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Could we at least select the ring view by default? I see the free form
view as unnecessary crap because the last thing I want is to reorder
icons by using the touchpad. Did anybody actually try that exercise?
Also the list view has a bug, that it does not have an XO icon which can
be clicked to
A couple points:
a) SSL overhead being impractical? Come on. You can use SSL on the
browser today; there is no perceptible speed difference. I agree that
client certs may be impractical, but it won't be because the XO can't
handle the computation.
b) Many of the customization issues mooted
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:37 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The real question to me is whether there are size (memory nand)
disadvantages to Firefox. Othewise it's just a practical problem of
finding enough resources to implement a Firefox extension to match the
current
Am 08.07.2008 um 09:37 schrieb NoiseEHC:
http://www.thewebsiteisdown.com/
Hah! Must. Stop. Laughing. It. Hurts.
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On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:37 AM, NoiseEHC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could we at least select the ring view by default? I see the free form
view as unnecessary crap because the last thing I want is to reorder
icons by using the touchpad. Did anybody actually try that exercise?
Also the list view
Now I see that the XO icon thing is a dupe:
https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7043
I do not see any connection with 7430 however. What I wanted to say is
that if you really want to keep that useless Free Form view then at
least select the Circle View by default (for the Circle vs Free Form).
1. Project name :Picker
2. Existing website, if any :
3. One-line description :Lightweight system and processes
statistics (cpu/mem/io) gatherer.
4. Longer description :Gathers system and processes statistics from /proc
:and graphs them to pretty
Sugarizing involves more than just the look and feel of the UI; in
addition to Bitfrost considerations--raised by Bert and Mikus--and the
collaboration model, there is also Journal/Datastore intergration to
consider: the trivial from of Sugarizing does not result in useful
Journal entries. So some
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 5:37 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
a) SSL overhead being impractical? Come on. You can use SSL on the
browser today; there is no perceptible speed difference. I agree that
client certs may be impractical, but it won't be because the XO can't
handle the
Just a lowly G1G1 end user here,
I would strongly agree that the option of free form, list or ring is a great
feature. The choice may be seen as unnecessary clutter but it provides an
avenue of customization and familiarity for those using the device and would
add to the polish of the overall
Hi All,
Who is writing the release notes for 8.2.0?
I am seeing a lot of good info on improvements pass by in e-mail or in
Trac exchanges (e.g. http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7443#comment:3). I
want to start capturing them somewhere so users can see what
changes/benefits are in the release.
Hi NoiseEHC,
I agree that the key problem is communication of decisions more than
what decisions are being made.
Several people have said that recently (e.g. localization team recently
made the same point).
I hope we can address this at the high level with an agreed process that
include
Hi Kim, Scott, et al,
In the meeting on 7/1 we (those who joined on time) agreed 8.2.0 is a
time based release intended to include the latest code (e.g. Fedora 9
and New Sugar).
I think it falls in the category of release early and release often.
I agree that it does not completely address
Hi,
There was a mistake on assigning the project.
Thanks,
riccardo
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Henry Edward Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:13:42 +0200, Riccardo Lucchese
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. Project name: Picker
Done. Your tree is here:
git+ssh://[EMAIL
Let me summarize where I think we are and/or should go and try to put
this into some context:
0) good rendering onto our high resolution screen is very important to
us; this is why we went with a Gecko based web browser in the first
place. Before we moved to the development builds of
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can also anticipate Javascript performance may become an issue as its
use continues to increase.
Confirming this - to work with XS-based tools nicely, JS and related
tools (gears) support is a must.
cheers,
m
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Oh, and as Walter points out, journal integration is also important to
us, and necessary in any replacement. Sometimes brain is not engaged.
If we can build the OLPCfs stuff that Scott has come up with, this will
help unmodified apps interoperate with the journal, but I suspect for
something
On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 00:17 -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote:
Not everyone likes tabbed browsing.
