RE: (Warning long!) Re: X11 CVS with linux 2.6.0-test9?

2003-12-14 Thread Fred Heitkamp
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003, Michel [ISO-8859-1] Dnzer wrote:

 On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 23:04, Fred Heitkamp wrote:
 
  Can someone explain why the  business is in the source file?

 It's a merge conflict. (It's a good idea to check the output of cvs up
 for lines starting with a capital C for conflict)


I deleted my xfree cvs and reacquired a new set of sources. The sources
compiled fine and now my DRI is working.  I got 1907 fps on my Radeon 8500
with glxgears.  Still checking the stability issue.  Hopefully that is
resolved now too.  Thanks for everyones help.  I've appended the glxinfo
output, if anyone is curious.

Fred

libGL: XF86DRIGetClientDriverName: 4.0.1 r200 (screen 0)
libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so
drmOpenByBusid: busid is PCI:1:5:0
drmOpenDevice: minor is 0
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is 4, (OK)
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 4
drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports PCI:1:5:0
name of display: :0.0
display: :0  screen: 0
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
server glx extensions:
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context,
GLX_SGI_make_current_read
client glx vendor string: SGI
client glx version string: 1.2
client glx extensions:
GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context,
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_allocate_memory,
GLX_MESA_swap_control, GLX_MESA_swap_frame_usage, GLX_OML_swap_method,
GLX_OML_sync_control, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGI_swap_control,
GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig,
GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group
GLX extensions:
GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_visual_info,
GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_allocate_memory, GLX_MESA_swap_control,
GLX_MESA_swap_frame_usage, GLX_SGI_video_sync
OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R200 20030328 AGP 2x x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE TCL
OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 5.0.2
OpenGL extensions:
GL_ARB_imaging, GL_ARB_multisample, GL_ARB_multitexture,
GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, GL_ARB_texture_compression,
GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add,
GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3,
GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix,
GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_blend_color,
GL_EXT_blend_logic_op, GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract,
GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint, GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array, GL_EXT_convolution,
GL_EXT_copy_texture, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_histogram,
GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_EXT_polygon_offset, GL_EXT_rescale_normal,
GL_EXT_secondary_color, GL_EXT_separate_specular_color,
GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_EXT_subtexture, GL_EXT_texture, GL_EXT_texture3D,
GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_env_add,
GL_EXT_texture_env_combine, GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3,
GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic, GL_EXT_texture_object,
GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_vertex_array, GL_APPLE_packed_pixels,
GL_ATI_texture_env_combine3, GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once,
GL_IBM_rasterpos_clip, GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat,
GL_MESA_pack_invert, GL_MESA_ycbcr_texture, GL_MESA_window_pos,
GL_NV_blend_square, GL_NV_texture_rectangle, GL_NV_texgen_reflection,
GL_SGI_color_matrix, GL_SGI_color_table, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap,
GL_SGIS_texture_border_clamp, GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp,
GL_SGIS_texture_lod
glu version: 1.3
glu extensions:
GLU_EXT_nurbs_tessellator, GLU_EXT_object_space_tess

   visual  x  bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer  ms  cav
 id dep cl sp sz l  ci b ro  r  g  b  a bf th cl  r  g  b  a ns b eat
--
0x23 24 tc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  0  0  0  0  0  0 0 None
0x24 24 tc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  8  0  0  0  0  0 0 None
0x25 24 tc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  0 16 16 16 16  0 0 Slow
0x26 24 tc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  8 16 16 16 16  0 0 Slow
0x27 24 tc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  0  0  0  0  0  0 0 None
0x28 24 tc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  8  0  0  0  0  0 0 None
0x29 24 tc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  0 16 16 16 16  0 0 Slow
0x2a 24 tc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  8 16 16 16 16  0 0 Slow
0x2b 24 dc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  0  0  0  0  0  0 0 None
0x2c 24 dc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  8  0  0  0  0  0 0 None
0x2d 24 dc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  0 16 16 16 16  0 0 Slow
0x2e 24 dc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  8 16 16 16 16  0 0 Slow
0x2f 24 dc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  0  0  0  0  0  0 0 None
0x30 24 dc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  8  0  0  0  0  0 0 None
0x31 24 dc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  0 16 16 16 16  0 0 Slow
0x32 24 dc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 24  8 16 16 16 16  0 0 

RE: (Warning long!) Re: X11 CVS with linux 2.6.0-test9?

