Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

At risk of further confusing things maybe there's a happy medium between a strong copyleft/(L)GPL and a the BSD license. While I'm most certainly not a lawyer, copyright or otherwise, a quick look at the Eclipse Public License (EPL) and the related E

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hi Oleg, On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Oleg Hahm wrote: > > Hey Hauke! > > > To my experience the typical situation in > > (larger) companies is, that technical people actually would like to work > > with LGPL products an give code back but that they are not allowed to > from > > their managem

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hey Hauke! > To my experience the typical situation in > (larger) companies is, that technical people actually would like to work > with LGPL products an give code back but that they are not allowed to from > their management due to their lawyers not allowing LGPL. For MIT I see a > different pict

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hey Hauke! > In an ideal world I would personally want RIOT to be even published under > GPL, as of RIOT should be free. But we all know that world does not exist. I would say: In an ideal world RIOT should have been published as public domain. Cheers, Oleg -- panic("smp_callin() a.

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hi, On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 05:32:14PM +0100, Martine Lenders wrote: > Hi, > speaking of proprietary smart phones: seems like Android decided against > LGPL for more or less the same reasons as we discuss right now: > https://source.android.com/source/licenses.html#why-apache-software-license. Bu

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Dear RIOT Community, after being quiet on the mailing list for some time, I gave the topic some more thoughts. In an ideal world I would personally want RIOT to be even published under GPL, as of RIOT should be free. But we all know that world does not exist. As I am tending towards a not-

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hi, On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 05:23:32PM +0100, Kaspar Schleiser wrote: > On 12/15/2014 05:07 PM, Oleg Hahm wrote: > >>Giving away source code which strenghtens those is contraproductive to the > >>common good. > > > >Says the man earning a shit load of money from one of these evil companies, > >usi

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hi, speaking of proprietary smart phones: seems like Android decided against LGPL for more or less the same reasons as we discuss right now: https://source.android.com/source/licenses.html#why-apache-software-license. Cheers, Martine 2014-12-15 17:23 GMT+01:00 Kaspar Schleiser : > > Hey, > > On 1

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hey, On 12/15/2014 05:07 PM, Oleg Hahm wrote: Giving away source code which strenghtens those is contraproductive to the common good. Says the man earning a shit load of money from one of these evil companies, using a proprietary smart phone, and buying Facebook goggles. ;-) That implies I'm b

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Oleg Hahm wrote: > > > > Let's keep the discussion non-political/-philosophical - otherwise there's > no > end. > > +1 ___ devel mailing list devel@riot-os.org http://lists.riot-os.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hi! > Giving away source code which strenghtens those is contraproductive to the > common good. Says the man earning a shit load of money from one of these evil companies, using a proprietary smart phone, and buying Facebook goggles. ;-) Let's keep the discussion non-political/-philosophical - o

Re: [riot-devel] Periodical (virtual) meetings

Hi Martine! > Yes, I'm not among those (though I have to admit, that I missed the last to > meetings too :() + all the worlds not Berlin and Hamburg. If you see each > other you can join in bulk and the rest will join virtually. How about that? That will probably not work out, because we won't ar

Re: [riot-devel] Periodical (virtual) meetings

Hi, 2014-12-15 15:57 GMT+01:00 Oleg Hahm : > > Dear ruthless IoTlers, > > since some members from the core development team from Berlin and Hamburg > will > meet in Person on Wednesday, I propose to skip this week's virtual meeting > and > have the next meeting on January 6, 2015. Any objections?

Re: [riot-devel] Periodical (virtual) meetings

Dear ruthless IoTlers, since some members from the core development team from Berlin and Hamburg will meet in Person on Wednesday, I propose to skip this week's virtual meeting and have the next meeting on January 6, 2015. Any objections? Cheers, Oleg -- printk (KERN_ERR "%s: Oops - your private

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hi, > On 15 Dec 2014, at 15:34, Kaspar Schleiser wrote: > > On 12/15/2014 03:03 PM, Thomas Eichinger wrote: >> Philosophical question: If we take open source software as an altruistic >> approach >> to publish software for the greater good wouldn’t it be contradictory to tell >> others to give

