Re: Adding ~/.local/bin to default PATH

2011-07-27 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 17:40 +0200, Roman Rakus wrote: Hi all, from the discussion here, I'm tempted to revert the change. Any objections? If it helps ending this discussion I'm all for it. ~/.local/bin is not worth this amount of time, regardless whether it was a good idea to begin with or

Re: aggregation of gnome tools

2011-09-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 06:03 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote: In the meanwhile, several tools have been developed for the management of my gnome or gnome3 desktop (gui or not gui based), but each time I need to use them I have to think about what tool to use: gnome-tweak-tool gconf-editor

Re: Warning todays F-16 updates-testing breaks gnome3, both glibc and glib2 are bad!

2011-09-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 18:36 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: As an alternative to downgrading glib2, one can also get a new evolution-data-server from koji: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=262721 A few more packages are affected (PackageKit, upower,...), but they are all in

Re: Responsibility for rebuilding dependent components, was: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-20 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 10:03 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: I'd like to see a rationale for jamming a soname-changing update into the OS so close to a release. In the absence of a very good motivation, that's not good engineering practice, and it's not consistent with the feature process.

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 15:47 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: There's nothing to do apart from waiting for enough complains to pile up the people in charge get past their reality denial phase. /rant This thread could have let to something constructive... but not so much anymore now, I guess.

Re: New bodhi bugfix release in production

2011-10-25 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 20:30 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: In case you hadn't noticed, response to this has so far been pretty negative. Coming from someone (me) who often does updates involving 1 pkg that sometimes require removing/adding components after initial submission, I very much

Re: Another glibc change that nearly got pushed into F16

2011-10-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 16:12 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:06:31AM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gmacros.h:32:2: error: #error Only glib.h can be included directly. or close variants of that. I assume this is another manifestation of the

GLib header change in rawhide

2011-10-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
It was pointed out that some changes in GLib 2.31 may cause some fallout and may be worth calling out explicitly: - it is no longer possible to include individual headers. If your package runs into this problem, just replace the problematic includes with #include glib.h - a number of

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2011-11-03 at 23:09 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: But based on what they've said in the past, I expect that once most hardware that previously needed the fallback mode is covered, fallback mode will die. AIUI, fallback mode isn't meant to be a GNOME 2-by-stealth for Shell

Re: Libs with applications

2011-11-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2011-11-22 at 11:46 +0100, Karel Zak wrote: Yes, typical problem is (usually) completely broken .pc (pkg-config) file. My experience is that developers don't have a clue about 'Requires.private' pkg-config field and they add all libraries to 'Requires' or 'Libs', so then binaries are

clutter/cogl bump in rawhide

2011-11-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
Just a quick note: I've built clutter 1.9.2 and cogl 1.9.2 in rawhide. Both have changes sonames, and rebuilds will be required. Matthias -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: orphaning gdk-pixbuf

2011-12-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2011-12-05 at 15:25 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Are you sure your not referring to gdk-pixbuf2? I really suspect so. the gdk-pixbuf package is the gtk+ one in fedora. it's last release was december 2002. Yes, gdk-pixbuf2 is not going away. gdk-pixbuf is the gtk1-era

Re: Is PulseAudio dead?

2010-08-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 03:23 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: It also shows that KDE SIG actually has more and/or more efficient packaging (as opposed to upstream development) manpower than the GNOME folks, unlike what has been frequently claimed. I was on vacation for two weeks, but I'm back

Re: F14 gnome-control-panel appearance

2010-08-04 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 05:01 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: Is this hidden somewhere, missing or not included any longer? I can't seem to find it at all. Parts of it will reappear soon, in different form. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: WebKit(s) SIG

2010-08-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 16:45 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: If you're interested in - please reply, I'd like to start Wiki page and we can talked about more details etc. Hey, thanks for taking this initiative. Since I recently made the mess bigger by creating a webkitgtk3 package, I should

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] orphaned packages in F-14

2010-08-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 12:32 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Unblocked orphan librsvg2 I've taken ownership of this now, since dropping it is not an option. If anybody else wants to maintain the package, please let me know, I'm happy to give it up to good hands. -- devel mailing list

