Re: Multiple Monitors

2004-03-02 Thread Sven Luther
Or even : SubSection Display Modes1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection Which would use the modes for all depth. I doubt newer cards have per depth modes limitations anymore. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: help new driver

2004-02-26 Thread Sven Luther
licence, that would be nice, so the code could later be shared by the linux kernel, among others. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: 3D support for radeon 9600 pro (ppc)

2004-02-20 Thread Sven Luther
binaries too, at least they ship sparc ones, so they should be endian clean. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: 3D support for radeon 9600 pro (ppc)

2004-02-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 07:55:27AM -0800, Ian Romanick wrote: Sven Luther wrote: I think that ATI is missing something here. I believe that Powerpc hardware with ATI graphics represent a ever growing linux installed base, with the G5 Powermac, with the new powerbooks, as well as with non

Re: XFree86 4.4.0 RC3

2004-02-18 Thread Sven Luther
libraries, but only on the server code, which should make any arguments here mostly moot. David, any advancement on this ? Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Sven Luther
doubt they care, since the pm2 is rather ancient. Also 3Dlabs is rather liberal in providing specs under NDA. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Sven Luther
for R300 specs? It seems there are a lot of people wishing they had them and not a lot of people saying I've got em... :) And in any way, i guess this doesn't include the 3D/DRI parts. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] Re: [forum] Re: Announcement: Modification to the base XFree86(TM) license.

2004-02-02 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 01:06:23PM +, Andrew C Aitchison wrote: On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Sven Luther wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 09:10:22AM +, Andrew C Aitchison wrote: For several years the mga fb kernel driver has supported dual head and/or dvi on cards which aren't supported

Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] Re: [forum] Re: Announcement: Modification to the base XFree86(TM) license.

2004-02-02 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 08:13:45AM -0500, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Sven Luther wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 01:06:23PM +, Andrew C Aitchison wrote: On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Sven Luther wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 09:10:22AM +, Andrew C Aitchison wrote: For several years

Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] Re: [forum] Re: Announcement: Modification to the base XFree86(TM) license.

2004-02-02 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 01:59:54PM +, Dr Andrew C Aitchison wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 09:10:22AM +, Andrew C Aitchison wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, Sven Luther wrote: Yeah, that would be rather problematic, but anyway, most of the things move from the XFree86 code to fbdev

Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] Re: [forum] Re: Announcement: Modification to the base XFree86(TM) license.

2004-01-31 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 09:10:22AM +, Andrew C Aitchison wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, Sven Luther wrote: Yeah, that would be rather problematic, but anyway, most of the things move from the XFree86 code to fbdev code, and most often, it is not code that is copied, but the register

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-01-31 Thread Sven Luther
with gamma chip have the potential to be of geforce 1/2 speed with regard to 3D. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [forum] Re: Announcement: Modification to the base XFree86(TM) license.

2004-01-30 Thread Sven Luther
) think about this ? Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [forum] Re: Announcement: Modification to the base XFree86(TM) license.

2004-01-30 Thread Sven Luther
mailing list. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] Re: [forum] Re: Announcement: Modification to the base XFree86(TM) license.

2004-01-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 08:25:40PM +0100, Egbert Eich wrote: Sven Luther writes: Maybe a decision on both parts on this would be ok ? XFree86 could make sure the licence of the driver code would not conflict with the GPL, keeping the old one for example, and the fbdev driver authors

Re: -rpath not used under Linux

2004-01-24 Thread Sven Luther
it to restore the previous -rpath less behavior. I guess that -rpath is only usefull for some installation in strange places where one doesn't want to modify the ld.so.conf file or something, or perhaps user built libraries ? Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel

Re: -rpath not used under Linux

2004-01-24 Thread Sven Luther
read it in another thread, but i just wanted to warn you about this. I maintain the debian ocaml package, and some stuff there did also set the rpath, and the concensus when i asked about this was that rpath is evil, and should never be used (altough some argued the opposite). Sven Luther

Re: Debian

2004-01-23 Thread Sven Luther
him in your thank-you it's-about-damn-time messages. I don't understand the Debian policy but it would be nice if at least 4.3.0 was included in their release of sarge as stable next month. A debian/sarge release next month would most assuredly be premature. Friendly, Sven Luther

Re: Debian

2004-01-23 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 10:51:24AM -0500, Michael Taylor wrote: Sven Luther wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 05:12:28PM -0500, Michael Taylor wrote: I don't understand the Debian policy but it would be nice if at least 4.3.0 was included in their release of sarge as stable next month

Re: Disbandment

2004-01-14 Thread Sven Luther
understand that these issues are quite puzzling for outside people, who mostly know XFree86 only from using it, but nothing of the internal quarrels we had in the past. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org

Re: How can we XGI share our Linux 2D driver with the open source community? Thanx

2004-01-13 Thread Sven Luther
source 3D drivers. If XGI was to release this, i can predict that the XGI cards may well become the graphic cards of choice of many Linux users (as well as other OSes supporting the DRI). Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

X problems on Marvel Discovery 2 based Pegasos 2 motherboard.

