benefits to an Android port, a Qt port,
>> etc. I am not suggesting we divert our current efforts, as we are quite
>> lean, but a better understanding of these options would be useful in
>> defining our future roadmaps.
> 
> Isn't Android application development Java based?
> 
> Peter
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Re: OLPC/Marvell Press Release

2010-05-28 Thread Peter Robinson 
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Walter Bender  wrote:
> Putting some kittens at risk, it would be useful to have some analysis of
> both the work involved and potential benefits to an Android port, a Qt port,
> etc. I am not suggesting we divert our current efforts, as we are quite
> lean, but a better understanding of these options would be useful in
> defining our future roadmaps.

Isn't Android application development Java based?

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Re: OLPC/Marvell Press Release

2010-05-28 Thread Richard A. Smith 
On 05/28/2010 08:10 AM, Walter Bender wrote:
> Putting some kittens at risk, it would be useful to have some analysis
> of both the work involved and potential benefits to an Android port, a
> Qt port, etc. I am not suggesting we divert our current efforts, as we
> are quite lean, but a better understanding of these options would be
> useful in defining our future roadmaps.

If you port to Qt then for just a a little more effort you get android 
as well as there's a Qt-on-android in progress.

http://code.google.com/p/android-lighthouse/


-- 
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Re: OLPC/Marvell Press Release

2010-05-28 Thread Walter Bender 
Putting some kittens at risk, it would be useful to have some analysis of
both the work involved and potential benefits to an Android port, a Qt port,
etc. I am not suggesting we divert our current efforts, as we are quite
lean, but a better understanding of these options would be useful in
defining our future roadmaps.

-walter

2010/5/28 NoiseEHC 

>  It was already discussed to death on the mailing lists. (The threads
> derailed very fast so there was almost no discussion about important things
> like the feasibility of a future Sugar -> Android transition.)
>
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2009-June/015369.html
> http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2009-December/027058.html
>
> My advice is not to mention Android on these lists because every time
> somebody talks about Android, God kills a kitten, or something like that...
>   :)
>
>
> James Zaki wrote:
>
> On the tablet topic... I'm now wondering what it will take for the
> potential of Android developers to be harnessed? (Assuming it will be a good
> thing)
>
>
> Android Emerges as Big Rival to 
> iPad
>
> From the article...
>
> "Without applications, the device itself means nothing," said Barry Lam,
> chairman of the contract laptop manufacturer Quanta 
> ComputerInc.,
>  during a recent investor conference.
>
> Google's Android operating system, as it did in smartphones, is emerging as
> the most potent alternative to Apple's technology. "The tablet trend is
> clearly going toward Android," said Jack Kang, director of technical
> marketing for Marvell Technology 
> GroupLtd.
> ...
>
>
>
> Regards,
> James Zaki
>
>
> 2010/5/27 Ed McNierney 
>
>> Folks -
>>
>> Below is the text version of the press release OLPC and Marvell issued
>> this morning, announcing our agreement to work together on the tablet-based
>> efforts we've been calling "XO-3.0" and Marvell has been calling "Moby"
>> (both previously announced).  The link takes you to the same document with a
>> few pictures.
>>
>> We're just starting this cooperation, so there are things we don't know
>> yet, but the release pretty well covers what we do know.  I think it's
>> important to recognize that our goal with Marvell is to work with them to
>> make a family of tablet products possible, not all of which will be "OLPC"
>> products.  That's something new, and potentially confusing, but we think it
>> can really help us both broaden the community working with us, and help
>> drive our own product costs down by increasing volumes.
>>
>> In some of the press interviews around this release, there's discussion of
>> the goal of introducing something at CES 2011 (in January).  That's
>> important to Marvell, but that device will certainly not be an "XO-3.0" and
>> probably won't be an OLPC product at all.  But it's one of the steps along
>> the way.  Remember that this cooperation is intended to help our goals as
>> well as Marvell's goals, so some of the things announced from the
>> partnership won't be things directly pertinent to OLPC's product plans.
>>
>> As we've previously announced, our XO-1.75 product, bringing a Marvell
>> ARM-based motherboard to the current XO-1 laptop platform, is the next
>> product release in our efforts to provide ARM-based, lower-power devices to
>> achieve our mission.
>>
>>- Ed
>>
>>
>> http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/one-laptop-per-child-and-marvell-join-forces-to-redefine-tablet-computing-for-students-around-the-world-95007559.html
>>
>> One Laptop per Child and Marvell Join Students Around the World
>>
>> Marvell and OLPC Empower Education Industry to Revolutionize the Classroom
>> Experience through Advanced, Affordably-Priced Tablets
>>
>> CAMBRIDGE, Mass. and SANTA CLARA, Calif., May 27 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ --
>> One Laptop per Child (OLPC), a global organization whose mission is to help
>> provide every child in the world access to a modern education, and Marvell,
>> a worldwide leader in integrated silicon solutions, have agreed to jointly
>> develop a family of next-generation OLPC XO tablet computers based on the
>> Marvell® Moby reference design.  This new partnership will provide designs
>> and technologies to enable a range of new educational tablets, delivered by
>> OLPC and other education industry leaders, aimed at schools in both the U.S.
>> and developing markets. Marvell is also announcing today it has launched
>> Mobylize, a campaign aimed at improving technology adoption in America's
>> classrooms.
>>
>> The new family of XO tablets will incorporate elements and new
>> capabilities based on feedback from the nearly 2 million children and
>> families around the world who use the current XO laptop.  The XO tablet, for
>> example, will require approximately one wat