Re: Get rid of file requires outside of the primary paths

2010-08-19 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-08-19 at 07:41 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 07:29:35PM -0700, Matt McCutchen wrote: On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 22:43 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 08:02:13AM -0400, seth vidal wrote: I am a libguestfs user and I'm

Re: broken dependencies caused by GNOME bouncing between 3 and 2.x without any advance notice

2010-08-19 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-08-19 at 16:24 +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: Dear GNOME maintainers, I would appreciate it if you announced changes that cause broken dependencies. Ah, so you admit to not reading FESCo summaries :-). On a more serious note: I'm sorry for the inconvenience. This

Re: systemd and filesystems with noauto

2010-08-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 11:38 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: And change it. The request was pretty clear. -Mike Try to stay friendly, maybe ? Lennart said at the outset that he was open to change it. And, while this discussion rages here, he has in fact already implemented the requested

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 23:06 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Hey Bill, this is a very good initial list, this should make it very easy for QA to whip up a test plan for systemd. Some comments below. BOOTUP - System boots successfully to GUI, when configured. - System boots successfully to text

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 10:19 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: My previous objection was based on the precedent it sets. I don't want a Desktop distribution in Fedora. I want a server-usable distribution. Sure, it's just a dep and one can go install an MTA. But today it's killing the MTA, tomorrow

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-25 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 23:31 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: I'm going to be blunt. I DON'T CARE. Yay, thanks that you don't care. You are aware that by putting everything on a single man's shoulders and then telling him you don't care you make him feel really welcome and make him wonder

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-25 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 19:32 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 01:29:20AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Note that I have now changed git upstream to preferably return 3 or 5 if multiple different answers would make sense. This should avoid most problems with scripts

Re: If you cannot boot after installing systemd v8...

2010-08-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 01:58 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Heya! We shifted a few files around and most likely your /etc/systemd/system/default.target link will now point into the void, in case anaconda wrote it. If that happens to you and you end up in a rescue shell instead of a full

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010-08-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 06:30 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: 3. keep a history of the notifications 4. max. number of notifications at the time 5. click able notifications 6. stackable notifications I think that, at least on KDE, you really want to leave that stuff

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-27 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 16:37 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: Ah yes, attack the symptom and not the disease. Yay. Let me let you in on a secret. Most people (and by which I mean, those not on this list) generally don't like re-installing or upgrading their computer every 6 months. People install

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 09:11 -0400, seth vidal wrote: On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 17:27 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 09/07/2010 05:16 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: Linux has traditionally shown the user packages to update and install, which is great for administrators, but sucks hard for end

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 09:39 -0400, seth vidal wrote: On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 14:17 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: On 7 September 2010 14:11, seth vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: okay - I'll bite - why do we want to make it less distro-specific? For the same reason as pirut and pup

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 18:20 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le mardi 07 septembre 2010 à 09:51 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit : It gets us translations that we would not otherwise have, and it gets us integration in the rest of the desktop, like automatic font or codec installation

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-14 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 18:57 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I hope you still read it. I have some advice for you, which of course you're welcome to take or leave: Please don't take everything personally. I don't see how Lennart is taking anything personally here. He is merely expressing his

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 09:03 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: On 14 September 2010 23:01, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: 21:33:35 nirik The other 2 items I had were: 21:33:56 nirik application installer issues 21:33:57 nirik https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=488968 21:34:04 nirik

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 09:14 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2010, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 14:27 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Personally, I'm very sad because of deferring systemd to F15. It may cause slipping of SysV-free Fedora to F16, full year wait

Re: F15 buildroot broken

2010-09-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 22:10 +, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:36:15 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: DEBUG util.py:260: Transaction Check Error: DEBUG util.py:260:file /usr/lib/girepository-1.0/DBusGLib-1.0.typelib conflicts between attempted installs of

New gobject-introspection in rawhide

2010-09-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
We've built gobject-introspection 0.9.6 in rawhide today. This version changes the format of .gir files, making it necessary to rebuild all packages that install gir files. I've started doing those rebuilds, but I didn't get entirely through, so there will be some fallout in tomorrows rawhide. --

Re: Does anybody know how to contact David Zeuthen (festival maintainer)?