2003-12-13 Thread Fred Heitkamp
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Michel [ISO-8859-1] Dnzer wrote:

 On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 13:11, Fred Heitkamp wrote:
 
  I set the AGP mode to 2.  Setting the mode to 2 seemed to allow X to run
  continuously the longest without locking up.  In fact I used mode 2 all
  day and I don't believe X11 ever locked up.  I still wasn't sure whether
  the GL lib issue was a being a confuser, so I changed the mode back to 4.
  X ran about 7 hours without locking up, essentially running with just a
  XFCE terminal open with a tar verify scrolling all night and the
  Xscreensaver running.  When I logged in this morning and brought up
  Mozilla, X locked-up a few seconds later.  Lastly, I checked to see that
  all the proper kernel modules were inserted, after learning that kernel
  2.6.x is different than 2.4.x in respect to the DRI/AGP modules, but
  glxinfo still shows DRI is not working.

 So it was likely AGP.

Eventually the display locked up at mode 2 too, though it took a lot
longer.  I have been trying to compile the latest CVS and am not having
success.  Actually it compiled OK but I got this message from glxinfo:

libGL: XF86DRIGetClientDriverName: 4.0.1 r200 (screen 0)
libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so
libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so failed
(/usr/X11R6/li
b/modules/dri/r200_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
direc
tory)
libGL error: unable to find driver: r200_dri.so
name of display: :0.0
display: :0  screen: 0
direct rendering: No

I tried compiling with #define DriDrivers   mga radeon r200
in my host.def file but the compile stops.  Here is the code that makes it
stop.  Can someone explain why the  business is in the source file?


static void r200SetBuffer( GLcontext *ctx,
   GLframebuffer *colorBuffer,
   GLuint bufferBit )
{
   r200ContextPtr rmesa = R200_CONTEXT(ctx);

 r200_span.c

   switch ( mode ) {
   case GL_FRONT_LEFT:
===
   switch ( bufferBit ) {
   case FRONT_LEFT_BIT:
 1.2
  if ( rmesa-doPageFlip  rmesa-sarea-pfCurrentPage == 1 ) {
rmesa-state.pixel.readOffset = rmesa-r200Screen-backOffset;
rmesa-state.pixel.readPitch  = rmesa-r200Screen-backPitch;
rmesa-state.color.drawOffset = rmesa-r200Screen-backOffset;



  (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled

 This means the DRI is fine as far as the X server and the kernel are
 concerned; does

 LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo


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RE: (Warning long!) Re: X11 CVS with linux 2.6.0-test9?

2003-12-05 Thread Fred Heitkamp
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Andrew P. Lentvorski, Jr. wrote:

 On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Alexander Stohr wrote:

   I tried just leaving the display running without doing anything
   interactive with the interface and X ran for several hours before
   freezing. All that was running was Xscreensaver. I then tried
   again using
   X normally but with a different window manager (XFCE 4) and
   it worked for
   about an hour and then froze again.

 It can also mean problems in DRI and OpenGL.

 I had to remove several of the screen savers from the random list because
 they would lock up my system quite reliably.

 You might want to check which specific screen savers are running when the
 system locks.

I implemented some of the suggestions that folks on the list were kind
enough to give and hopefully got a little closer to the core issue.  I
made sure that I did not have any old Mesa/GL libraries in the
/usr/X11R6/lib directory.  I set the AGP mode to 2.  Setting the mode to 2
seemed to allow X to run continuously the longest without locking up.  In
fact I used mode 2 all day and I don't believe X11 ever locked up.  I
still wasn't sure whether the GL lib issue was a being a confuser, so I
changed the mode back to 4.  X ran about 7 hours without locking up,
essentially running with just a XFCE terminal open with a tar verify
scrolling all night and the Xscreensaver running.  When I logged in this
morning and brought up Mozilla, X locked-up a few seconds later.  Lastly,
I checked to see that all the proper kernel modules were inserted, after
learning that kernel 2.6.x is different than 2.4.x in respect to the
DRI/AGP modules, but glxinfo still shows DRI is not working.

Here are some log snippets:
(II) LoadModule: dri
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a
(II) Module dri: vendor=The XFree86 Project
compiled for 4.3.99.16, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading sub module drm
(II) LoadModule: drm
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libdrm.a
(II) Module drm: vendor=The XFree86 Project
compiled for 4.3.99.16, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
(II) LoadModule: GLcore
(II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a
(II) LoadModule: record
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/librecord.a
(II) Module record: vendor=The XFree86 Project
compiled for 4.3.99.16, module version = 1.13.0
Module class: XFree86 Server Extension
ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2


