Re: [riot-devel] Feedback from emworld and future plans (partnerships AND licensing)

2015-02-27 Thread Oleg Hahm
Hi Jan!

In addition to the other replies:

 - RIOT is an OS that is mostly powered by the community with alot  of students
 of european universities(?)

That's only half the truth: a big portion of the contributions to RIOT
actually came from people paid by universities or research institutes (as
research assistants or student assistant. So, yes, RIOT is powered by students
- but one needs money to pay some of them to enable the current progress of
development.

Cheers,
Oleg
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Re: [riot-devel] Feedback from emworld and future plans (partnerships AND licensing)

2015-02-26 Thread Kaspar Schleiser

Hi,

On 02/26/2015 12:35 PM, Jan Wagner wrote:

 Is the big picture clearer fo you?


yes kind of. but can you please tell my what this fincancial engagement is used
for? - who is defined as maintainer?

RIOT is legally fully independent and will stay so.

We're setting up a Verein in order to (among other things) get the stuff 
that's now mostly done by universities (printing t-shirts  stickers, 
being the communication entry point, providing servers, paying the 
drinks at community meetings) into a defined independence.


That Verein will have statues to keep RIOT independant and free and 
everyone will be able to join, taking part of that Verein's decision 
making processes.


That said - most of us are not free from the need to get paid by 
someone, and many would like to work on RIOT on some kind of salary.

We're trying to find a way to make that possible without selling our souls.

I agree with you - this stuff costs coding time. ;)

Kaspar


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[riot-devel] Feedback from emworld and future plans (partnerships AND licensing)

2015-02-25 Thread Jan Wagner
Hi devs,
 
you have read that many of you are currently at embedded world meeting with
representatives and unbrella corps.
I did not understand the future plans for the RIOT-OS yet. Its not even clear to
me why and for what in details
RIOT needs business support. I mean we all have freedom incl the final freedom
to fork etc and therefore
the plans of RIOT are imortant for me but not essential. Maybe someone can
answer me the follwing list of
questions:
 
- RIOT is an OS that is mostly powered by the community with alot  of students
of european universities(?)
-If RIOT is an open source Project why would it require legal services and
promise promition, matchmaking??
- Why is RIOT searching for partnerships is it only about money? - and for what
is that money exatly needed?
- Why are Business Partnerships needed? - the business gets a free OS and saves
tons of development months,
with GPL that can give someone back - or simply hide the GPL code - even if
they do not hide it its more a
moral problem because if you get sued - by who?, and how mutch will it cost?
(even in the times of
gpl-violations.org almost nothing happend) (sorry but thats exatly what happend
with this applicance like
systems starting +15y ago.
 
I asked this questions to understand the big picture - and it can be quite
different to my idea :
 
A strong, minimal and open IOT OS - that does NOT need promotion or partnerships
- yeah be a partner its called
GPL join the code. I want people and corps to join simply for selfish
reasons - to get a better OS that
I am currently working with and supporting code too. A selflish but fair win-win
of plain simple gpl.
 
Q: I dont want to start a a deep philosophical discussion - But what EXACLTY
is RIOT searching for? - any I am not
talking about these beatifull business buzzwords. How mutch money is needed and
for what sections (I just dont
see it - dont need exact numbers).

Q: Do we need promotion at all?

Q: I am straight spitter: I have heard that RIOT will have a full time
worker/developer hired - or was
already hired - Where does the money for the salery of this person comes from?


Greets Jan
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