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hey, On 12/15/2014 03:03 PM, Thomas Eichinger wrote: Philosophical question: If we take open source software as an altruistic approach to publish software for the greater good wouldn’t it be contradictory to tell others to give something in return and exclusionary to those who simply can’t? Not

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Dear all, > On 15 Dec 2014, at 11:10, Ludwig Ortmann wrote: > > As for the general topic of relicensing: Personally speaking I’m rather pragmatic on this topic and either license is fine for me *but* I tend to advocate for MIT. ad "contributing back”: Apart from companies practicing an open

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hi Kaspar! > >In general, I would agree that - to my understanding - (L)GPL with linker > >exception is more aligned to what we're looking for than to LGPL only. > Could we sum up the differences? Wikipedia is saying: "Compared to the GNU Classpath license above, the LGPL formulates more requirem

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hi, 2014-12-03 22:59 GMT+01:00 Emmanuel Baccelli : > > […] > > But in the first place, we would like to debate this topic. In particular: > is anyone violently opposing the idea of migrating to a less restrictive > license, such as BSD? If so, why? On the other hand, if you explicitly > support th

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hi Kaspar! > 1. The entity distributing such a product must mention the use of RIOT. Isn't that the case also for some non-copyleft licenses (e.g. some BSD-style licenses)? Not sure, just asking. > This requires the device to be field-upgradable I still seriously doubt this. We're talking about

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hey, On 12/15/2014 02:29 PM, Oleg Hahm wrote: What kind of "static linking exception" do you have in mind? The regular kind ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPL_linking_exception I'm not aware if there is another kind with different characteristics. In general, I would agree that - to my unde

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hi! > On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 01:08:24PM +0100, Kaspar Schleiser wrote: > > On 12/15/2014 11:10 AM, Ludwig Ortmann wrote: > > >I'd rather add a static linking exception to our > > >current license (or switch to GPL with linking exception which amounts > > >to the same as far as I remember) > > Wha

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hey, On 12/03/2014 10:59 PM, Emmanuel Baccelli wrote: But in the first place, we would like to debate this topic. In particular: is anyone violently opposing the idea of migrating to a less restrictive license, such as BSD? If so, why? On the other hand, if you explicitly support the license cha

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hey, On 12/15/2014 01:19 PM, Ludwig Ortmann wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 01:08:24PM +0100, Kaspar Schleiser wrote: On 12/15/2014 11:10 AM, Ludwig Ortmann wrote: I'd rather add a static linking exception to our current license (or switch to GPL with linking exception which amounts to the same

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hello again, As I said, I was just mentioning the possibility of dual-licensing. I never said it was the right thing to do, as I didn't really thought about it... The only thing I'm really afraid of are software patents, since these are visibly at the origin of many bad things (see the patent

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hi, On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 01:08:24PM +0100, Kaspar Schleiser wrote: > On 12/15/2014 11:10 AM, Ludwig Ortmann wrote: > >I'd rather add a static linking exception to our > >current license (or switch to GPL with linking exception which amounts > >to the same as far as I remember) > What kind of "s

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hey, On 12/15/2014 11:10 AM, Ludwig Ortmann wrote: I'd rather add a static linking exception to our current license (or switch to GPL with linking exception which amounts to the same as far as I remember) What kind of "static linking exception" do you have in mind? Kaspar _

Re: [riot-devel] [riot-users] Switch to BSD?

(sorry for the post in users) Hi all, sorry for the late reply. I'm not against a license change in general. I understand the positions of companies to be restrained on LGPL. They will not provide much effort, in manpower and finance, to find a way to link their implementations to RIOT not viol

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hi everyone, I'm sorry to hop in that late. To be honest, I didn't come to a final conclusion for myself, regarding the license-topic. Let me first say that I wouldn't boycott the change to BSD. Still I need to say that I have similar doubts like my previous speakers mentioned. One the one h

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hi, All in all, dual licensing is an interesting thought, but I'm afraid it inevitably leads to extra work and frustration. Because the users of the commercial branch will most likely be a major contributer of resources, the "free" branch would end up being treated as a second class citizen. (Plea

Re: [riot-devel] Switch to BSD?

Hello everyone, Maybe was it already envisioned, but another strategy would be dual licensing, something akin to what FreeRTOS does for example. Using this scheme: * we got (L)GPL by default, for academic contributors and everyone that has nothing against open-source; * the same code can be l