Roberto Ragusa wrote:
Some more tags for functionally comparable to and the name of
some well known programs for Windows or Macintosh would let
people cope with the original names of Linux apps.
Nero - k3b, xcdroast
Adobe Illustrator - inkscape
Adobe Reader - evince, kpdf, okular
I think
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
I'm not sure a notification applet by itself is going to be the best
answer here... as people may be busy or not see the notice and a few
seconds later it goes away and they miss it.
That's why the notification should not time out unless/until the user clicks
it away!
In
On Monday, August 23, 2010 08:19:13 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
I'm not sure a notification applet by itself is going to be the best
answer here... as people may be busy or not see the notice and a few
seconds later it goes away and they miss it.
That's why the notification
The subject says it all.
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Kevin Kofler wrote:
Roberto Ragusa wrote:
Some more tags for functionally comparable to and the name of
some well known programs for Windows or Macintosh would let
people cope with the original names of Linux apps.
Nero - k3b, xcdroast
Adobe Illustrator - inkscape
Adobe Reader - evince,
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:29:38 +0800
Chen Lei wrote:
2010/8/22 Thomas Spura toms...@fedoraproject.org:
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 18:48:31 -0400
David Malcolm wrote:
[snip]
So you'll need to update the %files for python3 subpackages,
listing something like:
foo/__pycache__
to capture
The lightweight tag 'perl-Return-Value-1.666001-1.el6' was created pointing to:
846a6c5... Merge remote branch 'origin/master' into el6/master
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On Sat, 2010-08-21 at 00:46 +0400, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote:
Hi all,,
before two weeks, a discussion started in ambassadors mailing-list
about a work around to deliver the important notifications to the
fedora desktop (whatever the desktop is).
after some discussion, we started with some
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 09:00:21AM +0200, Dan Horák wrote:
Orphan ogdi
because gdal and all the geo applications, it would be good, if the
owners of packages that depend on gdal and other base geo libraries
would create a SIG or some other group to collectively maintain them
There is
Hello.
I would like to upgrade CouchDB from 0.10.2 to 0.11.2 due to the
combination of the following facts:
* Upstream canceled support for 0.10.x changing its status to
obsolete and highly encourages all users to upgrade to 0.11.2.
* There is known severe issue in 0.10.2 fixed in both 0.11.2
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 04:25:17PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
The attached list shows currently orphaned packages in F-14. If they are
not claimed by the end of next week, they will be blocked, potentially
breaking dependencies (and causing more things to be blocked...)
If you already
On Thu, 2010-08-19 at 20:10 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:51:21 +0100, Bastien wrote:
Heya,
Trying to build an updated control-center on F13, I ended up with the
following errors:
DEBUG util.py:255: Error: Package: udisks-1.0.1-1.fc13.i686 (build)
DEBUG
Compose started at Mon Aug 23 08:15:28 UTC 2010
Broken deps for x86_64
--
OpenSceneGraph-libs-2.8.3-2.fc14.i686 requires libpoppler.so.6
OpenSceneGraph-libs-2.8.3-2.fc14.x86_64 requires
libpoppler.so.6()(64bit)
On Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:45:46 pm Rex Dieter wrote:
pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
I know its been discussed in the past but there's been reasons not to
drop a default MTA but now that cronie (the last actual dependency)
has support for logging to system logs is there any reason to
perl-Config-Model has broken dependencies in the F-14 tree:
On x86_64:
perl-Config-Model-1.205-2.fc14.noarch requires perl(YAML::Any) =
0:0.303
On i386:
perl-Config-Model-1.205-2.fc14.noarch requires perl(YAML::Any) =
0:0.303
Please resolve this as soon as possible.
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perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule has broken dependencies in the F-14 tree:
On x86_64:
perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-4.fc13.noarch requires
perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.10.1)
On i386:
perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-4.fc13.noarch requires
perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.10.1)
Please resolve this as soon as
Compose started at Mon Aug 23 13:15:22 UTC 2010
Broken deps for x86_64
--
PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnarl-4.4.so
PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnat-4.4.so
PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.x86_64
On Sat, 21.08.10 17:11, Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) wrote:
I have a fstab entry like this:
/dev/sde1 /mnt/sdcard autonoexec,noauto,users,ro,sync,shortname=lower 0 0
which I use in a script to take pictures off my camera's SD card and
transfer them to my photo management system.
Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said:
So, to turn this around. Do you think this behaviour is problematic? Can
you make a good case for dropping this automatism? If so I'd be willing
to do so.
The fact that noauto in /etc/fstab is documented to not automatically
mount
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 05:19:59PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
So, to turn this around. Do you think this behaviour is problematic? Can
you make a good case for dropping this automatism? If so I'd be willing
to do so.
I guess sshfs fuse entries might be problematic, because they can
Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said:
So, to turn this around. Do you think this behaviour is problematic? Can
you make a good case for dropping this automatism? If so I'd be willing
to do so.
Yes, 'noauto' has defined semantics of 'not automatically mounted at boot';
breaking that
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php-LightweightPicasaAPI -- A lightweight API for Picasa in PHP
php-pear-File-Bittorrent2 -- Decode and encode data in Bittorrent format
Opps, that list was incorrect.
Orphaning the following packages:
fedora-security-guide-en-US -- A Guide to Securing Fedora Linux
zikula-module-MultiHook -- MultiHook is a simple replacement for the old
AutoLinks module for Zikula
zikula-module-Polls -- Simple voting system for Zikula
Fedora collection packages maintainers
Please pick up latest translation and build your package with it for
translators by 26-Aug. On 27-Aug, Release Engineering team will compose
the image for software translation review in UI. Then all language
translators will be able to review and correct
Lennart Poettering wrote:
So, to turn this around. Do you think this behaviour is problematic? Can
you make a good case for dropping this automatism? If so I'd be willing
to do so.
That behavior might be fine, but don't add filesystems marked noauto
to the list of filesystems to be mounted
On 08/23/2010 02:19 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
A lowly user view here about popups ..
Whatever we do please make it an option NOT to have any window splat
on the screen anywhere - let it stay in the system tray and not
interfere with my work.
All the popup notifications are annoying and
Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said:
Well, we took the liberty to interpret noauto a little bit differently
than you: everything marked auto will be mounted at boot, and boot
will not proceed until all devices listed as auto appeared and are fully
mounted (or things
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
i.e. auto → wait for this on boot; noauto → don't delay boot for this.
I may be wrong, but wasn't there already a bootwait and nobootwait
defined for this behavior?
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On Mon, 23.08.10 10:52, Garrett Holmstrom (gho...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
Lennart Poettering wrote:
So, to turn this around. Do you think this behaviour is problematic? Can
you make a good case for dropping this automatism? If so I'd be willing
to do so.
That behavior might be fine,
Lennart Poettering wrote:
Well, we took the liberty to interpret noauto a little bit differently
than you: everything marked auto will be mounted at boot, and boot
will not proceed until all devices listed as auto appeared and are fully
mounted (or things timed out). File systems marked as
On Mon, 23.08.10 12:23, David Michael (fedora@gmail.com) wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
i.e. auto → wait for this on boot; noauto → don't delay boot for this.
I may be wrong, but wasn't there already a bootwait and nobootwait
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 23.08.10 10:52, Garrett Holmstrom (gho...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
Lennart Poettering wrote:
So, to turn this around. Do you think this behaviour is problematic? Can
you make a good case for dropping this automatism? If so I'd be
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 05:51:30PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Well, we took the liberty to interpret noauto a little bit differently
than you: everything marked auto will be mounted at boot, and boot
will not proceed until all devices listed as auto appeared and are fully
mounted (or
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Mon, 23.08.10 12:23, David Michael (fedora@gmail.com) wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
i.e. auto → wait for this on boot; noauto → don't delay boot
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 23:03 -0700, Peter Gordon wrote:
Hi, all.
As the primary maintainer of Fedora's WebKitGTK+ stack, allow me first
to apologize for my lack of diligence here. Let me simply say that I
know now that almost maxing-out one's unit counts for a semester,
double-majoring, and
Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 23.08.10 10:52, Garrett Holmstrom (gho...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
* fstab(5) documents the noauto option
Well, what it says is that noauto results in the -a option will not
cause the filesystem to be mounted. And that's still the case. We
execute either
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:40:35PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
So, my question is serious. If we go ahead with systemd for F14, will we be
hit with an onslaught of confusion, trouble, and change? That would be good
for testing systemd, but *not awesome* for the distribution or for its
users.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:40:35PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
Is it helpful at this point if I file a bug for systemd's noauto behavior?
