On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 10:21:35 -0600
Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 7:33 am, James Szinger
> wrote:
> > Undelivered -devel packages and modularity are killer anti-features
> > of EL 8—it is way too hard to build the software I need.
>
> Honestly I don't think modularity is
On Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 08:44:37AM -0700, Ken Dreyer wrote:
> It's too early to say that this hypothetical workflow is a replacement for
> Fedora. Things still show up in RHEL 8 ahead of CentOS Stream.
I don't suggest that it's a replacement, but it can be complementary.
>
> A strong Fedora
On Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 11:41:01AM +0100, p...@uni-bremen.de wrote:
> Well, where should we discuss further proceedings? Is it this generic
> devel list, is it ser...@lists.fedoraproject.org? Another one?
Yes, let's take it to that list. Everyone interested, join us over there. :)
--
Matthew
On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 7:33 am, James Szinger
wrote:
Undelivered -devel packages and modularity are killer anti-features of
EL 8—it is way too hard to build the software I need.
Honestly I don't think modularity is a serious problem for end users.
Missing -devel packages is unbelievably
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 3:25 PM Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 02:16:23PM -0800, Japheth Cleaver wrote:
> > be a better-engineered and tested option. But as time goes on and
> > the next EL release isn't either isn't announced or isn't stable
> > enough to rely on, Fedora Server
> Am 04.12.2020 um 20:33 schrieb Matthew Miller :
>
>> ...
>> Just in case it is indeed considered useful and desirable I could
>> contribute various Fedora Server related/specific documentations and
>> how-to's, e.g. an annotated step-by-step guide to setup a basic server
>> which can get
On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 01:24:22 +0100
p...@uni-bremen.de wrote:
> I see advantages sui generis in Fedora Server over CentOS, not "just"
> an interim solution or workaround until the next CentOS version is
> released. You get (almost) all the positive features that make CentOS
> /RHEL stand out (well
> Am 04.12.2020 um 23:16 schrieb Japheth Cleaver :
>
> On 12/4/2020 12:35 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>> For the people who were using it as servers, it was split between getting
>> ready for the next RHEL/CentOS they would be deploying, they needed packages
>> which were
> Am 04.12.2020 um 20:33 schrieb Matthew Miller :
>
> On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 07:53:12PM +0100, p...@uni-bremen.de wrote:
>> Just in case it is indeed considered useful and desirable I could
>> contribute various Fedora Server related/specific documentations and
>> how-to's, e.g. an annotated
On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 02:16:23PM -0800, Japheth Cleaver wrote:
> be a better-engineered and tested option. But as time goes on and
> the next EL release isn't either isn't announced or isn't stable
> enough to rely on, Fedora Server probably sees more use as a
> quasi-stable release base.. This
On 12/4/2020 12:35 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
Anecdata which is as 'useful' as any other.
Most of the people I have dealt with in the last 4 years with Server
have been using it mainly as a replacement for the Everything DVD and
because it was the most 'un-opinionated' release of
Am 04.12.20 um 21:35 schrieb Stephen John Smoogen:
Anecdata which is as 'useful' as any other.
just some additional experience from my side:
- Fedora provides a recent PHP (unlike RHEL 7) but also ships the full PHP stack
required to run popular PHP applications like WordPress/NextCloud/...
On Friday, 04 December 2020 at 20:51, Josh Boyer wrote:
[...]
> For those using it for traditional server use cases, why? What about
> it do you find better than something like CentOS?
Here are my reasons, in no particular order:
1. Because that's what I use on my desktops.
2. Because latest
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 15:17, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 02:51:45PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
> > It would be interesting if we had a set of use cases Fedora Server
> > actually solves. So far in this thread we've seen people use it, but
> > it reads to me like they use it to
On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 02:51:45PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
> It would be interesting if we had a set of use cases Fedora Server
> actually solves. So far in this thread we've seen people use it, but
> it reads to me like they use it to get a boiled down installation of
> Fedora. So is Fedora
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 2:33 PM Matthew Miller wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 07:53:12PM +0100, p...@uni-bremen.de wrote:
> > I’m not a maintainer but I use Fedora Server for a lot of our university
> > research institutions infrastructure (and I’m a dormant member of Fedora
> > docs).
> >
> >
On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 07:53:12PM +0100, p...@uni-bremen.de wrote:
> I’m not a maintainer but I use Fedora Server for a lot of our university
> research institutions infrastructure (and I’m a dormant member of Fedora
> docs).
>
> Just in case it is indeed considered useful and desirable I could
> Am 04.12.2020 um 19:08 schrieb Matthew Miller :
>
> It's not a matter of making changes for change's own sake, but I would hope
> that we'd have some level of innovation and experimentation in Fedora
> Server. There are also just normal things like marketing materials,
> promotion, blog
On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 11:59:17AM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > No one is talking about making it go away, just de-editioning it. I'd
> > definitely prefer it to remain an edition, but we need it to be more active
> > for that to work.
> Having an active team is one thing, but making changes just
I'm not part of the server WG, but a super interested user. Count me in to
help if needed.
Br,
El vie, 4 dic 2020 a las 14:00, Neal Gompa () escribió:
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 11:49 AM Matthew Miller
> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 10:03:24AM +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> > > I
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 11:49 AM Matthew Miller wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 10:03:24AM +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> > I agree, sign me up! I've been using Fedora Server for years for my
> > own projects and it's been 99.9% flawless, so I would be sad if it
> > went away.
>
> No one is
On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 10:03:24AM +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> I agree, sign me up! I've been using Fedora Server for years for my
> own projects and it's been 99.9% flawless, so I would be sad if it
> went away.
No one is talking about making it go away, just de-editioning it. I'd
definitely
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 6:48 PM Ben Cotton wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2020-12-02 at 11:14 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> > There were a number of people interested in helping with reviving the
> > Server WG, myself included. But we don't know how to have that move
> > forward. We've never really had a
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 12:52 PM Ben Cotton wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2020-12-02 at 11:14 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> > There were a number of people interested in helping with reviving the
> > Server WG, myself included. But we don't know how to have that move
> > forward. We've never really had a
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