Re: OLPC/Marvell Press Release

2010-05-28 Thread NoiseEHC 
It was already discussed to death on the mailing lists. (The threads 
derailed very fast so there was almost no discussion about important 
things like the feasibility of a future Sugar -> Android transition.)


http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2009-June/015369.html
http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2009-December/027058.html

My advice is not to mention Android on these lists because every time 
somebody talks about Android, God kills a kitten, or something like 
that...   :)



James Zaki wrote:
On the tablet topic... I'm now wondering what it will take for the 
potential of Android developers to be harnessed? (Assuming it will be 
a good thing)



Android Emerges as Big Rival to iPad 



From the article...

"Without applications, the device itself means nothing," said Barry 
Lam, chairman of the contract laptop manufacturer Quanta Computer 
 
Inc., during a recent investor conference.


Google's Android operating system, as it did in smartphones, is 
emerging as the most potent alternative to Apple's technology. "The 
tablet trend is clearly going toward Android," said Jack Kang, 
director of technical marketing for Marvell Technology Group 
 Ltd.


...



Regards,
James Zaki


2010/5/27 Ed McNierney mailto:e...@laptop.org>>

Folks -

Below is the text version of the press release OLPC and Marvell
issued this morning, announcing our agreement to work together on
the tablet-based efforts we've been calling "XO-3.0" and Marvell
has been calling "Moby" (both previously announced).  The link
takes you to the same document with a few pictures.

We're just starting this cooperation, so there are things we don't
know yet, but the release pretty well covers what we do know.  I
think it's important to recognize that our goal with Marvell is to
work with them to make a family of tablet products possible, not
all of which will be "OLPC" products.  That's something new, and
potentially confusing, but we think it can really help us both
broaden the community working with us, and help drive our own
product costs down by increasing volumes.

In some of the press interviews around this release, there's
discussion of the goal of introducing something at CES 2011 (in
January).  That's important to Marvell, but that device will
certainly not be an "XO-3.0" and probably won't be an OLPC product
at all.  But it's one of the steps along the way.  Remember that
this cooperation is intended to help our goals as well as
Marvell's goals, so some of the things announced from the
partnership won't be things directly pertinent to OLPC's product
plans.

As we've previously announced, our XO-1.75 product, bringing a
Marvell ARM-based motherboard to the current XO-1 laptop platform,
is the next product release in our efforts to provide ARM-based,
lower-power devices to achieve our mission.

   - Ed


http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/one-laptop-per-child-and-marvell-join-forces-to-redefine-tablet-computing-for-students-around-the-world-95007559.html

One Laptop per Child and Marvell Join Students Around the World

Marvell and OLPC Empower Education Industry to Revolutionize the
Classroom Experience through Advanced, Affordably-Priced Tablets

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. and SANTA CLARA, Calif., May 27
/PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- One Laptop per Child (OLPC), a global
organization whose mission is to help provide every child in the
world access to a modern education, and Marvell, a worldwide
leader in integrated silicon solutions, have agreed to jointly
develop a family of next-generation OLPC XO tablet computers based
on the Marvell? Moby reference design.  This new partnership will
provide designs and technologies to enable a range of new
educational tablets, delivered by OLPC and other education
industry leaders, aimed at schools in both the U.S. and developing
markets. Marvell is also announcing today it has launched
Mobylize, a campaign aimed at improving technology adoption in
America's classrooms.

