Windows on the XO (was: Re: Devel Digest, Vol 41, Issue 41)

2009-07-28 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 07:45:58AM -1000, Mitch Bradley wrote: For this reason, Sugar needs a wider basis, to run on more Linux platforms and to run under Windows. We have been engaged in discussions with Microsoft for several months, to explore a dual boot version of the XO. Some of you

Re: Windows on the XO (was: Re: Devel Digest, Vol 41, Issue 41)

2009-07-28 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 02:21:22PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: But it doesn't really matter much as Charles Kane makes it clear in todays interview [1] It was last week, actually. ... that OLPC is now actually selling XOs with Windows on them: After the success and the impact we have had

Re: Windows on the XO (was: Re: Devel Digest, Vol 41, Issue 41)

2009-07-28 Thread Sean DALY
My understanding is that although Windows is available, there have been no sales; deployments have preferred Sugar. On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Sascha Silbesascha-ml-ui-sugar-olpc-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 07:45:58AM -1000, Mitch Bradley wrote: For this reason,

Re: Disk layout for XO-1.5

2009-07-28 Thread Deepak Saxena
On Jul 27 2009, at 12:17, Mitch Bradley was caught saying: / - 2 GB - ext4 Contains system files How about having 2x1GiB system partitions so that instead of doing the symlink stuff we do right now, we can just mount the appropriate system parition as the root partition? Metadata for

Re: Disk layout for XO-1.5

2009-07-28 Thread Deepak Saxena
On Jul 27 2009, at 13:27, Mitch Bradley was caught saying: The filesystem is no longer internally compressed. The current size for the XO-1.5 system is 1.1 GB. 2 GB gives some headroom for growth and for temporary overages during updates. Chris, Are we stuck with 1.1GiB or do we think we

Re: Disk layout for XO-1.5

2009-07-28 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, How about having 2x1GiB system partitions so that instead of doing the symlink stuff we do right now, we can just mount the appropriate system parition as the root partition? Metadata for which partition contains the most recent OS image could be stored in /boot. Well,

Re: [Testing] new F11-for-XO1 images available for testing

2009-07-28 Thread Richard A. Smith
Mikus Grinbergs wrote: currently disabled because it exposed a bug in OFWs ext2 code. That bug is fixed in q3a06, which I released yesterday. I thought q3 OFW was meant only for XO-1.5 (and would brick XO-1). Correct. The XO-1.5 firmware (q3xxx) won't pass the checksum test on an XO-1 and

Re: Disk layout for XO-1.5

2009-07-28 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, [adding fedora-olpc-list to CC] Are we stuck with 1.1GiB or do we think we can reduce that further? Well, there are a few things going on here. We have activities and content (and will probably add more activities and content) that's currently part of the 1.1GiB, but is actually in

Re: Disk layout for XO-1.5

2009-07-28 Thread david
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Chris Ball wrote: Hi, [adding fedora-olpc-list to CC] Are we stuck with 1.1GiB or do we think we can reduce that further? Well, there are a few things going on here. We have activities and content (and will probably add more activities and content) that's currently

Re: Disk layout for XO-1.5

2009-07-28 Thread Mitch Bradley
Another important advantage to partitions is that the existence of a boot partition isolates the firmware from changes in the filesystem used for the root. Advantage #2 that you cite below is also quite valuable - it makes it easy to preserve user data while replacing/recovering/updating the

Re: Disk layout for XO-1.5

2009-07-28 Thread david
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Mitch Bradley wrote: Another important advantage to partitions is that the existence of a boot partition isolates the firmware from changes in the filesystem used for the root. can you explain this a bit more? Advantage #2 that you cite below is also quite valuable -

Re: Disk layout for XO-1.5

2009-07-28 Thread Paul Fox
da...@lang.hm wrote: disadvantages to using partitions primarily boils down to one you have to decide ahead of time how big to make the partitions, and changing this later is non-trivial. if you guess wrong you can end up running out of space in one place while you have extra

Re: Disk layout for XO-1.5

2009-07-28 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, Another important advantage to partitions is that the existence of a boot partition isolates the firmware from changes in the filesystem used for the root. can you explain this a bit more? Concrete example: if you want to use btrfs on your root filesystem, you must have

Re: Disk layout for XO-1.5

2009-07-28 Thread Mitch Bradley
da...@lang.hm wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Mitch Bradley wrote: Another important advantage to partitions is that the existence of a boot partition isolates the firmware from changes in the filesystem used for the root. can you explain this a bit more? A conventional BIOS boots by

Re: Disk layout for XO-1.5

2009-07-28 Thread david
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Paul Fox wrote: da...@lang.hm wrote: disadvantages to using partitions primarily boils down to one you have to decide ahead of time how big to make the partitions, and changing this later is non-trivial. if you guess wrong you can end up running out of space in

Re: Disk layout for XO-1.5

2009-07-28 Thread Paul Fox
sascha wrote: good stuff about LVM thank you. i was aware of LVM, but didn't realize it would accomplish quite what i was proposing. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: Disk layout for XO-1.5

2009-07-28 Thread david
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Mitch Bradley wrote: da...@lang.hm wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Mitch Bradley wrote: Another important advantage to partitions is that the existence of a boot partition isolates the firmware from changes in the filesystem used for the root. can you explain this a

Re: Disk layout for XO-1.5

2009-07-28 Thread Mitch Bradley
lilo is nearly worst of breed in terms of putting magic stuff in the Master Boot Record. da...@lang.hm wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Mitch Bradley wrote: da...@lang.hm wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Mitch Bradley wrote: Another important advantage to partitions is that the existence of a boot

Re: Disk layout for XO-1.5

2009-07-28 Thread david
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Mitch Bradley wrote: lilo is nearly worst of breed in terms of putting magic stuff in the Master Boot Record. every boot loader puts stuff in the master boot record (it's own code if nothing else) lilo puts everything there needed to find the disk blocks it needs.

Re: new F11-for-XO1 images available for testing

2009-07-28 Thread rihowa...@gmail.com
Any thoughts on moving from jffs to ubifs ? Seems like ubifs has really improved in stability recently. I have been playing with some ARM based devices, using a recent kernel, and went from jffs to ubifs and the file access and boot performance improved enormously. Should hopefully see the

Re: new F11-for-XO1 images available for testing

2009-07-28 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/7/29 rihowa...@gmail.com rihowa...@gmail.com: Any thoughts on moving from jffs to ubifs ? Seems like ubifs has really improved in stability recently. I think we are ready to do this without too much hassle - but first let's wait until someone has actually made and published a build and

Re: new F11-for-XO1 images available for testing

2009-07-28 Thread rihowa...@gmail.com
Daniel that is interesting. My arm devices are booting directly on ubifs. One is running ubuntu ( SheevaPlug ) and the other Fed 8 ( OpenRD Client). I am going to build Fed 11 this weekend for the OpenRD Client and then try and get the XS bits ported to it (but that is for a separate thread

Re: new F11-for-XO1 images available for testing

2009-07-28 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:13:34PM -0700, rihowa...@gmail.com wrote: Wish I knew how to create drivers for OFW so it could boot from UBIFS. Why bother? Do what debxo does and leave OFW a boot partition to deal with, that way you wouldn't need to have UBIFS in OFW. -- James Cameron

Re: [Server-devel] the first user is admin moodle policy

2009-07-28 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 03:25:35PM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Joshua N Pritikinjpriti...@pobox.com wrote: Can I create regular logins just to get started on exploring moodle? - If you want to get 'admin' on the patched Moodle on XS, see