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Hello Hermant,
1. Would the dotconf project benefit from a generic python program
that allows to read/editparameters within a dotconf file?
I can't speak for DotConf, but Speech Dispatcher would surely benefit.
I'm now working on a simple python tool that would guide
the user
Am 07.07.2008 um 06:41 schrieb Bryan Berry:
seamful approach sounds workable to me
This is a very productive discussion!
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From: Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: devel@lists.laptop.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Seamless
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2121
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+ Implement the
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 12:28:03AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
[seamless/seamful thoughts]
Questions?
seamless and seamful seem very wooly words. Are they, in this
context, well-defined? Seem dangerously like defining-away the
argument.
Assuming they are well defined, when I read
* a
Hemant Goyal wrote:
Hi,
We want to run the speech-dispatcher daemon service on the XO for providing
a speech synthesis environment in the laptop. For our purpose we want to
modify the configuration file of speech-dispatcher in
/etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf from sugar-control panel.
On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:52 AM, Martin Dengler wrote:
1. It's clearly academic, as in the rest of the world this
launch-by-clicking-URL behavior is about as prevalent as the common
cold.
It clearly isn't, because part of the difficulty is that we're
talking about code execution, which is what
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 09:40:09AM -0400, Ivan Krsti�? wrote:
On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:52 AM, Martin Dengler wrote:
[main point]
No response?
1. It's clearly academic, as in the rest of the world this
launch-by-clicking-URL behavior is about as prevalent as the common
cold.
It clearly isn't,
2008/7/7 Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
...yields:
http://dev.laptop.org/~mdengler/launch-by-click-ie.jpg
...so perhaps I need a different understanding of launch-by-click for
executables. Please accept my apologies for wasting your/others time
if I've misunderstood.
I think that the
Martin's solution works for me.
This kind of dialogue is good for OLPC. Substantive and really thinking
about how kids and teachers will use the XO and Sugar.
We intend to embed all the activities relevant to a particular course
into one .xo bundle, excluding the pre-installed mainstays like
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 11:54:17AM -0300, Martin Langhoff wrote:
2008/7/7 Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[...]
http://dev.laptop.org/~mdengler/launch-by-click-ie.jpg
[...]
I think that the dialogue you captured is the seam people are
talking about :-)
Cool. I was just querying the
Hi Bryan,
Now that we are making progress on your requests I want to ask for some
quid pro quo :-)
Can your team allocate time to beta test 8.2.0?
Can you write up a test plan and include kids and teachers in the test?
Let me know if you are sure Nepal will deploy 8.2.0 regardless of the
I'm running one of the latest Joyrides and I was trying to put the laptop
into sleep mode by a short press to the power button. It didn't put it to
sleep, but it undid the keyboard remapping that I had done through xkbcomp.
Is that supposed to be a bug or feature?? xev shows that the power button
Hello Hynek,
I can't speak for DotConf, but Speech Dispatcher would surely benefit.
That's really good news, I am glad the code will prove useful to the speechd
community as well.
When there are several lines with the same parameter name,
this should be treated as an enumeration or a list.
Hi Folks,
I spent a couple hours yesterday taking out Gecko from Browse, and
putting in WebKit. Luckily, this was made easy by some PyWebKitGtk
bindings from Jan Alonzo (cc'ed). The example included with the
bindings is actually based off WebKit ;).
Some initial documentation is here:
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Ivan Krstić
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That said, the URI handler approach should be used sparingly. It's one
thing to allow starting an audio player by clicking an MP3 link in the
browser, and another to arbitrarily execute code (e.g. through an
execution
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Eben Eliason wrote:
| I really don't see anything wrong with injecting a modal alert,
| displayed by Sugar, into this process if we must. Clicking on an mp3
| in Browse would reveal this alert, and ask for confirmation that the
| user wishes to open
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Korakurider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, all.
I have read though Greg's release process draft of OLPC
(http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Process_Home)
and ReleaseTeam/Roadmap of SugarLabs
(http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam/Roadmap).
