Re: The new OLPC ads

2008-12-16 Thread Bastien
Hi Jean, Jean Piché writes: > http://www2.infopresse.com/blogs/actualites/archive/2008/12/15/article-29417.aspx This article is in french - maybe you better want to send this to the french OLPC mailing list: olpc-fra...@lists.laptop.org Regards, -- Bastien __

Re: No surprise on memory

2008-12-16 Thread Benjamin Berg
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 23:21 -0500, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > I'm no expert, but making the system work well without overcommit would > probably require extensive modifications to the python interpreter, the > fd.o libraries (dbus, gstreamer, telepathy, etc.), gecko, and maybe even > X. All of

Re: The new OLPC ads

2008-12-16 Thread Samuel Klein
The Lennon ad hasn't been released yet. I saw CDs with a version of it in the office this morning. SJ Martin writes: >> -- still, everyone mentions the Lennon ad and >> I haven't seen it. They mention and show the "fast learners" ad but >> no the Lennon ad. >> >> Anyone's seen it? __

Re: No surprise on memory

2008-12-16 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:45:52PM -0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > > Well, I wasn't trying to give a "solution", just suggested a "less > > bad" way to fail. IMO, just trying to find the perfect solution while > > not doing anything to improv

Re: No surprise on memory

2008-12-16 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 15:29, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> I'm with Benjamin here, if the OOM killer kicked in soon enough and >> activities were clearly marked as first candidates to be killed, >> stability would be much much better. > > Comb

Re: The new OLPC ads

2008-12-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Bastien wrote: > I just assumed the OP did a mistake. And it's fun to try to read articles in foreign languages. I tried, and half-understood :-) -- still, everyone mentions the Lennon ad and I haven't seen it. They mention and show the "fast learners" ad but no

[Server-devel] New xs-config and a 5.1-dev iso...

2008-12-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
Prepared these yesterday :-) - A new xs-config fixes the yum.conf problem - http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9123 http://fedora.laptop.org/xs/testing/olpc/9/i386/xs-config-0.5.10.gead84e5-1.noarch.rpm - A new iso candidate http://xs-dev.laptop.org/xs/other/?C=M;O=D cheers, m -- martin.

Re: [Server-devel] xs on cd

2008-12-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Prithak Sharma wrote: > Actually we have a boot CD that boots the first USB drive when the server > does not support booting from USB. This is handy when we have old computers > that cannot boot from USB. Sounds like a good trick to me :-) m -- martin.langh.

Re: The new OLPC ads

2008-12-16 Thread Ties Stuij
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Bastien wrote: > Hi Jean, > > Jean Piché writes: > >> http://www2.infopresse.com/blogs/actualites/archive/2008/12/15/article-29417.aspx > > This article is in french - maybe you better want to send this to the > french OLPC mailing list: olpc-fra...@lists.laptop.o

Re: The new OLPC ads

2008-12-16 Thread Bastien
"Ties Stuij" writes: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Bastien wrote: >> Hi Jean, >> >> Jean Piché writes: >> >>> http://www2.infopresse.com/blogs/actualites/archive/2008/12/15/article-29417.aspx >> >> This article is in french - maybe you better want to send this to the >> french OLPC mailing

Re: No surprise on memory

2008-12-16 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2008/12/16 Benjamin Berg : > On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 23:21 -0500, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: >> I'm no expert, but making the system work well without overcommit would >> probably require extensive modifications to the python interpreter, the >> fd.o libraries (dbus, gstreamer, telepathy, etc.), gec

Browse Start Page

2008-12-16 Thread Jacob Haddon
I’ve set up a moc start page for the Browse activity. It seems that a great opportunity is missed on the browse from page for helping provide information to the students about their computer, about resources available to them, and possible connections to the school server. My moc-up can be fou

Re: Slimmed Down Fedora 10 on XO (was Fedora 10 on XO)

2008-12-16 Thread Erik Garrison
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 04:42:48PM -0500, Greg Smith wrote: > Hi All, > > Thanks for all the feedback on my questions about what it would take to > run a slimmed down Fedora 10 on the XO NAND. > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2008-December/msg00022.html > > To reiterate, the go

[Server-devel] Debugging tips for presence over Telepathy/Gabble?