snip

drmOpenDevice: minor is 0
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is 7, (OK)
drmOpenDevice: minor is 0
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is 7, (OK)
drmOpenDevice: minor is 0
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is 7, (OK)
drmGetBusid returned ''
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] created radeon driver at busid PCI:1:5:0
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] added 8192 byte SAREA at 0xe0b51000
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] mapped SAREA 0xe0b51000 to 0x44276000
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] framebuffer handle = 0xf000
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] added 1 reserved context for kernel
(II) RADEON(0): [agp] Mode 0x0f000207 [AGP 0x1022/0x700c; Card 0x1002/0x514c]
(II) RADEON(0): [agp] 8192 kB allocated with handle 0x0001
(II) RADEON(0): [agp] ring handle = 0xfc00
(II) RADEON(0): [agp] Ring mapped at 0x44278000
(II) RADEON(0): [agp] ring read ptr handle = 0xfc101000
(II) RADEON(0): [agp] Ring read ptr mapped at 0x44379000
(II) RADEON(0): [agp] vertex/indirect buffers handle = 0xfc102000
(II) RADEON(0): [agp] Vertex/indirect buffers mapped at 0x4437a000
(II) RADEON(0): [agp] GART texture map handle = 0xfc302000
(II) RADEON(0): [agp] GART Texture map mapped at 0x4457a000
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] register handle = 0xef00
(II) RADEON(0): [dri] Visual configs initialized
(II) RADEON(0): CP in BM mode
(II) RADEON(0): Using 8 MB GART aperture
(II) RADEON(0): Using 1 MB for the ring buffer
(II) RADEON(0): Using 2 MB for vertex/indirect buffers
(II) RADEON(0): Using 5 MB for GART textures
(II) RADEON(0): Memory manager initialized to (0,0) (1280,8191)
(II) RADEON(0): Reserved area from (0,1024) to (1280,1026)
(II) RADEON(0): Largest offscreen area available: 1280 x 7165
(II) RADEON(0): Will use back buffer at offset 0x140
(II) RADEON(0): Will use depth buffer at offset 0x190
(II) RADEON(0): Will use 34816 kb for textures at offset 0x1e0
(II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
Screen to screen bit blits
Solid filled rectangles
8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles
Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion
Solid Lines
Scanline Image Writes
Offscreen Pixmaps
Setting up tile and stipple cache:
32 128x128 slots
32 256x256 slots
16 512x512 slots
(II) RADEON(0): 

Re: (Warning long!) Re: X11 CVS with linux 2.6.0-test9?

2003-12-04 Thread Craig Ringer
maybe there is just a power save flaw,
ACPI has been significantly reworked, and I think it's on by default 
now. ACPI BIOS implementations are also notoriously buggy. ACPI can also 
affect your IRQ routing etc, so if you're using it you might want to try 
turning it off and seeing what happens.

Craig Ringer

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RE: (Warning long!) Re: X11 CVS with linux 2.6.0-test9?

2003-12-04 Thread Alexander Stohr
 I suppose I could have a hardware problem, since my PC is a 
 couple years
 old now.  However, I can leave the same computer just running a 2.4.x
 kernel for days with no problems.  Would the redesigned kernel
 2.6.x bang the hardware so much more; going beyond that of 
 kernel 2.4.x?

It can be that a new kernel does make use of resources
that were previousely ignored. in the past e.g. turning on 
fast writes on the AGP bus lead several systems to instable
behaviour - the chipset claimed it supports that but when
enabling this it all turned out to be of questionable use.

maybe there is just a power save flaw, a problem with 
IRQ coding or something else that hits the system at
a rather sporadic rate - it is hard to say what it is.
sometimes only an analysis with quite advanced hard 
and software tools can shed a light on the root cause.

-Alex.
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RE: (Warning long!) Re: X11 CVS with linux 2.6.0-test9?

2003-12-04 Thread Fred Heitkamp
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Alexander Stohr wrote:

  I tried just leaving the display running without doing anything
  interactive with the interface and X ran for several hours before
  freezing. All that was running was Xscreensaver. I then tried
  again using
  X normally but with a different window manager (XFCE 4) and
  it worked for
  about an hour and then froze again.

 having a machine frozen after several hours could mean
 a thermal problem. this can inlcude even overclocked CPUs
 or instable RAM or anything else on the bus or the grafics.

I suppose I could have a hardware problem, since my PC is a couple years
old now.  However, I can leave the same computer just running a 2.4.x
kernel for days with no problems.  Would the redesigned kernel
2.6.x bang the hardware so much more; going beyond that of kernel 2.4.x?


 -Alex. 


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Re: (Warning long!) Re: X11 CVS with linux 2.6.0-test9?

2003-12-04 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
FH I suppose I could have a hardware problem, since my PC is a couple years
FH old now.  However, I can leave the same computer just running a 2.4.x
FH kernel for days with no problems.

HZ is 1000 by default in 2.6; the different scheduling might perhaps
cause a deadlock somewhere.  Can you try with a 2.6 kernel compiled
with HZ being 100 and see whether you can reproduce the problem?

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RE: (Warning long!) Re: X11 CVS with linux 2.6.0-test9?

2003-12-03 Thread Alexander Stohr
 I tried just leaving the display running without doing anything
 interactive with the interface and X ran for several hours before
 freezing. All that was running was Xscreensaver. I then tried 
 again using
 X normally but with a different window manager (XFCE 4) and 
 it worked for
 about an hour and then froze again.

having a machine frozen after several hours could mean 
a thermal problem. this can inlcude even overclocked CPUs
or instable RAM or anything else on the bus or the grafics.

