Re: XO Problems (4 Problems)
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 08:55:54PM -0600, Anna wrote: > On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 12:53 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > IIRC startup volume is persistent, but I can't remember how it is > > adjusted. > > Oh, this was one of the more common questions I used to get from > teachers here in Birmingham. The startup tones were extremely > distracting in the classroom. Prepare a USB drive for your teachers to disable the sound: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Startup_sound#Can_we_disable_it_for_a_classroom.3F > I just tested this on my XO4 to make sure the process is the same as > it was on the XO-1. Yes, it is the same across XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75 and XO-4. > Start with the XO4 powered off. Locate and hover your finger over > F11 (the volume down key) and get ready. Power on. While (or even > before, it doesn't hurt anything) you hear the tones, press F11 > repeatedly until the volume level is satisfactory. To raise the > volume back up, it's the same process but with F12 (volume up). You can also hold a volume key down after turning the laptop on, and it will repeat. You can use this on any random XO you pick up to avoid the startup sound almost entirely. > I think at this point some of us have technically heard The Edge's > guitar playing more than a lot of U2 fans. Yes, during OLPC conference calls and team meetings having some participant reboot an XO repeatedly was very distracting. ;-) Sick of U2? You can now change the startup sound. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Startup_sound#Can_we_use_another_sound.3F -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO Problems (4 Problems)
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 12:53 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: IIRC startup volume is persistent, but I can't remember how it is adjusted. Oh, this was one of the more common questions I used to get from teachers here in Birmingham. The startup tones were extremely distracting in the classroom. I just tested this on my XO4 to make sure the process is the same as it was on the XO-1. Start with the XO4 powered off. Locate and hover your finger over F11 (the volume down key) and get ready. Power on. While (or even before, it doesn't hurt anything) you hear the tones, press F11 repeatedly until the volume level is satisfactory. To raise the volume back up, it's the same process but with F12 (volume up). I think at this point some of us have technically heard The Edge's guitar playing more than a lot of U2 fans. Anna ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: XO Problems (4 Problems)
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 5:00 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > Thanks! I forwarded everyone's responses on to Douglas, with pithy > descriptions of who you all are and the exciting things you do and > countries you live in, to give him a taste of the broader OLPC > community. I'll probably install the latest image on his machine in > the next few weeks, and I'll let you know if we find any issues (or > maybe I'll teach him to report them himself!). > > Walter, let me know if you ever do any Boston-area SugarLabs > activities, he's reached the age where he'd be an enthusiastic > participant. (Although not a Python coder yet, he's mastering Scratch > first.) We may do a Turtle Art Day in Boston soon. (There is a new TA feature: export to Python. From there you import into Pippy and from there, you can export to a Sugar activity...) regards -walter > --scott > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:53 PM, James Cameron wrote: >> G'day Scott, >> >> There have been no significant changes to the hardware support since >> the 13.2.0 release, although Daniel Drake has contributed some fixes >> I've seen in the various git repositories. >> >> Firmware fixes yet to be included in a release are: >> >> - a fix for erroneous low-battery power downs that may occur between >> the time the runin tests are used and when power cable and battery >> are removed for shipping, (released as XO-4 EC 0.4.11), >> >> - a minor fix for ntp-set-clock, relevant only for deployments who >> plan to use NTP in their firmware boot script or USB drives, (not >> released, but is in repository), >> >> - a fix for four game key reflash over HTTP, relevant only for >> deployments who plan to use a reinstall image available over >> wireless; e.g. short range 802.11n dongles attached to a server, >> (not released, but is in repository), >> >> I've been working on a fix for the #12694 hang of the XO-4 mwifiex >> wireless driver that may occur when a laptop experiences heavy demand >> for memory at the same time as a large download. I'm not ready for >> wider testing yet. >> >> Gonzalo and Walter are working on a deployment image, in a different >> version number namespace, for which they have used the number 13.3.0, >> in