Re: question regarding Fedora packaging

2011-08-22 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
. I can continue listing examples but these 2 alone should be enough for everyone to see that the projects are departing more and more and that if you have that different goals you would hardly find common ground. Regards, Alexander Kurtakov -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: question regarding Fedora packaging

2011-08-23 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 13:24:10 Tuesday 23 August 2011 Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Lun 22 août 2011 13:42, Alexander Kurtakov a écrit : Nicolas, while this was true things have changed dramatically last year and Fedora is now what JPackage was in the past ... Fedora might even be the first to ship JBossAS7

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-24 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
to not be started until I start Amarok. Not that this is very common usage scenario but still I know at least one guy using Amarok with mysql :). Alexander Kurtakov -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: noarch vs missing deps

2011-09-16 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
this problem. But until(if) this is done I see no other way than submiting builds until they hit noppc builders. At least I do that often. Regards, Alexander Kurtakov regards. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: rawhide report: 20111016 changes - Maven versions

2011-10-17 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
.jpp.depmap.file/maven.local.depmap.file/ . The rest is just things that are not needed anymore but should not break things like defining MAVEN_REPO_LOCAL and passing it to mvn-jpp. P.S. Ville is just the last one I've seen doing that which made me writing this mail. Regards, Alexander Kurtakov -- devel

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 21:59:40 Tuesday 25 October 2011 Josh Stone wrote: On 10/25/2011 11:24 AM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: W dniu 25 października 2011 09:26 użytkownik Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com napisał: W dniu 25 października 2011 09:20 użytkownik Harald Hoyer har...@redhat.com napisał: On

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-08-30 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
packages (shame on us if we can't make our own stuff run from our packages) * Name it :) I'm pretty sure there are a number of other reasons for such SIG. Alexander Kurtakov I'll be starting Java SIG wiki page soon, plus I guess we can peruse java-devel mailing list for SIG discussions

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-08-30 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 30/08/10 15:38, Aditya Patawari wrote: snip It would be nice if we can help out newbies as well as other maintainers like me to package and maybe develop java apps. Similar, am only learning Java (1st Semester in College finished) But would like to learn to package Java apps like

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-08-30 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 30/08/10 15:38, Aditya Patawari wrote: snip It would be nice if we can help out newbies as well as other maintainers like me to package and maybe develop java apps. Similar, am only learning Java (1st Semester in College finished) But would like to learn to package Java apps like

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-08-30 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 08/30/2010 07:33 AM, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: I'm pretty sure there are a number of other reasons for such SIG. Our relationship with jpackage really needs to improve. They do a lot of packaging work, we've borrowed a lot of that work, and then diverged without contributing back

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-09-01 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
I don't currently maintain any Java packages within Fedora but I did (somewhat) build the maven2 stack for EPEL[0] and I would be interested in seeing a Java SIG happen as well as would definitely join up. Please everyone that is interested add yourself to

Re: Starting Java SIG

2010-09-02 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: * AutoQA - QA guys are struggling with their effort to get their stuff running from Fedora packages (shame on us if we can't make our own stuff run from our packages) * Name it :) At my work, first thing that happens with Java

Re: Eclipse Fedora Packager: Call for Testers and Contributors

2010-10-21 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 10/21/2010 08:10 AM, Severin Gehwolf wrote: Hi Fedora Packagers, pitch I would like to bring a new Eclipse plug-in to your attention: Eclipse Fedora Packager[1] Feedback, testing, bug reports, contributions are very much appreciated. Our Trac instance is here (use your FAS

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Ville Skyttä wrote: On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: FYI the versionless jar/javadocs files are now in the draft (thanks for the suggestion, somehow none of us thought of that) Thanks for considering it. But keep those

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 22:28 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 21:32 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 19:27

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 11/3/10 2:14 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: And it's unreasonable to expect those ISVs to change when Fedora has not managed to package a working JBoss. If the Red Hat Java packaging can not even be used with the top Red Hat Java product, what is there to say? (and on this subject, I don't