-Alex.
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RE: (Warning long!) Re: X11 CVS with linux 2.6.0-test9?

2003-12-03 Thread Andrew P. Lentvorski, Jr.
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Alexander Stohr wrote:

  I tried just leaving the display running without doing anything
  interactive with the interface and X ran for several hours before
  freezing. All that was running was Xscreensaver. I then tried
  again using
  X normally but with a different window manager (XFCE 4) and
  it worked for
  about an hour and then froze again.

It can also mean problems in DRI and OpenGL.

I had to remove several of the screen savers from the random list because
they would lock up my system quite reliably.

You might want to check which specific screen savers are running when the
system locks.

-a
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Re: (Warning long!) Re: X11 CVS with linux 2.6.0-test9?

2003-11-30 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 21:03, Fred Heitkamp wrote:
 On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Michel [ISO-8859-1] Dnzer wrote:
 
  On Fri, 2003-11-28 at 19:27, Fred Heitkamp wrote:
  
   name of display: :0.0
   display: :0  screen: 0
   direct rendering: No
   server glx vendor string: Brian Paul
   server glx version string: 1.4 Mesa 4.0.4
 
  Current XFree86 CVS is based on Mesa 5.0.x, it seems to be picking up
  the wrong libGL?
 
 The libOSMesa libraries as of Nov 22 seems to be the following on my
 system.

The OS stands for off-screen, it's unrelated. Start with the output of 

ldd `which glxinfo` | grep libGL.so


   (**) RADEON(0): Option AGPMode 4
 
  Have you tried lower AGP modes?
 
 No but there doesn't seem to be a problem with the 2.4.x kernels running
 on mode 4.  I will lower the mode and try disabling backing store and see
 what happens.

[...]

 I tried just leaving the display running without doing anything
 interactive with the interface and X ran for several hours before
 freezing. All that was running was Xscreensaver. I then tried again using
 X normally but with a different window manager (XFCE 4) and it worked for
 about an hour and then froze again.

But that was still at AGP 4x?


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Re: (Warning long!) Re: X11 CVS with linux 2.6.0-test9?

2003-11-29 Thread Fred Heitkamp
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Michel [ISO-8859-1] Dnzer wrote:

 On Fri, 2003-11-28 at 19:27, Fred Heitkamp wrote:
 
  name of display: :0.0
  display: :0  screen: 0
  direct rendering: No
  server glx vendor string: Brian Paul
  server glx version string: 1.4 Mesa 4.0.4

 Current XFree86 CVS is based on Mesa 5.0.x, it seems to be picking up
 the wrong libGL?

The libOSMesa libraries as of Nov 22 seems to be the following on my
system.
-rw-r--r--1 root root  160 Nov 22 10:34 libOSMesa.a
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root  809 Aug 31 00:24 libOSMesa.la
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   16 Nov 22 11:21 libOSMesa.so -
libOSMesa.so.4.0
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   16 Nov 29 13:24 libOSMesa.so.4 -
libOSMesa.so.4.0
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root  1543615 Nov 22 10:34 libOSMesa.so.4.0



  (**) RADEON(0): Option AGPMode 4

 Have you tried lower AGP modes?

No but there doesn't seem to be a problem with the 2.4.x kernels running
on mode 4.  I will lower the mode and try disabling backing store and see
what happens.



  (**) RADEON(0): Option BackingStore
  (**) RADEON(0): Backing store enabled

 BTW, do you really want to use backing store? I doubt it causes your
 problems, but it may hurt performance for local clients.


I tried just leaving the display running without doing anything
interactive with the interface and X ran for several hours before
freezing. All that was running was Xscreensaver. I then tried again using
X normally but with a different window manager (XFCE 4) and it worked for
about an hour and then froze again.


-- 
 Earthling Michel Dnzer  | Debian (powerpc), X and DRI developer
 Software libre enthusiast|   http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer



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Re: (Warning long!) Re: X11 CVS with linux 2.6.0-test9?

2003-11-28 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Fri, 2003-11-28 at 19:27, Fred Heitkamp wrote:
 
 name of display: :0.0
 display: :0  screen: 0
 direct rendering: No
 server glx vendor string: Brian Paul
 server glx version string: 1.4 Mesa 4.0.4

Current XFree86 CVS is based on Mesa 5.0.x, it seems to be picking up
the wrong libGL?


 (**) RADEON(0): Option AGPMode 4

Have you tried lower AGP modes?


 (**) RADEON(0): Option BackingStore
 (**) RADEON(0): Backing store enabled

BTW, do you really want to use backing store? I doubt it causes your
problems, but it may hurt performance for local clients.


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