The new family of XO tablets will incorporate elements and new
capabilities based on feedback from the nearly 2 million children
and families around the world who use the current XO laptop.  The
XO tablet, for example, will require approximately one watt of
power to operate (compared to about 5 watts necessary for the
current XO laptop).  The XO tablet will also feature a
multi-lingual soft keyboard with touch feedback, enabling it to
serve millions more children who speak virtually any language
anywhere in the world.

The device is also decidedly "constructioni

Re: OLPC/Marvell Press Release

2010-05-28 Thread James Zaki 
On the tablet topic... I'm now wondering what it will take for the potential
of Android developers to be harnessed? (Assuming it will be a good thing)


Android Emerges as Big Rival to
iPad

>From the article...

"Without applications, the device itself means nothing," said Barry Lam,
chairman of the contract laptop manufacturer Quanta
ComputerInc.,
during a recent investor conference.

Google's Android operating system, as it did in smartphones, is emerging as
the most potent alternative to Apple's technology. "The tablet trend is
clearly going toward Android," said Jack Kang, director of technical
marketing for Marvell Technology
GroupLtd.
...



Regards,
James Zaki


2010/5/27 Ed McNierney 

> Folks -
>
> Below is the text version of the press release OLPC and Marvell issued this
> morning, announcing our agreement to work together on the tablet-based
> efforts we've been calling "XO-3.0" and Marvell has been calling "Moby"
> (both previously announced).  The link takes you to the same document with a
> few pictures.
>
> We're just starting this cooperation, so there are things we don't know
> yet, but the release pretty well covers what we do know.  I think it's
> important to recognize that our goal with Marvell is to work with them to
> make a family of tablet products possible, not all of which will be "OLPC"
> products.  That's something new, and potentially confusing, but we think it
> can really help us both broaden the community working with us, and help
> drive our own product costs down by increasing volumes.
>
> In some of the press interviews around this release, there's discussion of
> the goal of introducing something at CES 2011 (in January).  That's
> important to Marvell, but that device will certainly not be an "XO-3.0" and
> probably won't be an OLPC product at all.  But it's one of the steps along
> the way.  Remember that this cooperation is intended to help our goals as
> well as Marvell's goals, so some of the things announced from the
> partnership won't be things directly pertinent to OLPC's product plans.
>
> As we've previously announced, our XO-1.75 product, bringing a Marvell
> ARM-based motherboard to the current XO-1 laptop platform, is the next
> product release in our efforts to provide ARM-based, lower-power devices to
> achieve our mission.
>
>- Ed
>
>
> http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/one-laptop-per-child-and-marvell-join-forces-to-redefine-tablet-computing-for-students-around-the-world-95007559.html
>
> One Laptop per Child and Marvell Join Students Around the World
>
> Marvell and OLPC Empower Education Industry to Revolutionize the Classroom
> Experience through Advanced, Affordably-Priced Tablets
>
> CAMBRIDGE, Mass. and SANTA CLARA, Calif., May 27 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ --
> One Laptop per Child (OLPC), a global organization whose mission is to help
> provide every child in the world access to a modern education, and Marvell,
> a worldwide leader in integrated silicon solutions, have agreed to jointly
> develop a family of next-generation OLPC XO tablet computers based on the
> Marvell® Moby reference design.  This new partnership will provide designs
> and technologies to enable a range of new educational tablets, delivered by
> OLPC and other education industry leaders, aimed at schools in both the U.S.
> and developing markets. Marvell is also announcing today it has launched
> Mobylize, a campaign aimed at improving technology adoption in America's
> classrooms.
>
> The new family of XO tablets will incorporate elements and new capabilities
> based on feedback from the nearly 2 million children and families around the
> world who use the current XO laptop.  The XO tablet, for example, will
> require approximately one watt of power to operate (compared to about 5
> watts necessary for the current XO laptop).  The XO tablet will also feature
> a multi-lingual soft keyboard with touch feedback, enabling it to serve
> millions more children who speak virtually any language anywhere in the
> world.
>
> The device is also decidedly "constructionist" in nature.  By design, it
> combines hardware and software to deliver a platform that will enable
> educators, students and families around the world to create their own
> content, and learn to read, write, and create their own education programs
> and share all of these experiences via a mesh network model.  The device
> will also feature an application to directly access more than 2 million free
> books available across the Internet.
>
> "While devices like eReaders and current tablets are terrific literary,
> media and entertainment platforms, they don't meet the needs of an
> educational model based on making things, versus just consuming them.
>  Today's lea