But both draft
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Torello Querci [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alle giovedì 3 luglio 2008, Kim Quirk ha scritto:
In order to help focus which translations are high priority for this
release, I have listed the languages we are shipping to today and
expect to ship to in the next 4-6
On Jul 07 2008, at 19:11, Dov Grobgeld was caught saying:
I'm running one of the latest Joyrides and I was trying to put the laptop
into sleep mode by a short press to the power button. It didn't put it to
sleep, but it undid the keyboard remapping that I had done through xkbcomp.
Is that
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Eben Eliason wrote:
| I really don't see anything wrong with injecting a modal alert,
| displayed by Sugar, into this process if we must. Clicking on an mp3
| in
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Eben Eliason wrote:
| No, what I've described is precisely /not/ the details view.
OK. You want something whose function is the launcher component of the
Details view, but whose form is simplified so as not to fill the screen.
That's fine. Two
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Eben Eliason wrote:
| No, what I've described is precisely /not/ the details view.
OK. You want something whose function is the launcher component of the
Details
I'm running joyride-2097. Should I open an issue? Is it one or two bugs? One
bug is the remapping. And the second is that it does not go into sleep mode?
Dov
2008/7/7 Deepak Saxena [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Jul 07 2008, at 19:11, Dov Grobgeld was caught saying:
I'm running one of the latest
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2123
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Finally: Ivan do you see security implications in a future
implementation of this approach which also allows the resulting
changes to an object launched in this manner from being passed back to
the invoking activity. For instance, consider a Website activity
which you can import source
This is probably meant for the release team.
Is the dropbox mechanism for updating rpms in joyride still working?
According to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Build_system the dropbox should
work but newer RPMs of cerebro don't get pulled into joyride. Rumors
have it that this mechanism no longer
On Jul 7, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Martin Dengler wrote:
No response?
Your message _appears_ to suppose that the security model was defined
for the hell of it, or because someone wanted to engage in an
interesting academic experiment, and thus breaking the security model
when it's convenient is
On Monday 07 July 2008, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote:
This is probably meant for the release team.
Is the dropbox mechanism for updating rpms in joyride still working?
According to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Build_system the dropbox should
work but newer RPMs of cerebro don't get pulled
Since a conversation on IRC got unexpectedly heated, let me restate my
personal philosophy for OLPC's relationships with upstream:
(a) I believe that we should put OLPC's goals *first*, and endeavor to
ensure that we are always meeting the actual needs of our clients,
forking whenever upstream's
Hi Dennis,
Dennis Gilmore wrote:
On Monday 07 July 2008, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote:
This is probably meant for the release team.
Is the dropbox mechanism for updating rpms in joyride still working?
According to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Build_system the dropbox should
work but
That's precisely the seam that Michael and I wrote about in his
previous message to the thread. The opposition he and I have is
towards allowing single-click actions to cross security barriers
without the system _ensuring_ that the user is informed of the
crossing.
...
The way to do it is
To the extent that sugarlabs is going to operate as a true upstream,
they need to be cognizant of the fact that OLPC will at times put its
goals/process ahead of upstream's goals/process.
I'll be presumptuous and speak on behalf of upstream. Sugar
developers are cognizant of the needs of OLPC
On Jul 7, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Eben Eliason wrote:
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Ivan Krstić
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That said, the URI handler approach should be used sparingly. It's
one
thing to allow starting an audio player by clicking an MP3 link in
the
browser, and another to
On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Hal Murray wrote:
Is that good enough? I think it would work fine for paranoid
security geeks,
but what about school children?
It's good enough because the purpose of the dialog is not to protect,
but to inform.
--
Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 02:59:00PM -0400, Ivan Krsti�? wrote:
On Jul 7, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Martin Dengler wrote:
No response?