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626502
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On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 09:24:42PM +0200, Till Maas wrote:
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 06:49:33PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
I think run X as user Xorg if you're on KMS would be a fine
F15Feature to aim for. Ubuntu's been working on it too:
Of course, doing so just turns it from
On 08/23/2010 09:33 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said:
Well, we took the liberty to interpret noauto a little bit differently
than you: everything marked auto will be mounted at boot, and boot
will not proceed until all devices listed as
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 11:38 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
And change it. The request was pretty clear.
-Mike
Try to stay friendly, maybe ?
Lennart said at the outset that he was open to change it.
And, while this discussion rages here, he has in fact already
implemented the requested
Summary of changes:
edeb30b... Initial import (*)
e2dfdbf... Rebuilt (*)
8c1f9cb... dist-git conversion (*)
84619c7... Update to 0.04 (*)
1860b18... Initial pseudo merge for dist-git setup
(*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent
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Merge: 84619c7 bd6c025
Author: Nicolas Chauvet kwiz...@gmail.com
Date: Mon Aug 23 19:36:36 2010 +0200
Initial pseudo merge for dist-git setup
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On 8/23/10 9:27 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 23.08.10 10:52, Garrett Holmstrom (gho...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
Lennart Poettering wrote:
So, to turn this around. Do you think this behaviour is problematic? Can
you make a good case
commit ca171970a195d247807b3f568aa4e3ca8539db9a
Merge: d6cf610 9c9084e
Author: Nicolas Chauvet kwiz...@gmail.com
Date: Mon Aug 23 19:40:03 2010 +0200
Initial pseudo merge for dist-git setup
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Summary of changes:
49e81d5... Fix typo that causes a failure to update the common directo (*)
410c059... - rebuild against perl 5.10.1 (*)
76d126a... Update to 5.22 (*)
d2ce085... - Update to 5.24 (rpm version : 5.24) (*)
515d1f9... - Mass rebuild with perl-5.12.0 (*)
5705e7c... -
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 11:38 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
And change it. The request was pretty clear.
-Mike
Try to stay friendly, maybe ?
Lennart said at the outset that he was open to change it.
And, while this discussion rages here,
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:56:02 +0200
Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 23:03 -0700, Peter Gordon wrote:
Hi, all.
As the primary maintainer of Fedora's WebKitGTK+ stack, allow me
first to apologize for my lack of diligence here. Let me simply say
that
On Mon, 23.08.10 12:40, Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) wrote:
This seems like a useful behavior, but we can't just make old options have
radically different meaning -- there's really no room for interpretation.
How about having a new option called noboot, nowait, nobootwait,
There was an unexpected outage starting at 2010-08-23 17:57 UTC, which
lasted about 20 minutes
To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto
or run:
date -d '2010-08-23 17:57 UTC'
Reason for outage:
hosted01 died. Root cause still
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 08:22:16PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
This is the second such surprise that I've come across -- shutdown -r +1
of course being the other. And of course before that, the long thread about
the chkconfig and service commands. I was positively impressed by your
On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 20:10 +0200, drago01 wrote:
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Rex Dieter rdie...@math.unl.edu wrote:
pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
I know its been discussed in the past but there's been reasons not to
drop a default MTA but now that cronie (the last actual dependency)
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 11:54 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
Whatever we do please make it an option NOT to have any window splat
on the screen anywhere - let it stay in the system tray and not
interfere with my work.
It gets worse. I frequently come back to a desktop on which my
girlfriend
On 08/23/2010 02:21 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Jon Mastersjonat...@jonmasters.org wrote:
On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 20:10 +0200, drago01 wrote:
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Rex Dieterrdie...@math.unl.edu wrote:
pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
I know its
On Mon, 23.08.10 14:55, Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) wrote:
This is such a substantial change, and the system so young, that I'm really
afraid that one such cycle isn't going to be enough. I don't think it would
be a failure to say that we should leave the system as optional for F14 and
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 03:15:11PM -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
What's the benefit of having no default MTA at all? Is it that Desktop
users don't care about MTAs being installed? what about those of us who
care more about server installations than Desktop?
