Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-15 Thread ROUSSEL Kévin
Hello everyone, Maybe was it already envisioned, but another strategy would be dual licensing, something akin to what FreeRTOS does for example. Using this scheme: * we got (L)GPL by default, for academic contributors and everyone that has nothing against open-source; * the same code can be

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-15 Thread Peter Kietzmann
Hi everyone, I'm sorry to hop in that late. To be honest, I didn't come to a final conclusion for myself, regarding the license-topic. Let me first say that I wouldn't boycott the change to BSD. Still I need to say that I have similar doubts like my previous speakers mentioned. One the one

Re: [riot-devel] [riot-users] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-15 Thread Martin
(sorry for the post in users) Hi all, sorry for the late reply. I'm not against a license change in general. I understand the positions of companies to be restrained on LGPL. They will not provide much effort, in manpower and finance, to find a way to link their implementations to RIOT not

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-15 Thread Kaspar Schleiser
Hey, On 12/15/2014 11:10 AM, Ludwig Ortmann wrote: I'd rather add a static linking exception to our current license (or switch to GPL with linking exception which amounts to the same as far as I remember) What kind of static linking exception do you have in mind? Kaspar

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-15 Thread Ludwig Ortmann
Hi, On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 01:08:24PM +0100, Kaspar Schleiser wrote: On 12/15/2014 11:10 AM, Ludwig Ortmann wrote: I'd rather add a static linking exception to our current license (or switch to GPL with linking exception which amounts to the same as far as I remember) What kind of static

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-15 Thread ROUSSEL Kévin
Hello again, As I said, I was just mentioning the possibility of dual-licensing. I never said it was the right thing to do, as I didn't really thought about it... The only thing I'm really afraid of are software patents, since these are visibly at the origin of many bad things (see the

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-15 Thread Kaspar Schleiser
Hey, On 12/15/2014 01:19 PM, Ludwig Ortmann wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 01:08:24PM +0100, Kaspar Schleiser wrote: On 12/15/2014 11:10 AM, Ludwig Ortmann wrote: I'd rather add a static linking exception to our current license (or switch to GPL with linking exception which amounts to the

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-15 Thread Kaspar Schleiser
Hey, On 12/03/2014 10:59 PM, Emmanuel Baccelli wrote: But in the first place, we would like to debate this topic. In particular: is anyone violently opposing the idea of migrating to a less restrictive license, such as BSD? If so, why? On the other hand, if you explicitly support the license

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-15 Thread Oleg Hahm
Hi! On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 01:08:24PM +0100, Kaspar Schleiser wrote: On 12/15/2014 11:10 AM, Ludwig Ortmann wrote: I'd rather add a static linking exception to our current license (or switch to GPL with linking exception which amounts to the same as far as I remember) What kind of

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-15 Thread Oleg Hahm
Hi Kaspar! 1. The entity distributing such a product must mention the use of RIOT. Isn't that the case also for some non-copyleft licenses (e.g. some BSD-style licenses)? Not sure, just asking. This requires the device to be field-upgradable I still seriously doubt this. We're talking about

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-15 Thread Martine Lenders
Hi, 2014-12-03 22:59 GMT+01:00 Emmanuel Baccelli emmanuel.bacce...@inria.fr: […] But in the first place, we would like to debate this topic. In particular: is anyone violently opposing the idea of migrating to a less restrictive license, such as BSD? If so, why? On the other hand, if you

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-15 Thread Thomas Eichinger
Dear all, On 15 Dec 2014, at 11:10, Ludwig Ortmann ludwig.ortm...@fu-berlin.de wrote: As for the general topic of relicensing: Personally speaking I’m rather pragmatic on this topic and either license is fine for me *but* I tend to advocate for MIT. ad contributing back”: Apart from

Re: [riot-devel] Periodical (virtual) meetings

2014-12-15 Thread Oleg Hahm
Hi Martine! Yes, I'm not among those (though I have to admit, that I missed the last to meetings too :() + all the worlds not Berlin and Hamburg. If you see each other you can join in bulk and the rest will join virtually. How about that? That will probably not work out, because we won't

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-15 Thread Oleg Hahm
Hey Hauke! In an ideal world I would personally want RIOT to be even published under GPL, as of RIOT should be free. But we all know that world does not exist. I would say: In an ideal world RIOT should have been published as public domain. Cheers, Oleg -- panic(smp_callin()

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

2014-12-15 Thread Adam Hunt
At risk of further confusing things maybe there's a happy medium between a strong copyleft/(L)GPL and a the BSD license. While I'm most certainly not a lawyer, copyright or otherwise, a quick look at the Eclipse Public License https://eclipse.org/org/documents/epl-v10.php (EPL) and the related