Your message _appears_ to suppose that the security model was defined
for the hell of it, or because someone wanted to engage in an
interesting academic
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:37 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since a conversation on IRC got unexpectedly heated, let me restate my
personal philosophy for OLPC's relationships with upstream:
I am surprised this got heated, you are right, and this isn't even
controversial. This
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll be presumptuous and speak on behalf of upstream. Sugar
developers are cognizant of the needs of OLPC and will go out of their
way to make sure that the (by far) largest Sugar deployment is
successful. Has this been
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Noah Kantrowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 7, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Eben Eliason wrote:
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Ivan Krstić
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That said, the URI handler approach should be used sparingly. It's one
thing to allow starting an
On 7/7/08, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'll be presumptuous and speak on behalf of upstream. Sugar
developers are cognizant of the needs of OLPC and will go out of their
way to make sure that the (by far)
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:17 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think we're all agreed that even small forks have large long-term
costs, and we'd prefer to avoid them where at all possible -- which we
all agree seems to be the case at present.
Here I disagree - small and medium
On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Martin Dengler wrote:
seamless and seamful seem very wooly words. Are they, in this
context, well-defined?
A seamless transition is one where the user is not alerted in any way
to a security barrier being traversed, and where she is not afforded a
chance to stop
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 05:03:58PM -0400, Ivan Krsti�? wrote:
On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Hal Murray wrote:
Is that good enough? I think it would work fine for paranoid
security geeks,
but what about school children?
It's good enough because the purpose of the dialog is not to
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Martin Langhoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:17 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think we're all agreed that even small forks have large long-term
costs, and we'd prefer to avoid them where at all possible -- which we
all
On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 16:37 -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
Since a conversation on IRC got unexpectedly heated, let me restate my
personal philosophy for OLPC's relationships with upstream:
(a) I believe that we should put OLPC's goals *first*, and endeavor to
ensure that we are always
Dennis and I disagree on the dropbox; I view it as an essential
mechanism to unblock developers to allow rapid development. He is
concerned that it discourages people from making changes the right
way. Regardless...
The dropbox should still be functional, but you do need a proper
changelog
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 00:41:43 +
Andres Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
Clarifications were request, so..
Cc'ing devel for a wider audience. Basically, we've got a new
touchpad driver that uses mouse mode rather than advanced/stream
mode. This means the PT won't work, but the
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Bobby Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I spent a couple hours yesterday taking out Gecko from Browse, and
putting in WebKit. Luckily, this was made easy by some PyWebKitGtk
Just repeating in public what I leaned over and told m_stone and cjb:
I'd rather see us
Am 07.07.2008 um 23:22 schrieb Eben Eliason:
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Noah Kantrowitz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 7, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Eben Eliason wrote:
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Ivan Krstić
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That said, the URI handler approach should be used
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 05:56:05PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
(mstone reports that 'yum install firefox' and 'firefox' is a decent
basis for comparison, although we can tweak firefox's configuration
and package it as an RPM to get a nicer sugar lookfeel if we really
wanted to pursue this
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:56 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd rather see us just give up on Browse and ship and appropriately
configured Firefox. I just can't see OLPC devoting enough developer
Not so fast! The XS deliverables need a custom browser on the XO for
reasons we were
Why does automatic authentication require a custom browser? Client
certificates work well for this function in ordinary web applications
(assuming a properly configured server).
As to collaborative browsing, that use case should be balanced against all
the available applications that having a
Am 07.07.2008 um 23:31 schrieb Martin Dengler:
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 05:03:58PM -0400, Ivan Krsti�? wrote:
On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Hal Murray wrote:
Is that good enough? I think it would work fine for paranoid
security geeks,
but what about school children?
It's good enough because
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why does automatic authentication require a custom browser? Client
certificates work well for this function in ordinary web applications
(assuming a properly configured server).
I haven't delved into this deeply yet, but I
Client certs can be used for authentication with no changes to a Firefox
browser or an Apache server. GTK based as well as web based software to
create certs also already exists. What sort of patch are you looking for?
I could certainly provide a page running in an apache server to validate a
2008/7/7 Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Client certs can be used for authentication with no changes to a Firefox
browser or an Apache server. GTK based as well as web based software to
create certs also already exists. What sort of patch are you looking for?