That may be true - but what if the user needs to reference two (or
more) separate pages of information. If while looking at one page
he can't remember *exactly* what the other page said, he
So there are two threads here, the first being authentication and the second
whether the standard browser could be used (I am still interested in a user
story as to why collaborative browsing is interesting/useful as opposed to a
shared bookmark or scrapbook). While I am mostly interested in the
Hi folks,
many of the VPRI developers are attending the Scratch conference at
MIT. We'll fly in a day early so that we would have some time on Wed.
the 23rd to talk about issues, future plans, or whatever else comes
up :) We're leaving Monday night so I hope there will be even more
Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:13:42 +0200, Riccardo Lucchese
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1. Project name :Picker
Done. Your tree is here:
git+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/git/activities/picker
Please follow instructions here for importing your project:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Importing_your_project
Let us
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2) the lack of a certificate UI has hampered our Browse usage primarily
in G1G1 developed world situations: this tells me while it is of
concern, it's not as high priority as some other issues might be,
certainly lower than
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We could add many more of the missing features to Browse if all the
developers weren't so busy with the rest of Sugar. Also, although most
of the sugar developers have occasionally hacked on Browse, we are far
from experts
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can certainly produce a proof of concept for the first,
using client certs via Scott's Firefox 3. I don't think it is as hard as
you think, and I promise to provide something concrete by the end of the
weekend.
Thanks!
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 8:05 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We could add many more of the missing features to Browse if all the
developers weren't so busy with the rest of Sugar. Also, although most
of the
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| On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| We could add many more of the missing features to Browse if all the
| developers weren't so busy with the rest of Sugar. Also, although most
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On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
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C. Scott Ananian wrote:
| On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| We could add many more of the missing features to Browse if all the
|
I am puzzled about the PKI infrastructure you envision. I envision
having a
private certificate authority that runs on the teacher's XO and keeps its
keystore on a USB thumb drive. So my favorite CA tool is TinyCA
(currently
version2) which is written in Perl. This works very well for
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 00:17 -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote:
Not everyone likes tabbed browsing.
That may be true - but what if the user needs to reference two (or
more) separate pages of information. If while looking at one
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If we just added a number of extensions to Firefox either in C++ or
JS, could we deliver as much to the kids that want to study and modify
the software on their machines?
Yes. Firefox has a much better integrated IDE for
Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 2:14 AM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We'd like to try out using Gobby¹ to record the agenda and minutes for
Tuesday's release meeting.
Yeah. apt-cache show says
Package: gobby
(...)
Description: collaborative text editor
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Martin Langhoff
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Please point me to your notes on this, if you would be so kind.
There aren't any, unfortunately. I had to read idmgr to understand the
protocol - so read the source. It is a trivial xml-rpc.
Ah, apologies, wrong answer.
Hi,
We'd like to try out using Gobby to record the agenda and minutes
for Tuesday's release meeting. If you have an XO and will be
joining the meeting, please run yum install gobby beforehand, or
apt-get install gobby on an Ubuntu laptop. The server will be at
Not 'Home View', but still:
Another problem is that the Activity button (the 4th zoom level) can
select the Journal if that was the last active activity. It has an own
button so I cannot see any reason why it has to be the way it is. It is
an annoyance that when I download several things then
Greg,
Touchpad bug summary, as of May:
http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-May/013580.html
Suggestions:
* There's no release contract material ready here yet -- people are
optimistic that they will be able to improve the user experience of
the touchpad but no one wants to be
On Jul 8, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Carol Lerche wrote:
I am puzzled about the PKI infrastructure you envision. I envision
having a
private certificate authority that runs on the teacher's XO and
keeps its
keystore on a USB thumb drive.
To summarize for those who haven't heard me rant about
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Ivan writes::
While you may believe the setup you have in mind is easy and uncomplicated,
the odds are *overwhelmingly*, **super-stunningly** stacked against you to
make PKI work the way you want in production. The fact that TLS client
certs, in particular, have zero commercial end-user
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sameer wrote:
Ubuntu uses Gobby for its UDS (Ubuntu Developer Summit) meetings and it
works quite well.
perhaps they have a usage model (guidelines) that would be
interesting to look at.
paul
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On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is an assertion, not an argument. It is also factually incorrect.
And needless to argue over it if we can get instead some working code.
:-)
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sameer wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sameer wrote:
Ubuntu uses Gobby for its UDS (Ubuntu Developer Summit) meetings and it
works quite well.
perhaps they have a usage model (guidelines) that would be
interesting to look at.
Overall UDS participation
On Jul 8, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Carol Lerche wrote:
This is an assertion, not an argument. It is also factually
incorrect.
I have no interest in arguing with you; you're obviously free to
ignore my advice.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sameer wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sameer wrote:
Ubuntu uses Gobby for its UDS (Ubuntu Developer Summit) meetings and
it
works quite well.
perhaps they have a usage model (guidelines) that would be
interesting to look at.
Hi,
as part of my intern work on profiling sugar, I've written a little application
for gathering system and per process statistic from /proc called.
It may reveal itself useful in catching interferences between processes or
when profiling cpu/mem usage of long running processes.