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-04 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 11/3/10 2:14 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: And it's unreasonable to expect those ISVs to change when Fedora has not managed to package a working JBoss. If the Red Hat Java packaging can not even be used with the top Red Hat Java product, what is there to say? (and on this subject, I

Re: Marking zapped bugs

2010-11-05 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
bugs makes things close to impossible to put priorities, fix and improve the situation. Alexander Kurtakov -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Marking zapped bugs

2010-11-05 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
will change the version flag. Oh and looking at a list of hundreds bugs makes things close to impossible to put priorities, fix and improve the situation. Alexander Kurtakov -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-05 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 11:58:21PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/04/2010 10:22 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: 2- ABRT should keep track of unresponsive users. If a user has an outstanding needinfo? flag for the bugs sent through ABRT, he shouldn't be able to send a new bug

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 11/06/2010 01:53 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 11/05/2010 09:46 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 17:56:51 +0100, Ralf wrote: ABRT It doesn't tell the user that core dumps without reproducer are worthless in most cases but blindly sends out reports Parts of the

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 04:17:59 +, Jóhann wrote: On 11/06/2010 02:11 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 11/05/2010 10:06 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 23:58:21 +, Jóhann wrote: On behalf of all reporters that have never received a response from a maintainer on a

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:23:00 +0200, Alexander wrote: How can you expect a maintainer to fix/respond to hundreds of bugs and not expect the user to verify his/her bug still applies? Have you noticed how many ticket EOL warnings some users receive all of a sudden? They may be able to pay

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:23:00 +0200, Alexander wrote: How can you expect a maintainer to fix/respond to hundreds of bugs and not expect the user to verify his/her bug still applies? Have you noticed how many ticket EOL warnings some users receive all of a sudden? They may be able to

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:36:24PM +0200, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:23:00 +0200, Alexander wrote: How can you expect a maintainer to fix/respond to hundreds of bugs and not expect the user to verify his/her bug still applies? Have you noticed how many

Re: Impasse on packaging JOGL and Gluegen

2010-02-28 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
Scilab?is,?in?fact,?in?advanced?packaging?stage,?waiting?for?JOGL. A lot of java packages need package from scratch or patch(this may be difficult if you are not provenpackager, since some package maintainers are non-responsive for a long while) for scliab5.2.1. Please give us the

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
? Alexander Kurtakov -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
documents to look in a different way. We are not speaking for tech savy users only and change for this type of users means you have to take care of This update broke my homework formatting or Where is that blue icon for usb devices now? and etc. Alexander Kurtakov Ralf -- devel mailing list

Re: Java Bindings for libnotify

2010-03-15 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On Monday 15 March 2010, Mat Booth wrote: Hi all, I can't find the Java bindings for libnotify -- I thought they would be in libgnome-java, but I guess not. So a couple of questions for the Gnome Desktop team: And are there plans to package java-gnome? Hi Mat, I'm not in the Gnome

Re: does fedora maven eclipse plugin work?

2010-11-17 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
m2eclipse packaged and available on Fedora? If yes please join #fedora-java on freenode.net or say so on this mailing list and I'll help as much as possible for this to become a reality. Alexander Kurtakov -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2010-11-17 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
that it should be fine if you do the changes when you have other reasons too. Alexander Kurtakov -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2010-11-19 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 07:33:18 pm Friday, November 19, 2010 Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 06:16:14PM +0200, Ville Skyttä wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: The Java Packaging Guidelines have been revised:

Re: F14: after last updates, getting Eclipse out of memory errors

2010-11-22 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
because people can use eclipse for things that even require less than the current settings. Alexander Kurtakov !ENTRY org.eclipse.ui 4 4 2010-11-20 15:47:18.005 !MESSAGE An internal error has occurred. !STACK 0 java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] orphaned packages in rawhide

2011-02-08 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 01:56:00 pm Tuesday, February 08, 2011 Mat Booth wrote: On 7 February 2011 20:59, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Each release, we undergo the effort to track down owners for orphaned packages in the release, and block those orphaned packages where necessary. It's that time

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] orphaned packages in rawhide