Re: OLPC/Marvell Press Release

2010-05-27 Thread Samuel Klein 
For reference, please point people to our blog post on the subject,
which offers some context and clarifies the various soundbytes that
are being tossed around (which get confused about models and
timelines).

http://blog.laptop.org/2010/05/27/xo3-marvell-and-olpc/

(Ed, feel free to correct anything in that post with the wrong overtones.)

Cheers,
SJ


On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Ed McNierney  wrote:
> Folks -
>
> Below is the text version of the press release OLPC and Marvell issued this 
> morning, announcing our agreement to work together on the tablet-based 
> efforts we've been calling "XO-3.0" and Marvell has been calling "Moby" (both 
> previously announced).  The link takes you to the same document with a few 
> pictures.
>
> We're just starting this cooperation, so there are things we don't know yet, 
> but the release pretty well covers what we do know.  I think it's important 
> to recognize that our goal with Marvell is to work with them to make a family 
> of tablet products possible, not all of which will be "OLPC" products.  
> That's something new, and potentially confusing, but we think it can really 
> help us both broaden the community working with us, and help drive our own 
> product costs down by increasing volumes.
>
> In some of the press interviews around this release, there's discussion of 
> the goal of introducing something at CES 2011 (in January).  That's important 
> to Marvell, but that device will certainly not be an "XO-3.0" and probably 
> won't be an OLPC product at all.  But it's one of the steps along the way.  
> Remember that this cooperation is intended to help our goals as well as 
> Marvell's goals, so some of the things announced from the partnership won't 
> be things directly pertinent to OLPC's product plans.
>
> As we've previously announced, our XO-1.75 product, bringing a Marvell 
> ARM-based motherboard to the current XO-1 laptop platform, is the next 
> product release in our efforts to provide ARM-based, lower-power devices to 
> achieve our mission.
>
>        - Ed
>
> http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/one-laptop-per-child-and-marvell-join-forces-to-redefine-tablet-computing-for-students-around-the-world-95007559.html
>
> One Laptop per Child and Marvell Join Students Around the World
>
> Marvell and OLPC Empower Education Industry to Revolutionize the Classroom 
> Experience through Advanced, Affordably-Priced Tablets
>
> CAMBRIDGE, Mass. and SANTA CLARA, Calif., May 27 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- 
> One Laptop per Child (OLPC), a global organization whose mission is to help 
> provide every child in the world access to a modern education, and Marvell, a 
> worldwide leader in integrated silicon solutions, have agreed to jointly 
> develop a family of next-generation OLPC XO tablet computers based on the 
> Marvell® Moby reference design.  This new partnership will provide designs 
> and technologies to enable a range of new educational tablets, delivered by 
> OLPC and other education industry leaders, aimed at schools in both the U.S. 
> and developing markets. Marvell is also announcing today it has launched 
> Mobylize, a campaign aimed at improving technology adoption in America's 
> classrooms.
>
> The new family of XO tablets will incorporate elements and new capabilities 
> based on feedback from the nearly 2 million children and families around the 
> world who use the current XO laptop.  The XO tablet, for example, will 
> require approximately one watt of power to operate (compared to about 5 watts 
> necessary for the current XO laptop).  The XO tablet will also feature a 
> multi-lingual soft keyboard with touch feedback, enabling it to serve 
> millions more children who speak virtually any language anywhere in the world.
>
> The device is also decidedly "constructionist" in nature.  By design, it 
> combines hardware and software to deliver a platform that will enable 
> educators, students and families around the world to create their own 
> content, and learn to read, write, and create their own education programs 
> and share all of these experiences via a mesh network model.  The device will 
> also feature an application to directly access more than 2 million free books 
> available across the Internet.
>
> "While devices like eReaders and current tablets are terrific literary, media 
> and entertainment platforms, they don't meet the needs of an educational 
> model based on making things, versus just consuming them.  Today's learning 
> environments require robust platforms for computation, content creation and 
> experimentation – and all that at a very low cost," said Dr. Nicholas 
> Negroponte, Founder and Chairman of One Laptop per Child.  "Through our 
> partnership with Marvell, OLPC will continue our focus on designing computers 
> that enable children in the developing world to learn through collaboration, 
> as well as providing connectivity to the world's body of knowledge."
>
> "Marvell has made a long-term co

OLPC/Marvell Press Release

2010-05-27 Thread Ed McNierney 
Folks -

Below is the text version of the press release OLPC and Marvell issued this 
morning, announcing our agreement to work together on the tablet-based efforts 
we've been calling "XO-3.0" and Marvell has been calling "Moby" (both 
previously announced).  The link takes you to the same document with a few 
pictures.