In fact there
Riccardo,
Your graphs would be more helpful if they gave more information about
exactly which processes were running. python (pid) doesn't really tell
me what's going on.
Perhaps you could modify the display so that each track is prominently
labeled with the full arguments to the process?
It appears that logs posted in the Log Activity go, by default, to
olpc.scheffers.net/olpc/submit.tcl
Pascal - can you provide access to these logs?
Thanks,
Michael
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Folks,
The inimitable Greg DeKoenigsberg just landed a whopper on
fedora-devel-list@:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg00433.html
which is quite worthy of your questions and follow-ups. The folks
replying to that thread are masters of the Fedora technologies and
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 03:50:51AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote:
Hi Michael,
Just to confirm - the init file for the customization key is at
http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/mstone/irfs-udebs;a=blob;f=src-olpc/init
right ?
Actually, it's in users/cscott/olpcrd-rootskel.
Also, is there
Ah - ok. Thanks a lot :-).
Warm regards,
Sayamindu
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 03:50:51AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote:
Hi Michael,
Just to confirm - the init file for the customization key is at
And they are, in fact, succeeding, even though the open source community
has largely turned its collective back on that success. Which is, I think, a
shame.
Bravo for Greg, but this is overstated: not the succeeding part, the
turning its back part.
-walter
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 6:25 PM,
Hi,
I 'm asking for permission to add an activity to Joyride to be used
primarily for debugging cerebro. This activity provides these features:
- presence (list of users with picture (avatar) and distances)
- profiles as shared by each user
- file transfer
- chat
- a bidding game (sell that
I'm trying to get IDLE running on my XO, so that I can show Python
development directly on it.
IDLE needs Tk-inter to run. I've installed it, and IDLE runs. The font
is very small. However I can't get tk to recognize fonts or size changes.
If I open Options/Configure IDLE.../'Fonts/Tabs', I
The most typical color-blindless is a red-green confusion. Black-green
should not be an issue as this is contrast in value, not chroma.
However, the point is well taken. Some of the on-screen color
combinations may well be problematic. The general rule of thumb is to
provide at least two Munsell
Hi Walter,
quote who=Walter Bender
The most typical color-blindless is a red-green confusion. Black-green
should not be an issue as this is contrast in value, not chroma.
However, the point is well taken. Some of the on-screen color
combinations may well be problematic. The general rule of
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Carol Lerche wrote:
So there are two threads here, the first being authentication and the second
whether the standard browser could be used (I am still interested in a user
story as to why collaborative browsing is interesting/useful as opposed to a
shared bookmark or
Hi,
Hi all, I'm not sure this is the right list for this, but I had
some feedback on the XO which I'm not sure has been dealt with. The
black on green keyboards apparently might be a significant issue
for children who are colourblind. I haven't pursued this but had
the
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I worked on a couple of things over the weekend that may be of interest
to random passers-by. They include:
* new rainbow ('cli' branch of users/mstone/security) and nss-rainbow
source code which lets you use rainbow from the command line and which
permits rainbow to add accounts to the
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I worked on a couple of things over the weekend that may be of interest
to random passers-by. They include:
* new rainbow ('cli' branch of users/mstone/security) and nss-rainbow
source code which lets you use rainbow from
The good news is that the green we use is pretty close to the peak
luminance sensitivity, maximizing the available contrast. In general,
green is a very good choice in regard to contrast to black.
-walter
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On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 08:55:48PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 08:40:36PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
* updates to the puritan UI and the f9 compilation which make combine to
deliver a bootable image. (As of this instant, you'll need to start X
manually with
I think you should just start a page...
Thanks,
Kim
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi All,
Who is writing the release notes for 8.2.0?
I am seeing a lot of good info on improvements pass by in e-mail or in
Trac exchanges (e.g.
Hey all,
I spent the past 15 minutes digging through the wiki and devel threads
from the past 3 months and I couldn't find out how to stop an XO from
suspending except for the manual touch /etc/ohm/inhibit-idle-suspend
that Chris told me about the other day.
Could someone please explain the
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's a much requested feature from the field as you know!
Thanks for working on it.
:-)
Are you in synch with the XO side of the work needed? Can you check bug
ID 7392 and confirm it covers what you need?
Michael Stone
2008/7/8 Robson Mendonça [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Tomeu, what you think about the Journal can be able to download directly a
old entry from XS?
Well, at any time that a bundle in the format described below is put
into the datastore (say by downloading it with Browse), the journal
will expand it and
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