2008-12-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
Looking for Telepathy/Gabble hints... With the new ejabberd in 0.5 (2.0.1 + Collabora's patches) people have reported very unreliable Network View listings. The problem seems to be that everyone disappears after a short while, and if you leave it for a few hs, everyone reappears. The thread start

Re: Browse Start Page

2008-12-16 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks, Jacob. It would be good to see other very different designs for the front page as well. I think it's important to include easy ways to - search for help and info about OLPC/XO/Sugar [with links to Help activity?] - learn about python / smalltalk / C / source / programming in general -

Re: [Sugar-devel] One instance activity

2008-12-16 Thread Pablo Posada
Thank you all for your answers. What i am actually facing is a problem with a sugarizing. I need to run the script, copy-to-Journal.py from a C program. 1 - With "exec dbus-launch CActivity $args" in the sugarActivity file, i can run multiple instances but i cant run the script. It crashes throwi

Re: No surprise on memory

2008-12-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Erik Garrison wrote: > What about using a NAND partition as swap? Has this ever been done? > Given that partition support is a recent development it seems unlikely. There's been discussion on this list about it. I don't think the mtd driver does any wear-levellin

Re: [Server-devel] Collaboration unreliable 0.5

2008-12-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
2008/12/16 Anna : > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:47 PM, David Leeming > wrote: >> I am using USB active antenna (prototype). Has always worked well with >> 0.4. > > I've used both the AA and AP's and it doesn't seem to matter as far as this > ejabberd issue goes. Right. My question was because I've

Re: Slimmed Down Fedora 10 on XO (was Fedora 10 on XO)

2008-12-16 Thread pgf
greg wrote: > Hi All, > > Thanks for all the feedback on my questions about what it would take to > run a slimmed down Fedora 10 on the XO NAND. > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2008-December/msg00022.html > > To reiterate, the goal is one distribution with two Desktop E

Re: The new OLPC ads

2008-12-16 Thread Bastien
"Martin Langhoff" writes: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Bastien wrote: >> I just assumed the OP did a mistake. > > And it's fun to try to read articles in foreign languages. I tried, > and half-understood :-) Well, I think there is already enough miscommunication around OLPC, let's not ad

Re: Slimmed Down Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-16 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > (but seriously: we only need to add to what we have -- we don't > need to start from scratch, rebuilding and/or subtracting from > fedora.) In particular, I think: * take a Joyride build * yum groupinstall "GNOME Desktop Environment" * http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/csco

Re: [Sugar-devel] One instance activity

2008-12-16 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi Pablo, 2008/12/16 Pablo Posada : > > Thank you all for your answers. > > What i am actually facing is a problem with a sugarizing. I need to run the > script, copy-to-Journal.py from a C program. If what you want is to exec copy-to-journal.py from gnumeric, then using one of the functions list

Re: Slimmed Down Fedora 10 on XO (was Fedora 10 on XO)

2008-12-16 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Paul, I mean slimmed down Fedora (probably shouldn't even call it Fedora at that point) plus Gnome, KDE of XFCE window manager. Is that precise enough? If its as easy as yum install gnome on top of 8.2.0 image, that would be great! Thanks, Greg S p...@laptop.org wrote: > greg wrote: > >

Re: Slimmed Down Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-16 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:56:47PM -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > >> (but seriously: we only need to add to what we have -- we don't >> need to start from scratch, rebuilding and/or subtracting from >> fedora.) > > In particular, I think: > >* take a Joyride build >* yum gr

Re: No surprise on memory

2008-12-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > Well, I wasn't trying to give a "solution", just suggested a "less > bad" way to fail. IMO, just trying to find the perfect solution while > not doing anything to improve what we have now is the worst of the > possibilities. Oh, sure. I just

Last XO test day of the year

2008-12-16 Thread Tabitha Roder
Hello Wellington testers This Saturday will be the last test day of the year and I am getting excited about sharing everyone's holiday plans (and any exciting places XOs are holidaying with you). We have a few events lined up for the new year, mark 12 and 27 January in your diaries for some inter

Re: Slimmed Down Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-16 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 16.12.2008, at 18:56, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > >> (but seriously: we only need to add to what we have -- we don't >> need to start from scratch, rebuilding and/or subtracting from >> fedora.) > > In particular, I think: > > * take a Joyride build > * yum groupinstall "GNOME Desktop Enviro