2011-02-08 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 01:59:44 pm Tuesday, February 08, 2011 Mat Booth wrote: On 8 February 2011 11:47, Mat Booth fed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote: On 7 February 2011 20:59, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Each release, we undergo the effort to track down owners for orphaned packages in the release, and

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Orphan removal

2011-02-23 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
not to break the requiring packages, so please claim these if your app depends on it: Orphan: pmd emacs-pmd requires pmd = 4.2.5-9.fc15 maven-pmd-plugin requires pmd = 4.2.5-9.fc15 xemacs-pmd requires pmd = 4.2.5-9.fc15 I took pmd because of maven-pmd-plugin which I maintain. Alexander

Re: Firefox 4 for f14?

2011-03-24 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 10:33:31 AM Wednesday, March 23, 2011 Nathaniel McCallum wrote: On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 16:41 -0500, Adam Miller wrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:35:55PM +0100, Joshua C. wrote: Hi, fedora is known for offering the latest and greates software and being on the edge etc. So I was

Re: WTF - Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
it. Alexander Kurtakov -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-13 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
at Fedora as a toy is really hurting a lot of feelings. Alexander Kurtakov Thanks. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd: bugreports for missing service-files

2011-06-20 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 08:17:24 AM Tuesday, June 21, 2011 Reindl Harald wrote: Am 21.06.2011 01:44, schrieb Adam Williamson: so where was the QA before the release which forbids fix the release? Well, a few things: There's no planned testing of mysql prior to release. QA does not have the resources to

Heads-up: Maven builds might be failing for some period

2011-06-23 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
Hi everyone, Fedora is transitioning to using Maven 3 by default. Up until now it was working because a lot of things were bringing maven2 into the build system. Maven2 was part of Fedora for more ~5 years - long enough time to get a lot of crap accumulated. We are slowly fixing issues as they

Re: Heads-up: Maven builds might be failing for some period

2011-06-23 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 07:38:37 PM Thursday, June 23, 2011 David Timms wrote: On 23/06/11 22:53, Alexander Kurtakov wrote: maintainers of most of the stack are slightly moving it to maven 3 only. We Hey Alex, is that supposed to be slowly ? Not really. We do it as fast as we can but we try to not break

Re: PostgreSQL 9.1 and Lucene Core for F16

2011-07-04 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 09:34:10 AM Saturday, July 02, 2011 Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, Are there any plans to provide PostgreSQL 9.1 in Fedora 16? PostgreSQL 9.1 is in beta2 now and it's scheduled for Q3 2011. It would be nice to see Lucene Core in F16. There is an old Lucene 2.9.x for F16 - the latest

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v2] Retiring packages in F-16

2011-07-14 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
On 10:51:05 Thursday 14 July 2011 Fabian Deutsch wrote: Orphan link-grammar I am taking this one. - fabiand Can we get a v3 of the packages to be retired? There seem to be enough changes in the list already. Regards, Alexander Kurtakov -- devel mailing list devel

Re: systemd vice SysV/LSB init systems - what next ?

2011-07-19 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
which is where the actual start magic is happening... FWIW, tomcat package (note the missing 6) is at version 7.x.y and ships with the systemd integration and seems to be working fine. Alexander Kurtakov JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org

Re: systemd vice SysV/LSB init systems - what next ?

2011-07-19 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
that ever worked for me. Alexander Kurtakov -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Java 7 for Fedora 16

2011-07-26 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
things). Alexander Kurtakov If the reason for asking was w.r.t re-builds, it is unlikely that most applications will need a rebuild -- only those using deprecated APIs (which would have been deprecated for years now) and private APIs would be affected. That would likely be a small subset

Re: Make pkgdb grant co-maintainer status automatically? (was Re: Non-responsive maintainer fast track procedure for libsndfile)

2010-07-06 Thread Alexander Kurtakov
grow co-maintainers without going through the complicated AWOL-process. -- sven === jabber/xmpp: s...@lankes.net -- Sounds reasonable enough to me. Regards Big +1 from me too for such change. Alexander Kurtakov -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic