Re: /usr/share/xsessions and window manager
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Germán A. Racca german.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christopher, I fail to see what is the wrong location in your opinion. Do you think that a window manager should install its desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions or in /usr/share/applications? Hi, From the GNOME sysadmin guide I found that window managers desktop file should be handled underneath /usr/share/xsessions, but the state now is that there are some packages install that file to /usr/share/applications, so I'm puzzled now. Thanks. -- Yours sincerely, Christopher Meng Fєdоґa ї₴ al$о a кїпd оf нaт lїкє Яёd Haт. http://cicku.me -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: /usr/share/xsessions and window manager
On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 11:23 +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: Hi, Yesterday I reviewed a package notion, which is a new window manager(new to fedorian), it installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsession. Interesting, when I looking into more window manager in Fedora, I found that: openbox installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions pekwm installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions dwm installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions ratpoison installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions fvwm installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions sawfish installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions icwm installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions enlightenment installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions awesome installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions - fluxbox installs desktop file to /usr/share/applications xmonad installs desktop file to /usr/share/applications i3 installs desktop file to /usr/share/applications mutter installs desktop file to /usr/share/applications byobu installs desktop file to /usr/share/applications So I think that maybe these have been doing wrong for years? Should I file RFE for these? No. These files serve different purposes. Files in /usr/share/applications are to make applications known to the desktop shell (the fact that mutter installs a desktop file there is more or less a historic remnant - we could probably remove it without harm). Files in /usr/share/xsessions tell the display manager which sessions to offer to the user on the login screen. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: /usr/share/xsessions and window manager
On 11/18/2013 06:23 AM, Christopher Meng wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Germán A. Racca german.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christopher, I fail to see what is the wrong location in your opinion. Do you think that a window manager should install its desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions or in /usr/share/applications? Hi, From the GNOME sysadmin guide I found that window managers desktop file should be handled underneath /usr/share/xsessions, but the state now is that there are some packages install that file to /usr/share/applications, so I'm puzzled now. Thanks. -- Yours sincerely, Christopher Meng Fєdоґa ї₴ al$о a кїпd оf нaт lїкє Яёd Haт. http://cicku.me I maintain two window managers, pekwm and jwm, and both packages install desktop files in /usr/share/xsessions, which seems the right place to me, because they will appear as options in the login screen. All the best, -- Germán A. Racca Fedora Package Maintainer https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Skytux -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: /usr/share/xsessions and window manager
On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 08:06 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 11:23 +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: Hi, Yesterday I reviewed a package notion, which is a new window manager(new to fedorian), it installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsession. Interesting, when I looking into more window manager in Fedora, I found that: openbox installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions pekwm installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions dwm installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions ratpoison installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions fvwm installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions sawfish installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions icwm installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions enlightenment installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions awesome installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions - fluxbox installs desktop file to /usr/share/applications xmonad installs desktop file to /usr/share/applications i3 installs desktop file to /usr/share/applications mutter installs desktop file to /usr/share/applications byobu installs desktop file to /usr/share/applications So I think that maybe these have been doing wrong for years? Should I file RFE for these? No. These files serve different purposes. Files in /usr/share/applications are to make applications known to the desktop shell (the fact that mutter installs a desktop file there is more or less a historic remnant - we could probably remove it without harm). Files in /usr/share/xsessions tell the display manager which sessions to offer to the user on the login screen. I think Christopher's point was that, given the nature of fluxbox, xmonad, i3, mutter and byobu (they're all window managers), he'd expect them to put a .desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions , not one in /usr/share/applications . You've explained the mutter case - its .desktop file in /usr/share/applications is not the session definition for Mutter-based X sessions, that'd be the GNOME session of course, and its /usr/share/applications file is something else that can probably die. But it does still leave the other cases to be explained. fluxbox appears to provide both a session definition file and an application file: /usr/share/xsessions/fluxbox.desktop /usr/share/applications/fluxbox.desktop So does xmonad: xmonad-basic contains the xsessions file, xmonad-core contains the applications file. i3 also contains both. byobu is the only one which appears to _only_ contain an applications file, but I've no idea what byobu is or whether that's sane. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: /usr/share/xsessions and window manager
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 01:41:22PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: byobu is the only one which appears to _only_ contain an applications file, but I've no idea what byobu is or whether that's sane. IIRC, byobu is not an X1 window manager. It's more like an enhancement or pre-configuration of screen/tmux. -Toshio pgpbVEhoYGbKr.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: /usr/share/xsessions and window manager
On 11/18/2013 01:23 AM, Christopher Meng wrote: Hi, Yesterday I reviewed a package notion, which is a new window manager(new to fedorian), it installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsession. Interesting, when I looking into more window manager in Fedora, I found that: openbox installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions pekwm installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions dwm installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions ratpoison installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions fvwm installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions sawfish installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions icwm installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions enlightenment installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions awesome installs desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions - fluxbox installs desktop file to /usr/share/applications xmonad installs desktop file to /usr/share/applications i3 installs desktop file to /usr/share/applications mutter installs desktop file to /usr/share/applications byobu installs desktop file to /usr/share/applications So I think that maybe these have been doing wrong for years? Should I file RFE for these? Thanks. -- Yours sincerely, Christopher Meng Fєdоґa ї₴ al$о a кїпd оf нaт lїкє Яёd Haт. http://cicku.me Hi Christopher, I fail to see what is the wrong location in your opinion. Do you think that a window manager should install its desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions or in /usr/share/applications? All the best, Germán. -- Germán A. Racca Fedora Package Maintainer https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Skytux -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