which most of the change is in Sugar and activities. It is based >> on 13.2.0 hardware support. >> >> One of the Sugar changes might be considered hardware support; >> compatibility with WPA Enterprise and hidden SSID access points. >> There might be others, I haven't checked. >> >> There are no hardware changes that I'm aware of in the manufacturing >> pipeline, so no new hardware support needed yet. >> >> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:59:59AM -0500, C. Scott Ananian wrote: >>> A related question. I'll try to phrase this delicately -- what's the >>> relationship between Walter's "Sugar 100" build and the latest OLPC >>> kernel? Can I safely assume that SugarLabs is the current keeper of >>> the flame and has all the latest hardware-support bits (I hope so!). >>> Gonzalo pointed me to a different build. Can someone explain the >>> different sources of bits and development to me? >>> --scott >> >> -- >> James Cameron >> http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > > > > -- > ( http://cscott.net/ ) > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: XO Problems (4 Problems)
Thanks! I forwarded everyone's responses on to Douglas, with pithy descriptions of who you all are and the exciting things you do and countries you live in, to give him a taste of the broader OLPC community. I'll probably install the latest image on his machine in the next few weeks, and I'll let you know if we find any issues (or maybe I'll teach him to report them himself!). Walter, let me know if you ever do any Boston-area SugarLabs activities, he's reached the age where he'd be an enthusiastic participant. (Although not a Python coder yet, he's mastering Scratch first.) --scott On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:53 PM, James Cameron wrote: > G'day Scott, > > There have been no significant changes to the hardware support since > the 13.2.0 release, although Daniel Drake has contributed some fixes > I've seen in the various git repositories. > > Firmware fixes yet to be included in a release are: > > - a fix for erroneous low-battery power downs that may occur between > the time the runin tests are used and when power cable and battery > are removed for shipping, (released as XO-4 EC 0.4.11), > > - a minor fix for ntp-set-clock, relevant only for deployments who > plan to use NTP in their firmware boot script or USB drives, (not > released, but is in repository), > > - a fix for four game key reflash over HTTP, relevant only for > deployments who plan to use a reinstall image available over > wireless; e.g. short range 802.11n dongles attached to a server, > (not released, but is in repository), > > I've been working on a fix for the #12694 hang of the XO-4 mwifiex > wireless driver that may occur when a laptop experiences heavy demand > for memory at the same time as a large download. I'm not ready for > wider testing yet. > > Gonzalo and Walter are working on a deployment image, in a different > version number namespace, for which they have used the number 13.3.0, > in which most of the change is in Sugar and activities. It is based > on 13.2.0 hardware support. > > One of the Sugar changes might be considered hardware support; > compatibility with WPA Enterprise and hidden SSID access points. > There might be others, I haven't checked. > > There are no hardware changes that I'm aware of in the manufacturing > pipeline, so no new hardware support needed yet. > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:59:59AM -0500, C. Scott Ananian wrote: >> A related question. I'll try to phrase this delicately -- what's the >> relationship between Walter's "Sugar 100" build and the latest OLPC >> kernel? Can I safely assume that SugarLabs is the current keeper of >> the flame and has all the latest hardware-support bits (I hope so!). >> Gonzalo pointed me to a different build. Can someone explain the >> different sources of bits and development to me? >> --scott > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: XO Problems (4 Problems)
G'day Scott, There have been no significant changes to the hardware support since the 13.2.0 release, although Daniel Drake has contributed some fixes I've seen in the various git repositories. Firmware fixes yet to be included in a release are: - a fix for erroneous low-battery power downs that may occur between the time the runin tests are used and when power cable and battery are removed for shipping, (released as XO-4 EC 0.4.11), - a minor fix for ntp-set-clock, relevant only for deployments who plan to use NTP in their firmware boot script or USB drives, (not released, but is in repository), - a fix for four game key reflash over HTTP, relevant only for deployments who plan to use a reinstall image available over wireless; e.g. short range 802.11n dongles attached to a server, (not released, but is in repository), I've been working on a fix for the #12694 hang of the XO-4 mwifiex wireless driver that may occur when a laptop experiences heavy demand for memory at the same time