2010-10-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 20:45 +0330, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote: Hi, Considering the fact that the maintainer is not responsible for a long time, I'd like to ask if anybody knows how to contact David Zeuthen?! Festival seems to be unmaintained for more than a year. But it has many commiters

Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 10:48 -0400, Chris Lumens wrote: Useless waste of time. Just grab Ubuntu iso and see a stunning gap in both technology and usability between anaconda and their own installed. Does the Ubuntu installer support installing to iscsi? Multipath? CCISS? Fully automated

coming libnotify bump

2010-11-01 Thread Matthias Clasen
I am planning to push libnotify 0.7.0 into rawhide by the end of this week; this is going to be a little painful, since there are some api changes that will require minor adjustment of all users. And there's quite a few of them (see below). I will hopefully be able to handle most of the GNOME

Re: coming libnotify bump

2010-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 11:33 -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: Matthias, this seems like it will break the python bindings... will you be fixing them at the same time? I can certainly not do it all by myself. At least not in one day... Looking at notify-python, it seems that running update-defs

Re: coming libnotify bump

2010-11-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 21:12 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: I am planning to push libnotify 0.7.0 into rawhide by the end of this week; this is going to be a little painful, since there are some api changes that will require minor adjustment of all users. And there's quite a few of them (see

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 02:11 +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: Interesting move: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/551 Has anyone looked into bringing Wayland to Fedora? If not this might be the right time getting involved in the discussion. http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ Until

Re: Multilib issue with hard-coded paths in mash script

2010-11-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sun, 2010-11-07 at 00:43 +0100, Christian Krause wrote: Hi, The whole issue raises now some questions: 1. Specifically with respect to the problem with gdk-pixbuf: Should the gdk-pixbuf loaders be multilib or not? If yes, the mash script must be adjusted. 2. Should the mash script be

Re: Compiz

2012-10-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2012-10-05 at 14:58 +0200, Rave it wrote: Hi, i've re-retired the compiz package. There are some old user acl's for rawhide. [...] Are you really interest to keep your acl's for compiz? Pls reply, otherwise i assume i can delete your rights. You can delete them all. They're

Re: What are reasonable blockers for making journald the default logger in F19?

2012-10-25 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - And, in order for the implementation to really be a *win* for Fedora, it would be great if we could coordinate: - integration with every log analysis tool tool we ship (for some tools, a crude implementation may just be dumping in the output of

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 17:04 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: You proposal may work *if* GNOME people take care to respect it. Otherwise — yes the nuclear option is to only distribute GNOME releases that were ready at branch time and could be stabilised during all the Fedora test releases. It may

Re: Attention, dependency fighters

2012-11-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 14:18 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: FYI, re: firewalld minimal install. firewalld isn't in the minimal comps groups. However, it's pulled in by anaconda, see pyanaconda/install.py: # anaconda requires storage packages in order to make sure the target #

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 18:15 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Again, this isn't an accident, it's a very deliberate plan. One of the whole points of the Fedora philosophy is that we're supposed to share and reuse work and code as much as possible. We're not supposed to write five independent

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - So, talking about specific actions... I have recently had to search all existing polkit policies. This is no longer possible to automate because various packages ship the JavaScript policy, so I had to review those by hand. It seems that (perhaps with the

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-13 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - Miloslav Trmač wrote: I have recently had to search all existing polkit policies. This is no longer possible to automate because various packages ship the JavaScript policy, so I had to review those by hand. It seems that (perhaps with the exception of

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-14 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Matthew Miller If David is unwilling to just resurrect the old .pkla parser, one option for solving the problem might be writing a piece of code that would provide compatibility with the .pkla files. This could be (the

Re: Resurrecting deprecated system-config-network package for the time being

2012-11-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 17:51 +0100, Nils Philippsen wrote: Hi, as nmcli doesn't yet offer all functionality s-c-network-tui had for configuring networks on the command line, I want to resurrect system-config-network for the time being, i.e. until nmcli (or other tools) fill the gaps. I plan

Re: Fedora 18 laptop regression

2013-01-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - On Sat, 05.01.13 22:54, alex...@hushmail.com (alex...@hushmail.com) wrote: GNOME on F18 takes the lock and handles the lid switch on its own. You can verify that with systemd-inhibit --list. OT There is almost nothing you can configure with GUI in GNOME and