Re: No surprise on memory

2008-12-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > I'm with Benjamin here, if the OOM killer kicked in soon enough and > activities were clearly marked as first candidates to be killed, > stability would be much much better. Combine that with Mac OS (pre X) style "estimated memory allocation

Re: Slimmed Down Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-16 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > * yum groupinstall "GNOME Desktop Environment" I gave this a try with latest Joyride (2592), and get a couple of depsolving problems. Maybe one of the RPM ninjas on fedora-olpc-list could take a look at how we could resolve these? Alternatively, maybe we should be hand-picking the list

Re: Slimmed Down Fedora 10 on XO (was Fedora 10 on XO)

2008-12-16 Thread Bobby Powers
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Erik Garrison wrote: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 04:42:48PM -0500, Greg Smith wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Thanks for all the feedback on my questions about what it would take to > > run a slimmed down Fedora 10 on the XO NAND. > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/f

Re: No surprise on memory

2008-12-16 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:15:37PM -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote: > Erik, what is the latest status on Compcache? Obviously, this could > relieve some of the pressure, but does not remove the need for an OOM > strategy (or strategies). I provided and tested a patch to apply it to a branch of our ker

Re: performance work

2008-12-16 Thread Greg Smith
Forwarding this to devel. Any comments or suggestions on how we can start to optimize graphics performance is appreciated. It looks like we have a good test bed in place which should help us focus on the right bottlenecks. Thanks, Greg S Greg Smith wrote: > Hi Neil, > > That's great data, t

Re: Fixed Puritan bug on F10/Intrepid

2008-12-16 Thread Reuben K. Caron
Michael, The build was successfully made on both F10 and Intrepid. How could I slip in a language pack? How could I set the Timezone for the build? How could I set the default language for sugar? Regards, Reuben Michael Stone wrote: > Reuben, > > I was able to reproduce and work around the rpm

New joyride build 2593

2008-12-16 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2593 Changes in build 2593 from build: 2592 Size delta: 0.40M -dbus-x11 1.2.8-1.fc10 +dbus-x11 1:1.2.4-2.fc10 -kernel 2.6.27-20081211.2.olpc.d2f19da5993402b +kernel 2.6.27-20081216.1.olpc.f87aa8759c39381 -yum 3.2.20-3.fc10 +yum 3.2.20-5.

Re: What's going on with Text To Speech on the XO?

2008-12-16 Thread James Simmons
Ed, Thanks for your response. I never questioned that there was still interest in TTS on the XO. What I was wondering is if there was any progress made by Hemant Goyal or anyone else in getting the Speech-Dispatcher software included with the Sugar distribution, if the newer version of Pytho

Re: What's going on with Text To Speech on the XO?

2008-12-16 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:22 PM, James Simmons wrote: > Ed, > > Thanks for your response. I never questioned that there was still interest > in TTS on the XO. What I was wondering is if there was any progress made by > Hemant Goyal or anyone else in getting the Speech-Dispatcher software > inclu

Re: Slimmed Down Fedora 10 on XO

2008-12-16 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi, > > * yum groupinstall "GNOME Desktop Environment" > > I gave this a try with latest Joyride (2592), and get a couple of > depsolving problems. Maybe one of the RPM ninjas on fedora-olpc-list > could take a look at how we could resolve these? Alternatively, maybe > we should be hand-pickin

Re: Slimmed Down Fedora 10 on XO (was Fedora 10 on XO)

2008-12-16 Thread Peter Robinson
> Hi Paul, > > I mean slimmed down Fedora (probably shouldn't even call it Fedora at that > point) plus Gnome, KDE of XFCE window manager. Is that precise enough? > > If its as easy as yum install gnome on top of 8.2.0 image, that would be > great! It should be that simple with some caveats. w

Re: Slimmed Down Fedora 10 on XO (was Fedora 10 on XO)

2008-12-16 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 02:44:17PM -0500, Bobby Powers wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Erik Garrison wrote: > > > > > I have been quite frustrated with the Fedora toolset in this regard. > > Getting a bare minimum of functionality is not something which these > > tools are typically us

Re: performance work

2008-12-16 Thread Jordan Crouse
Greg Smith wrote: > Forwarding this to devel. > > Any comments or suggestions on how we can start to optimize graphics > performance is appreciated. That is a rather open ended question. I'll try to point you at some interesting places to start with the understanding that not one thing is goin

Re: Downloading Scratch project to XO

2008-12-16 Thread John Maloney
Hi, Bert. Re: does Scratch accept a .sb file on its command line? Yes, it does. The problem is that the journal is changing the file extension to something like .bin, and Scratch doesn't think a .bin file is a Scratch project file and simply ignores it. I believe the issue is just that we n

Re: Slimmed Down Fedora 10 on XO (was Fedora 10 on XO)

2008-12-16 Thread Peter Robinson
>> The hard part will come when we need to pick the bare minimum set of >> functionality. I especially want to know what additional >> libraries/RPMs/features we need to install beyond what we alrady have in >> XO 8.2.0. > > I have been quite frustrated with the Fedora toolset in this regard. > G

Re: Downloading Scratch project to XO

2008-12-16 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Not quite, Sugar will not actually pass the file name of the Journal entry when launching the activity. Instead, it passes the id of a datastore object, and the activity is supposed to retrieve that from the datastore. But this retrieval could be done in the Scratch wrapper script. - Bert

Re: Downloading Scratch project to XO

2008-12-16 Thread John Maloney
Hi, Bert. Thanks for the help on this. To clarify, what I was doing was using the clipboard to move a downloaded Scratch project file. I dragged it from the Journal to the clipboard, then went to the Scratch activity and dropped it onto the Scratch window. So that's a somewhat different pat

Re: No surprise on memory

2008-12-16 Thread Jameson Quinn
Erik, what is the latest status on Compcache? Obviously, this could relieve some of the pressure, but does not remove the need for an OOM strategy (or strategies). Jameson On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Erik Garrison wrote: > > What

Translation links from Activities

2008-12-16 Thread John Watlington
The links to Pootle from the activites seem to be broken. I tried both Record and Write, and the links in the sidebar on the right for pootle are all broken. Cheers, wad ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/dev

Re: Slimmed Down Fedora 10 on XO (was Fedora 10 on XO)

2008-12-16 Thread Erik Garrison
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:32:58AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > >> The hard part will come when we need to pick the bare minimum set of > >> functionality. I especially want to know what additional > >> libraries/RPMs/features we need to install beyond what we alrady have in > >> XO 8.2.0. > >

Re: Slimmed Down Fedora 10 on XO (was Fedora 10 on XO)

2008-12-16 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi Erik, >> Fedora has a set of tools now called Appliance-Tools [1] for creating >> this sort of thing. You can use it to specify a minimal build and then >> pull in the extra stuff you want, specify repositories etc. I used it >> to build a joyride VM I could use for slicing and dicing package d

New joyride build 2594

2008-12-16 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2594 Changes in build 2594 from build: 2593 Size delta: -0.66M -etoys 3.0.2160-1 +etoys 4.0.2201-1 --- Changes for etoys 4.0.2201-1 from 3.0.2160-1 --- + removed/reverted/rewrote all methods not covered by Apache/MIT license + vario

Re: performance work

2008-12-16 Thread Neil Graham
On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 16:23 -0700, Jordan Crouse wrote: > I would start by establishing a 1:1 baseline - it is great to compare > against a 2Ghz Intel box, but that the differences between the two > platforms are just too extreme. No matter how good the graphics gets, > we are still constrain

Help runnning a script after Installing an activity from .xo

2008-12-16 Thread shivaprasad javali
Hi, I am developing an activity for the XO. I have the .xo file ready to install but I still have one problem. After Installing the activity I need to make the XO run a script. I need to do this because the Application makes use of the OSS module to render sound which is not loaded by default on t

Loosing the Activity window after displaying a OpenFile dialog box

2008-12-16 Thread shivaprasad javali
Hi , In the application that I am developing for the XO there is a Open button which displays an Open File dialog box and lets you choose which file to open in the activity. But when I click on the button and the dialog box is displayed, I loose my application window and I come back to the Sugar

New joyride build 2595

2008-12-16 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2595 Changes in build 2595 from build: 2594 Size delta: 0.00M -kernel 2.6.27-20081216.1.olpc.f87aa8759c39381 +kernel 2.6.27-20081217.2.olpc.63019a306106450 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/anno