I could certainly provide a
On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 12:27:08AM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Am 07.07.2008 um 23:31 schrieb Martin Dengler:
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 05:03:58PM -0400, Ivan Krsti�? wrote:
On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Hal Murray wrote:
Is that good enough? I think it would work fine for paranoid
The UI seems pretty important to me, but obviously that's a matter of
taste. Not everyone likes tabbed browsing. Correct operation of websites
that fail with the extant browser. Direct availability of plugins and
addons. One example: scrapbook, a superb research tool. Another example
Google
Carol,
give me some credit :-) I know that FF works well with client certs
and apache has no problem with it. I've been coding apache/ssl aware
apps since '98...
What sort of patch are you looking for?
Well, there is quite a bit of thinking that needs to happen here, and
I am working on
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The UI seems pretty important to me, but obviously that's a matter of
taste. Not everyone likes tabbed browsing. Correct operation of websites
that fail with the extant browser. Direct availability of plugins and
addons.
Briefly: just check trac for bugs assigned to the Browse component.
Many of these would not be an issue if we were just following
upstream, for example: SSL/security UI, URL autocompletion, tabs,
various websites with popups, etc.
We will clearly need to customize the browser to *some* degree,
Greg Smith wrote:
Now that we are making progress on your requests I want to ask for some
quid pro quo :-)
Can your team allocate time to beta test 8.2.0?
We were intending to do this anyways but wasn't sure about when we would do
it. What timelines do you have in mind? I don't have time for
We should meet to discuss our release at a high level (procedures,
resources) and at a low level (tickets). This week, we will meet at our
regular places and times -- 2:00 PM EDT on Tuesday (high-level) and
Wednesday (low-level) in #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org for these
meetings.
Please
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why does automatic authentication require a custom browser? Client
certificates work well for this function in ordinary web applications
(assuming a properly configured server).
There is certainly not consensus regarding the merits of the
free-form Home View, but it is being accepted upstream, AFAIK.
Sorry, but I couldn't resist :
The principal merit I see in the free-form Home View is that it
makes the screen look more like what is familiar (reassuring) to a
Allowing the null encryption algorithm in the browser would enable it for
other later negotiations, which seems an unnecessary exposure to suppress
the encryption for a single small https exchange. But it would certainly be
possible.
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On
Hi,
We should meet to discuss our release at a high level (procedures,
resources) and at a low level (tickets). This week, we will meet at
our regular places and times -- 2:00 PM EDT on Tuesday (high-level)
and Wednesday (low-level) in #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org for
Not everyone likes tabbed browsing.
That may be true - but what if the user needs to reference two (or
more) separate pages of information. If while looking at one page
he can't remember *exactly* what the other page said, he may want to
switch between pages. What are the alternatives to
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Mikus Grinbergs wrote:
Not everyone likes tabbed browsing.
That may be true - but what if the user needs to reference two (or
more) separate pages of information. If while looking at one page
he can't remember *exactly* what the other page said, he may want to
switch
A reference was made to Gears:
My point was exactly that it is a plugin.
There are other plugins that are educationally useful.
Security. I believe that 'Browse' is restricted as to how much it
is allowed to modify the operating system itself. Such restrictions
would apply to plugins as
I've snipped away the parts I have no comment on, but:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Martin Langhoff wrote:
Well, there is quite a bit of thinking that needs to happen here, and I
am working on something else at the moment. So, these are quick notes
And me, too - just quick notes:
- XS
Hi Tarun,
I'm OK with client side in this pass.
The only concerns are that the teacher and potentially other students
should have the chance to edit the post. As long as the teacher can pick
it up and review it too, doing the preview off a local file on XO is OK.
We need to nail down the work
(Sorry about the cross-post, this affects XS and XO...)
Here is some initial documentation on DS-backup, including usage
scenarios, basic test steps, and longer-term plans
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Blueprints:Datastore_Simple_Backup_and_Restore
cheers,
m
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OK - it's a moodle / scorm bug or issue, not an XO bug...
David Leeming
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From: Martin Langhoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To:
Hi Greg,
So far I have the admin page set up in moodle and working with OU Blog.
Students can create a post and post it locally. Teachers can then send
that post to Blogger.com. I still need to add image support and the
option for students to send the blog directly to a remote blog. There
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