Re: Fedora 18 laptop regression

2013-01-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - And is it possible to disable suspend on lid close but still have GNOME lock the screen on lid close? No? Didn't think so... With the lid closed, your session will go idle, which will eventually cause the screen to lock. -- devel mailing list

wayland and broadway support in gtk

2013-01-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
Hi, I'm tentatively planning to enable the Wayland and Broadway backends in GTK+ for f19. From a quick test build, this adds 3 library dependencies to gtk (libwayland-client, libwayland-cursor and libxkbcommon), and the size of libgdk grows from ~550k to ~700k. I think this is not a terrible

Re: wayland and broadway support in gtk

2013-01-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com As for which apps work ... everyone that does not do direct X calls should work (i.e no direct dependence on X11). Yeah, exactly. One of my goals with enabling this now is finding out about

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - = Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop = I submit the proposition that it is easier for a user doing a new Fedora install to start with a traditional desktop, and switch to the Gnome Shell if they prefer that, than to start with Gnome Shell and switch to a

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-01-28 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message - Some facts: - Cinnamon started out as 'using GNOME components', but it is not a full fork of mutter, gnome-shell and nautilus, at least, and bug-fixes are not going either way... Did you mean ... but it is now a full fork... ? Yes, thats what I meant.

Re: Command line arguments depend on locale

2013-01-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
- Original Message Right, output should be locale specific. Input command line args... seems specious. Until you put a pipe between and turn the outputs of command a into inputs of command b... -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

polkit changes in f19

2013-01-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
I just realized that there is a change to the way polkit is packaged in f19 that spin maintainers should be aware of: the polkit package is just the service, which only provides the default policy as specified in the action definitions now. If you want or need support for js rules, you need to

Re: Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 13:48 +, Caolán McNamara wrote: On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 07:27 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: - Removing gmfsk also removes: This one is now fixed. - Removing gnome-scan also removes: There's a patch logged against this now FWIW

libxklavier bump

2010-01-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
I am going to build libxklavier 5.0 in rawhide, which bumps the soname, and also contains a small api change. The following packages will have to be rebuilt: gnome-settings-daemon gdm control-center kdebase-workspace libgnomekbd gnome-applets xfce4-xkb-plugin gnome-screensaver python-xklavier

gnome-desktop bump

2010-01-17 Thread Matthias Clasen
I'm going to build gnome-desktop 2.29.5 in rawhide, which bumps the soname of libgnome-desktop-2.so. Affected packages are: avant-window-navigator awn-extras-applets cheese compiz-gnome control-center deskbar-applet eel2 eog evolution evolution-bogofilter evolution-conduits galeon gnome-applets

Re: Upcoming Fedora 13 Tasks - install images

2010-01-28 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 09:40 -0800, John Reiser wrote: How far away do we appear to be from having an installable rawhide? Any help needed there? I created install DVDs for myself last Saturday through Tuesday (Jan.23-26). Yesterday (Jan.27) the installed system broke because hald gets an

Re: Upcoming Fedora 13 Tasks - install images

2010-01-28 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 13:04 -0500, Will Woods wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 12:52 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 09:40 -0800, John Reiser wrote: How far away do we appear to be from having an installable rawhide? Any help needed there? I created install DVDs

Re: pkg-config standards for .pc file location?

2010-02-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 19:04 -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote: I work on another open-source project that is considering using pkg-config, and we are trying to establish standards. I found the guidelines for how to package .pc files in Fedora (and EPEL), but I'm curious if there are Fedora or Red

Re: LD Changes To Implicit DSO Linking Update

2010-02-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2010-02-16 at 15:57 +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: On 02/09/10 09:06, Richard Hughes wrote: On 8 February 2010 22:46, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: As a result, you'll be causing dozens of FTBFS bugs just before the feature freeze. I think this is entirely the wrong time

Re: Heads up: X server configuration changes

2010-02-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2010-02-16 at 17:40 +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: That's how i understand the change. Like do it right and move everything to /etc/xorg.conf.d/* Maybe i could have said that in the first place. My bad. The main reason for continuing to read the monolithic xorg.conf file is for

Re: Fedora 13 has been branched!!