2004-01-13 Thread Sven Luther
to start to look would be welcome. BTW, this is with the debian 4.3.0-0pre1v5 X packages. Friendly, Sven Luther This is a pre-release version of XFree86, and is not supported in any way. Bugs may be reported to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and patches submitted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Before reporting bugs

Re: State of radeon driver

2003-12-11 Thread Sven Luther
chance for getting a powerpc build of them, for the nice new powerbooks with mobility 9600 graphic card in it ? Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: nv driver obscurities...

2003-11-10 Thread Sven Luther
. Or are you speaking about another 3dlabs driver i don't know about ? Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: nv driver obscurities...

2003-11-10 Thread Sven Luther
. Maybe the old 3dlabs XFree86 3.3 server was in this case, but the glint driver has had nice symbolic names since a long time. 3Dlabs is even quite free in releasing full NDAed documentation, unlike other companies. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing

Re: Debugging XFree86 on a single machine

2003-10-02 Thread Sven Luther
got a second keyboard to work with 2.4.small kernels). All in all, telnet/ssh from a second machine is usually less hassle. BTW, how do you make it so that X doesn't blank the console on the other head ? Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list

Re: Debugging XFree86 on a single machine

2003-10-02 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 04:00:24PM +0100, Dr Andrew C Aitchison wrote: On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Sven Luther wrote: BTW, how do you make it so that X doesn't blank the console on the other head ? My memory is going - it is a long time since I tried this, and I'd forgotten about

Re: XFree86 SDK

2003-09-08 Thread Sven Luther
to it, unless we build a two level SDK. One would be called DDK and be only for drivers, the standard SDK would build depend on it and provide functionality for more stuff. The Driver SDK needs to be kept small enough to enable people to easily rebuild drivers with it. Friendly, Sven Luther

Re: xfree86, DRI, and multiple heads: thoughts and ideas

2003-08-28 Thread Sven Luther
work has to do with the SDK, but i had not had as much time as i wanted for this too. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: xfree86 for the VIA Apollo CLE266

2003-08-14 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 03:53:00PM -0400, David Dawes wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:14:58AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 02:21:28AM -0400, David Dawes wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 06:41:58AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:52:02PM -0400, David

Re: xfree86 for the VIA Apollo CLE266

2003-08-14 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 12:32:02PM -0400, David Dawes wrote: On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 05:41:25PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 03:53:00PM -0400, David Dawes wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:14:58AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Using a CVS date variable or something

Re: Post-processing X-server output

2003-08-14 Thread Sven Luther
the other drivers implement it. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Xrender transforms...

2003-08-14 Thread Sven Luther
. And there is no documentation whatsoever on what to do. And Keith has been telling me each time i asked him that render was not yet ready and that i should wait. Last time was a year or so ago though, so ... Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL

Re: xfree86 for the VIA Apollo CLE266

2003-08-14 Thread Sven Luther
the version as 4.3.99.x for the snapshot, and once it is released, mark the version as 4.3.99.x+ or 4.3.99.x+co date for the CVS versions, until a new snapshot is taken. Maybe it could only be done in the XFree86.0.log output code, and not the actual version be changed. Friendly, Sven Luther

Re: what parts of fb driver are used when Option USeFBDev is specififed?

2003-08-14 Thread Sven Luther
, but you drive directly to the framebuffer memory, possibly using shadowfb to speed things up. There is no accel, nor video overlay possible though. I hope i did not leave anything out, and that this respond to your question. Friendly, Sven Luther

Re: xfree86 for the VIA Apollo CLE266

2003-08-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 03:02:51PM -0400, David Dawes wrote: On Sat, Aug 09, 2003 at 08:43:55PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Nice. But that would mean not using a xxx as day of the month as is currently done (or was last i checked out the tree). No, it gets it from the '$XFree86' line

Re: xfree86 for the VIA Apollo CLE266

2003-08-09 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 02:21:28AM -0400, David Dawes wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 06:41:58AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 04:52:02PM -0400, David Dawes wrote: On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 06:50:28PM -0400, George Georgalis wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 11:59:06PM -0400

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Sven Luther
nvidia drivers who have problems. They will not ask nvidia, but ask on the debian user list for example. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Rant (was Re: ATI Drivers.)

2003-07-18 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 12:44:46PM +0200, Peter Firefly Lund wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Sven Luther wrote: Why do these companies not open source their complete drivers? Because they have intellectual property in their drivers that As if their concurent where not capable of reverse

missing SDK includes ...

2003-06-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 07:50:53AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: When discussing with Matthew, some other question came out, which need to be decided before we got further on this. Matthew tried to build the SDK without xlibs-dev, which i don't even considered doing. As such, he noticed 43 further

Re: status of SiS 3d?

2003-06-11 Thread Sven Luther
. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: SDK and drivers.

2003-06-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 06:02:15PM +0200, Egbert Eich wrote: Sven Luther writes: No problem, i have been busy with other things too, and my motherboard died on saturday, so i could not do much work this WE. I'm sorry to hear that. No problem, it was under guarantee

Re: SDK and drivers.