Given the degree to which sysadmins
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 20:37 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 03:15:11PM -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
What's the benefit of having no default MTA at all? Is it that Desktop
users don't care about MTAs being installed? what about those of us who
care more about server
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Jon Ciesla l...@jcomserv.net wrote:
On 08/23/2010 02:21 PM, pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Jon Mastersjonat...@jonmasters.org wrote:
On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 20:10 +0200, drago01 wrote:
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Rex
This has all been talked about in the past and there was even some
action taken on it. I wrote up the wiki page, but Will Woods did all
the heavy lifting. We missed our target and appear to have been side
tracked since but there aren't really many line items left before we
can pull the trigger.
pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
I know its been discussed in the past but there's been reasons not to
drop a default MTA but now that cronie (the last actual dependency)
has support for logging to system logs is there any reason to include
an MTA by default for F-14?
It would be good to define
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 09:33:26PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Well, maybe we should discuss this when we actually ran into a real
problem instead of just seeing patterns?
Seriously, don't discuss these things to death in advance.
The whole point of having these things in testing is to
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 04:15:12PM -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
It would be good to define such a nonstandard abbreviation as MTA
when posting a new thread so that more people would know what is being
discussed.
It's actually a long-standing and well-recognized term.
I think it's one of those
On 08/24/2010 01:47 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
I understand your desire to get your code out there in the real world. But
Fedora really can't afford to have a marketing-disaster release right now.
Because this is a far-reaching change to a core service, any problems people
encounter will be
Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) said:
So, I'm honestly asking: what are the odds that these few things are the
only improvements that cause a disruptive change to user interaction? I
don't think it's unreasonable to wonder if there are other changes which fit
this category.
My concern
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 15:48 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 20:37 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Given the degree to which sysadmins are religious about MTA choice, I'd
suspect that a large proportion of people who run an MTA on Fedora are
probably already swapping it out
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 04:15:12PM -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
It would be good to define such a nonstandard abbreviation as MTA
when posting a new thread so that more people would know what is being
discussed.
It's actually a
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) said:
So, I'm honestly asking: what are the odds that these few things are the
only improvements that cause a disruptive change to user interaction? I
don't think it's unreasonable to wonder if there are other
2010/8/23 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 11:03 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Why isn't this idea merged into PackageKit and the rest of the update
infrastructure, which should take care of important notifications to
users?
Or were you expecting other types of
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional
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--- Comment #5 from Kevin Fenzi ke...@tummy.com 2010-08-23 16:54:46 EDT ---
It would be best to wait and see if there is going
On Mon, 23.08.10 16:17, Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) wrote:
Oh, I have found a later meeting, from August 3rd. There, the comments
(after a brief discussion o updating the wiki):
20:05:40 nirik What do folks think on systemd? still too early to tell
if it will be ready
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On 8/23/10 1:17 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
I understand your desire to get your code out there in the real world. But
Fedora really can't afford to have a marketing-disaster release right now.
Because this is a far-reaching change to a core service,
On 08/23/2010 01:54 PM, Manuel Escudero wrote:
b) Let's test it first in Fedora and see how it goes, my idea was having
a notification system that let the user Choose between what kind of news
they wanna recieve in some part of the instalation process (trough
anaconda) so
if they want the
On Mon, 23.08.10 15:52, Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) wrote:
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) said:
So, I'm honestly asking: what are the odds that these few things are the
only improvements that cause a disruptive change to user
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 16:47 -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 04:15:12PM -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
It would be good to define such a nonstandard abbreviation as MTA
when posting a new thread so that more people
On Mon, 23.08.10 13:59, Jesse Keating (jkeat...@j2solutions.net) wrote:
On 8/23/10 1:17 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
I understand your desire to get your code out there in the real world. But
Fedora really can't afford to have a marketing-disaster release right now.
Because this is a
Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) said:
My concern with this line of thinking is that you're asking us to quantify
the unknown unknown, and define a time period of testing which is
'long enough' for us to catch all the unknown unknowns. This seems
impractical, in as much as it doesn't
On Monday, August 23, 2010 04:05:11 pm Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 23.08.10 15:52, Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) wrote:
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) said:
So, I'm honestly asking: what are the odds that these few things are
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) said:
My concern with this line of thinking is that you're asking us to quantify
the unknown unknown, and define a time period of testing which is
'long enough' for us to catch all the unknown unknowns. This
On 20 August 2010 21:25, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
The attached list shows currently orphaned packages in F-14. If they are
not claimed by the end of next week, they will be blocked, potentially
breaking dependencies (and causing more things to be blocked...)
If you already
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On 8/23/10 2:08 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Well, but why? things in F14 are jolly?
Either stop this discussion or tell me exactly which bug you think is
the one that makes you think that systemd for f14 doesn't work out?