2010-02-17 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 10:04 +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote: This means that large updates like Gnome, KDE or Xfce will get massively delayed after alpha. They might not make it into one of the prereleases, which means they get less testing. A lot of features will no longer be possible in

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-02-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 13:16 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: I think banning stable pushes is the right idea. None of your reasons is very convincing. * A regression which causes big breakage at least for some people slipped through testing for whatever reason. We urgently want the fix to get out

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-02-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 10:28 -0500, Paul Wouters wrote: On Fri, 26 Feb 2010, Chris Adams wrote: EPEL has run this way for a while, and it doesn't seem to be a problem. EPEL does not have a 6 month release cycle :) The 6 month release cycle means you need to hurry to get your stuff into

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-02-26 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 01:36 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: If I want lots of updates, I'd use rawhide. That doesn't fit the requirements of the group of users I think we should target (of which I'm part, but I can assure you I'm far from the only one in that group). Rawhide is frequently

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-01 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 11:47 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jon Masters wrote: One thing I would suggest being considered in an alternative proposal is a compromise policy for specific stacks or non-critical path packages. For example, if the standard policy affecting me as a GNOME user is that

Font rendering in F13

2010-03-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
Hey, early in the F13 cycle, we enabled the bytecode interpreter in our freetype package, since the patents on that have expired last fall. Unfortunately, it turned out that many free fonts don't actually benefit from this, and actually look worse with the bci. The reason for that is that

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 23:45 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: Also important, Matthew even fills a FESCo seat. Proposals like that are not what I expect from FESCo members. I'm severely disappointing. Just to even things out: I am very happy with this proposal, and it is exactly what I expect

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 08:51 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: We get the users we aim for. Not really true. We don't aim at all, and we only get the users that can bear to stay with us... Here's the camps I see: 1. One group wants us to aim for mom/pop/grandma/desktop users - the apple market or

Re: Meeting summary/minutes for 2010-03-09 FESCo meeting

2010-03-10 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 15:51 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: It surprised me to see FESCo fight like that in a meeting. Some members are beside themselves in rage. Steering is hard, let's go shopping. Whether someone is 'besides themselves in rage' is really hard to infer from an irc log. I

Re: Meeting summary/minutes for 2010-03-09 FESCo meeting

2010-03-10 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 13:08 +0100, Till Maas wrote: Afaics this does not affect some minor issue, but a fundamental reason why package maintainer decided to become Fedora package maintainers. No volunteer package maintainer is in general forced to create updates and I am very sure that the

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 16:07 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Fedora CURRENTLY does NOT provide any ABI guarantees. There ARE ALREADY updates which change the ABI (you recognize them as they are normally grouped with rebuilds of other stuff for the bumped ABI). The people who want to change

Re: Update testing policy: how to use Bodhi

2010-03-27 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 08:19 +, Terry Barnaby wrote: I'm not sure if your usage policy covers changes to Bodhi, but how about the system emailing the upstream developers (direct and/or email lists) when a release is made available for testing/release and also on any problems found ? I

Re: Upstream bugs vs. Fedora bugs: KDE people do it wrong

2010-03-29 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 15:10 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: But still bugs are fixed by program developers not Fedora developers. IMO 'Fedora developers' (really, what you mean here are packagers, I guess) should strive to become 'program developers' for the packages they maintain. Getting

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 18:05 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: Does this all sound reasonable? Did I miss something? There are a few complications here: currently, both gnome-session and gdm explicitly require polkit-gnome. gdm has to require it explicitly, since it needs to install a separate

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 14:19 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Christoph Wickert wrote: 3. lxpolkit will be pulled in anyway due to the shortest name. That's not a useful decision rationale. I never said it is a useful decision rationale, it's something we cannot

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 14:02 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 20:13 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 13:37 -0400 schrieb Bill Nottingham: Christoph Wickert (christoph.wick...@googlemail.com) said: Suggestion: GNOME and KDE use their

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 15:38 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 17:56 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: Just what do you want to strip out here ? Nothing; Christoph indicated his worry was not about current deps but future ones, and my suggestion was just that the agent make

Re: Proposal: AppData files in all application packages?