2003-06-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 04:28:46PM +0200, Egbert Eich wrote: Sven Luther writes: On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 11:58:03AM +0200, Egbert Eich wrote: Sven Luther writes: Hello, ... I have been trying to build the driver SDK thingy on both 4.3.0 and head, and it seems

Re: IBM port replicator noise?

2003-05-30 Thread Sven Luther
dual head DVI-D output then, don't you ? That is, in such dual link cables, the two TMDS cooperate to send data trough one DVI-D connector only, thus doubling the bandwith, and you cannot use DVI on the second head ? But analog on the second head would work fine. Friendly, Sven Luther

Re: [forum] Help with configuration please!

2003-04-02 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 04:42:00PM -0500, Mark Vojkovich wrote: On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 03:34:43PM -0500, Mark Vojkovich wrote: I stripped forum from the reply since devel is more appropriate. Ok, no problem with me

Re: [forum] Help with configuration please!

2003-03-31 Thread Sven Luther
the configuration file, if need be. Currently, at least for the glint driver, the DDC/I2C info is read at ModeInit time, which is too late to do anything apart print the result of the edid read. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

X server dying (seg 11) when cursor reaches bottom of the screen.

2003-03-23 Thread Sven Luther
indication as to what to do. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Hooking into mode setting: How to do it cleanly ?

2003-03-12 Thread Sven Luther
busses). Why not make it a library, that could be used by a commandline/whatever frontend, or linked in with the XFree86 Server if needed. The portability remains, as you may just need to port the library. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list

Re: Multiple video consoles

2003-03-07 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 12:31:18PM +, Dr Andrew C Aitchison wrote: On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Sven Luther wrote: I don't really agree here, modes are for the outgoing resolution, not the input viewport. it would be far simpler to keep this simple acceptation, and add a new keyword

Re: Multiple video consoles

2003-03-06 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 12:27:41PM -0500, David Dawes wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 10:41:50AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: I strongly advocate that you take in account such separation of the outgoing resolution and the framebuffer size in any future configuration scheme. We already

Re: Multiple video consoles

2003-03-04 Thread Sven Luther
. The worst they can say is no. I find vmware very useful personally as well as for XFree86-related stuff (especially multi-platform build testing). Ok, Will be asking them. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org

Re: Multiple video consoles

2003-03-03 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 11:28:24PM -0500, David Dawes wrote: On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 10:34:20AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 04:19:37PM -0500, David Dawes wrote: Are you speaking about the current 4.3.0 or the stuff you are working on ? What I was working on. Ok

Re: Multiple video consoles

2003-03-01 Thread Sven Luther
a different story... I don't use wmware anyway, so ... Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Multiple video consoles

2003-03-01 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 04:19:37PM -0500, David Dawes wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 09:04:06PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Are you speaking about the current 4.3.0 or the stuff you are working on ? What I was working on. BTW, is the stuff you were working on accessible on a CVS branch

Re: Multiple video consoles

2003-02-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 11:59:48AM -0500, David Dawes wrote: On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 10:11:34AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: BTW, Dawes, what are the plans for post 4.3.0 XFree86 ? This kind of thing would most assuredly go into the thinking about 5.x, but some of the stuff here, and about

Re: Misleading Makefile samples for Linux ?

2003-02-28 Thread Sven Luther
to be uptodate though for that to work, or that we have one for various kernel versions, or at least state for what range of kernels they will work. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Multiple video consoles

2003-02-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 02:06:35PM -0500, David Dawes wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 06:27:20PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 11:59:48AM -0500, David Dawes wrote: On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 10:11:34AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: BTW, Dawes, what are the plans for post 4.3.0

Re: XRENDER extension docs?

2003-02-27 Thread Sven Luther
extension. It Yes, it would indeed be great if the XAA.HOWTO would be expanded by a new paragraph speaking about the XRENDER acceleration hooks. There is already the xaa.h which gives some info, but a discution of the hooks would be welcome. Friendly, Sven Luther

Re: Multiple video consoles

2003-02-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 09:40:18PM -0500, David Dawes wrote: On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 09:25:21PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 09:27:50PM +0200, Yitzhak Bar Geva wrote: Greatly encouraged by your response, thanks! Someone reported that X works with the multi-head

Re: Multiple video consoles

2003-02-27 Thread Sven Luther
layer should handle this just fine, not that i have personal experience with it, but that seemed to be the intention from what i followed in the linux-fbdev mailing list. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org

Re: Multiple video consoles

2003-02-27 Thread Sven Luther
be implemented in the current setting. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Centralize XXXCopyMungedData

2003-02-26 Thread Sven Luther
functions. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Multiple video consoles

2003-02-26 Thread Sven Luther
? Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Multiple video consoles

2003-02-26 Thread Sven Luther
is the main developper of the new console code, and you have to look into the late 2.5.5x at least to get working stuff. That said, XFree86 people don't like fbdev much, and anyway, i don't think you can handle the dual head/one accel engine this way. Friendly, Sven Luther

Re: Start directions

2003-01-31 Thread Sven Luther
. Friendly, Sven Luther ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/devel