I don't have an
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) said:
My concern with this line of thinking is that you're asking us to
quantify
the unknown unknown, and define a time period of
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 22:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 23.08.10 16:17, Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) wrote:
Oh, I have found a later meeting, from August 3rd. There, the
comments
(after a brief discussion o updating the wiki)
[snip]
[... different-topic python
Not answering Mike directly here, but the thread in general...
IMHO, it's too early to have this discussion.
Alpha has not even been released...
Instead, before:
2010-09-14 Beta Change Deadline
Features 100% Complete
We should look at the state of things and decide if we should revert
On Mon, 23.08.10 16:17, Dennis Gilmore (den...@ausil.us) wrote:
It's just risk management. I think we'd be better off acknowledging
there are unknown unknowns and try to mitigate them. One way we could
have done that this time around was making it an optional feature (as
Matt was
On Mon, 23.08.10 16:22, Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) wrote:
(yet another thing we ignored in this process). My experience has so far
been very bad with systemd so when Lennart proclaims that everything's
fine, I'm just filled with more worry.
Bugzilla ids please?
Lennart
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On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 23:05:11 +0200,
Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
I know I am repeating myself: everything's wonderful.
Maybe now, but the landing close to alpha made it harder to do some other
testing needed before the alpha. (Though the fallout from Python and Boost
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 23:30:22 +0200,
drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
Being 2 months old isn't a problem in itself ... bugs on the other
hand might be if they can't be fixed in time (this does not include
already fixed ones).
It is already too late. The bugs impacted alpha testing and
On Mon, 23.08.10 17:31, David Malcolm (dmalc...@redhat.com) wrote:
20:07:05 dmalcolm nirik: hence F15, I think
20:07:11 mclasen nirik/adamw: I know lennart was working on a bugfix
release of systemd todasy
20:07:45 nirik dmalcolm: yeah, no shame in moving it out a
On Mon, 23.08.10 16:39, Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) wrote:
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 23.08.10 16:22, Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) wrote:
(yet another thing we ignored in this process). My experience has so far
been very bad with systemd so
On 08/24/2010 03:09 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
You fixed them all so far, then got onto devel and pretended that fixed
bugs mean no bugs. So yes, to put it as directly as possible: My
experience with systemd has been absolutely horrible.
The tone of the conversation seems to have degraded again.
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On 8/23/10 2:32 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
Not answering Mike directly here, but the thread in general...
IMHO, it's too early to have this discussion.
Alpha has not even been released...
Instead, before:
2010-09-14Beta Change Deadline
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 23.08.10 16:39, Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) wrote:
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 23.08.10 16:22, Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) wrote:
(yet another thing we ignored in this process). My
On 08/24/2010 03:34 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
No you're not, you fight change at every turn and have completely
dismissed my concerns and Matt's concerns as funny. I have nothing more
to say to you on this or on Pulseaudio except to hope that systemd is as
easy to uninstall. Do what you want.
It seems to me that it is mostly sysadmins that are concerned about
systemd. That is understandable, they are the group of users that will
be most affected by the new paradigm, and will have to learn new
tricks.
Yet sysadmins are just a section of the Fedora users. For example,
people that like
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 23:47 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 23.08.10 17:31, David Malcolm (dmalc...@redhat.com) wrote:
20:07:05 dmalcolm nirik: hence F15, I think
20:07:11 mclasen nirik/adamw: I know lennart was working on a bugfix
release of systemd todasy
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 13:14 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 11:03 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Why isn't this idea merged into PackageKit and the rest of the update
infrastructure, which should take care of important notifications to
users?
Or were you expecting
Piscium píše v Po 23. 08. 2010 v 23:14 +0100:
It seems to me that it is mostly sysadmins that are concerned about
systemd. That is understandable, they are the group of users that will
be most affected by the new paradigm, and will have to learn new
tricks.
Yet sysadmins are just a section
On 08/24/2010 03:55 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Right. So the problem is to not actually break PackageKit's notification
system, not to add blue tack and scotch tape on top of it.
The proposed solution is not just for package update issues but for
general announcements that are of importance to
2010/8/23 Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz:
If non-sysadmins will hardly notice the new init system, shouldn't the
sysadmins, who will notice, be the primary consideration?
Mirek
Not IMO. Sysadmins are just one group of stakeholders. My intervention
was just to put things in perspective.
However
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