2013-09-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2013-09-09 at 23:08 +0300, Elad Alfassa wrote: 3.10 *will* support localization. Patches already landed. https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/commit/?id=5b5d58c4abde7229f39246ccf3e42bb04d68bd15

Re: Proposal: AppData files in all application packages?

2013-09-11 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2013-09-11 at 12:46 -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: Any questions, either grab me on irc 'hughsie' or reply to this email. Be sure to read [1] as a lot of common questions are answered there. I have one question, if the data is shipped in the packages how is it supposed to get to the

Re: Proposal: AppData files in all application packages?

2013-09-13 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2013-09-12 at 17:39 -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: So I am confused. In your request to legal you say Release Engineering asked for legal to okay it. However I dont remember ever asking you to get legal's okay. Who in releng asked you to? nirik I'm going to not continue this, because

Re: gtk3 broken/missing icons on kde

2013-10-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-10-19 at 14:01 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Hi folks, and welcome to the Fedora 20 Beta blocker bug news... can't find any criteria currently that covers application icons (though do mention it if such a thing exists)... At issue here are gtk3

Re: $HOME/.local/bin in $PATH

2013-10-28 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 16:27 -0500, Michael Ekstrand wrote: I don't know where, if anywhere, this behavior is specified. It's just what the Python package installation tools do. I haven't seen any other program do this, for better or worse. jhbuild [1] installs itself in $HOME/.local/bin

Re: $HOME/.local/bin in $PATH

2013-10-28 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 22:50 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.10.2013 22:48, schrieb Matthias Clasen: On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 16:27 -0500, Michael Ekstrand wrote: I don't know where, if anywhere, this behavior is specified. It's just what the Python package installation tools do. I

Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime ?

2013-10-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 12:13 +0100, Tim Lauridsen wrote: I have tested gnome-software to see the current state, compaired to gpk in F19, there is a lot stuff there cant be done. 1. You cant install backgrounds / icons It is an application installer, first and foremost. Installing

Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime ?

2013-10-31 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 14:31 +0100, Tim Lauridsen wrote: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2013-10-31 at 12:13 +0100, Tim Lauridsen wrote: I have tested gnome-software to see the current state, compaired

Re: Fedora Working Groups: Call for Self-Nominations

2013-11-01 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 04:40 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Bill Nottingham wrote: And I would argue that having the user interface swing wildly in design implementation based on the current composition of an elected board that is refreshed in part every six months is not the sort of situation

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-01 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 10:05 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 09:58:19AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: Speaking purely for myself and my own usage, I think this distinction makes plenty of sense. Except I don't even really want the old packagekit tools. If I'm looking for

Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime ?

2013-11-01 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 15:00 +0100, Tim Lauridsen wrote: On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Pete Travis li...@petetravis.com wrote: Hmm... It sounds like yumex would be much more discoverable if it included an appdata file :) Done,

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 18:22 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 02.11.2013 18:16, schrieb Michael Catanzaro: The other change I want is for PackageKit to download updates weekly by default. Currently updates come daily, but daily offline updates would be completely absurd. All we have to do to

Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime ?

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 18:33 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 11:01 +, Richard Hughes wrote: Sure. GNOME is a complete desktop, not a collection of packages designed to be replaced. Personally, I see little benefit in prohibiting users from removing core

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 12:01 -0500, Jon wrote: Do the codes only apply to WebRTC consumers, or can these be used in other context? For example Gnome has ctrl+alt+shift+R to screen-cast, which saves in webM format. Could that switch to whatever h.264 format with Cisco bits? Why ? Is there any

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 13:28 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 13:55:47 -0400, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 12:01 -0500, Jon wrote: Do the codes only apply to WebRTC consumers, or can these be used in other context? For example

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 17:46 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: So, really, it's this related point that I'm concerned about now. We _need_ to do these things in coordination, not just push a situation into F20 where we are telling our users to reboot everyday -- that's a pretty bad user experience.

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-02 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 18:38 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 06:21:34PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: So, really, it's this related point that I'm concerned about now. We _need_ to do these things in coordination, not just push a situation into F20 where we

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