as a large download. I'm not ready for wider testing yet. Gonzalo and Walter are working on a deployment image, in a different version number namespace, for which they have used the number 13.3.0, in which most of the change is in Sugar and activities. It is based on 13.2.0 hardware support. One of the Sugar changes might be considered hardware support; compatibility with WPA Enterprise and hidden SSID access points. There might be others, I haven't checked. There are no hardware changes that I'm aware of in the manufacturing pipeline, so no new hardware support needed yet. On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:59:59AM -0500, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > A related question. I'll try to phrase this delicately -- what's the > relationship between Walter's "Sugar 100" build and the latest OLPC > kernel? Can I safely assume that SugarLabs is the current keeper of > the flame and has all the latest hardware-support bits (I hope so!). > Gonzalo pointed me to a different build. Can someone explain the > different sources of bits and development to me? > --scott -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO Problems (4 Problems)
Our latest builds (Walter and me pointed to the same) are based on Fedora 18, as 13.2.0, and only have the sugar 0.100 rpms, and a few other updates from dsd. Sadly, we don't have resources to work in the low level stuff, then we didn't moved to newer Fedora releases. Gonzalo On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > As far as I know these are based on the latest OLPC builds (and kernel). > Only the sugar packages are updated, see the wiki page Walter linked. > Gonzalo just linked the XO4 build linked from Walter's page. > > > On Monday, 25 November 2013, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > >> A related question. I'll try to phrase this delicately -- what's the >> relationship between Walter's "Sugar 100" build and the latest OLPC >> kernel? Can I safely assume that SugarLabs is the current keeper of >> the flame and has all the latest hardware-support bits (I hope so!). >> Gonzalo pointed me to a different build. Can someone explain the >> different sources of bits and development to me? >> --scott >> ___ >> Devel mailing list >> Devel@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel >> > > > -- > Daniel Narvaez > > > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO Problems (4 Problems)
As far as I know these are based on the latest OLPC builds (and kernel). Only the sugar packages are updated, see the wiki page Walter linked. Gonzalo just linked the XO4 build linked from Walter's page. On Monday, 25 November 2013, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > A related question. I'll try to phrase this delicately -- what's the > relationship between Walter's "Sugar 100" build and the latest OLPC > kernel? Can I safely assume that SugarLabs is the current keeper of > the flame and has all the latest hardware-support bits (I hope so!). > Gonzalo pointed me to a different build. Can someone explain the > different sources of bits and development to me? > --scott > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: XO Problems (4 Problems)
A related question. I'll try to phrase this delicately -- what's the relationship between Walter's "Sugar 100" build and the latest OLPC kernel? Can I safely assume that SugarLabs is the current keeper of the flame and has all the latest hardware-support bits (I hope so!). Gonzalo pointed me to a different build. Can someone explain the different sources of bits and development to me? --scott ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Fwd: XO Problems (4 Problems)
Paul is right, the startup sound volume is only controlled by the firmware, and the easiest opportunity is at the time it plays. Can also stick ear plugs in socket. See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/On_Music ;-) The Scratch, freezes, and touchscreen vs mouse exclusivity remind me of an early development build. Might just need an upgrade. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO Problems (4 Problems)
On Nov 25, 2013 5:37 AM, "Paul Fox" wrote: > > walter wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 1:53 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > > Anyone have any suggestions for my six year old friend? > > > IIRC startup volume is persistent, but I can't remember how it is adjusted. > > > > Yes. He can adjust the volume using the volume control on the Frame > > and it should persist. > > really? i thought startup volume (the "on music" -- love it!) was > controlled by, and persisted by, OFW, and that it was a separate > setting than for the running OS. i.e., it used to be that you had to > adjust the volume while the chimes were still playing, and then you'd > be all set. > OFW and Linux do handle their volume settings individually. Paul's suggestion should fix that problem up. I believe there is a newer OFW revision that reduces the overall volume to avoid distortion. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO Problems (4 Problems)