We're just starting this cooperation, so there are things we don't know yet, 
but the release pretty well covers what we do know.  I think it's important to 
recognize that our goal with Marvell is to work with them to make a family of 
tablet products possible, not all of which will be "OLPC" products.  That's 
something new, and potentially confusing, but we think it can really help us 
both broaden the community working with us, and help drive our own product 
costs down by increasing volumes.

In some of the press interviews around this release, there's discussion of the 
goal of introducing something at CES 2011 (in January).  That's important to 
Marvell, but that device will certainly not be an "XO-3.0" and probably won't 
be an OLPC product at all.  But it's one of the steps along the way.  Remember 
that this cooperation is intended to help our goals as well as Marvell's goals, 
so some of the things announced from the partnership won't be things directly 
pertinent to OLPC's product plans.

As we've previously announced, our XO-1.75 product, bringing a Marvell 
ARM-based motherboard to the current XO-1 laptop platform, is the next product 
release in our efforts to provide ARM-based, lower-power devices to achieve our 
mission.

- Ed

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/one-laptop-per-child-and-marvell-join-forces-to-redefine-tablet-computing-for-students-around-the-world-95007559.html

One Laptop per Child and Marvell Join Students Around the World
 
Marvell and OLPC Empower Education Industry to Revolutionize the Classroom 
Experience through Advanced, Affordably-Priced Tablets

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. and SANTA CLARA, Calif., May 27 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- One 
Laptop per Child (OLPC), a global organization whose mission is to help provide 
every child in the world access to a modern education, and Marvell, a worldwide 
leader in integrated silicon solutions, have agreed to jointly develop a family 
of next-generation OLPC XO tablet computers based on the Marvell® Moby 
reference design.  This new partnership will provide designs and technologies 
to enable a range of new educational tablets, delivered by OLPC and other 
education industry leaders, aimed at schools in both the U.S. and developing 
markets. Marvell is also announcing today it has launched Mobylize, a campaign 
aimed at improving technology adoption in America's classrooms.  

The new family of XO tablets will incorporate elements and new capabilities 
based on feedback from the nearly 2 million children and families around the 
world who use the current XO laptop.  The XO tablet, for example, will require 
approximately one watt of power to operate (compared to about 5 watts necessary 
for the current XO laptop).  The XO tablet will also feature a multi-lingual 
soft keyboard with touch feedback, enabling it to serve millions more children 
who speak virtually any language anywhere in the world.  

The device is also decidedly "constructionist" in nature.  By design, it 
combines hardware and software to deliver a platform that will enable 
educators, students and families around the world to create their own content, 
and learn to read, write, and create their own education programs and share all 
of these experiences via a mesh network model.  The device will also feature an 
application to directly access more than 2 million free books available across 
the Internet.

"While devices like eReaders and current tablets are terrific literary, media 
and entertainment platforms, they don't meet the needs of an educational model 
based on making things, versus just consuming them.  Today's learning 
environments require robust platforms for computation, content creation and 
experimentation – and all that at a very low cost," said Dr. Nicholas 
Negroponte, Founder and Chairman of One Laptop per Child.  "Through our 
partnership with Marvell, OLPC will continue our focus on designing computers 
that enable children in the developing world to learn through collaboration, as 
well as providing connectivity to the world's body of knowledge."

"Marvell has made a long-term commitment to improving education and inspiring a 
revolution in the application of technology in the classroom.  The Moby tablet 
platform – and our partnership with OLPC – represents our joint passion and 
commitment to give students the power to learn, create, connect and collaborate 
in entirely new ways," said Weili Dai, Marvell's Co-founder and Vice President 
and General Manager of the Consumer and Computing Business Unit.  "Marvell's 
cutting edge technology – including live content, high quality video (1080p 
full-HD encode and decod