walter wrote: > On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 1:53 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > Anyone have any suggestions for my six year old friend? > > IIRC startup volume is persistent, but I can't remember how it is > > adjusted. > > Yes. He can adjust the volume using the volume control on the Frame > and it should persist. really? i thought startup volume (the "on music" -- love it!) was controlled by, and persisted by, OFW, and that it was a separate setting than for the running OS. i.e., it used to be that you had to adjust the volume while the chimes were still playing, and then you'd be all set. paul > > > The rest might be helped by upgrading to the latest XO4 build? > > I recommend he try [1] if he has an XO 4. Feedback appreciated. > > > --scott > > > > -- Forwarded message ------ > > From: "Douglas Rogers" > > Date: Nov 24, 2013 12:00 PM > > Subject: XO Problems (4 Problems) > > To: > > Cc: > > > > hi scott it's Douglas. Can you help me make my xo work? > > 1) When I turn on the computer,the ''on music'' is too loud.(so loud I have > > to cover the speakers) > > 2) In scratch when I switch projects all the sprites from the old project > > stay there. > > 3) My XO freezes up a lot > > 4) If I use the touch screen I can't start using the mouse again > > > > > > > > ___ > > Devel mailing list > > Devel@lists.laptop.org > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > > > -walter > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > > [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Testing > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO Problems (4 Problems)
Probably [1] == http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/AU1B/33024xx4.zd On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 1:53 PM, C. Scott Ananian > wrote: > > Anyone have any suggestions for my six year old friend? > > IIRC startup volume is persistent, but I can't remember how it is > adjusted. > > Yes. He can adjust the volume using the volume control on the Frame > and it should persist. > > > The rest might be helped by upgrading to the latest XO4 build? > > I recommend he try [1] if he has an XO 4. Feedback appreciated. > > > --scott > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > > From: "Douglas Rogers" > > Date: Nov 24, 2013 12:00 PM > > Subject: XO Problems (4 Problems) > > To: > > Cc: > > > > hi scott it's Douglas. Can you help me make my xo work? > > 1) When I turn on the computer,the ''on music'' is too loud.(so loud I > have > > to cover the speakers) > > 2) In scratch when I switch projects all the sprites from the old project > > stay there. > > 3) My XO freezes up a lot > > 4) If I use the touch screen I can't start using the mouse again > > > > > > > > ___ > > Devel mailing list > > Devel@lists.laptop.org > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > > > -walter > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > > [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Testing > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO Problems (4 Problems)
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 1:53 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > Anyone have any suggestions for my six year old friend? > IIRC startup volume is persistent, but I can't remember how it is adjusted. Yes. He can adjust the volume using the volume control on the Frame and it should persist. > The rest might be helped by upgrading to the latest XO4 build? I recommend he try [1] if he has an XO 4. Feedback appreciated. > --scott > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: "Douglas Rogers" > Date: Nov 24, 2013 12:00 PM > Subject: XO Problems (4 Problems) > To: > Cc: > > hi scott it's Douglas. Can you help me make my xo work? > 1) When I turn on the computer,the ''on music'' is too loud.(so loud I have > to cover the speakers) > 2) In scratch when I switch projects all the sprites from the old project > stay there. > 3) My XO freezes up a lot > 4) If I use the touch screen I can't start using the mouse again > > > > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Testing ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Fwd: XO Problems (4 Problems)
Anyone have any suggestions for my six year old friend? IIRC startup volume is persistent, but I can't remember how it is adjusted. The rest might be helped by upgrading to the latest XO4 build? --scott -- Forwarded message -- From: "Douglas Rogers" Date: Nov 24, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: XO Problems (4 Problems) To: Cc: hi scott it's Douglas. Can you help me make my xo work? 1) When I turn on the computer,the ''on music'' is too loud.(so loud I have to cover the speakers) 2) In scratch when I switch projects all the sprites from the old project stay there. 3) My XO freezes up a lot 4) If I use the touch screen I can't start using the mouse again ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
