Hi,
> Though it would be nicer to me if OHM could keep the back light
> level if not suspending to avoid this problem.
This is the case in recent Joyride builds.
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makes it worth investigating even solutions that make the mesh slower
to respond. (But my job is to get our battery to last longer, so of
course I'm going to say that. :)
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>> > Though it would be nicer to me if OHM could keep the back light
>> > level if not suspending to avoid this problem.
Thanks to Andrew and Mikus for noticing this happening with inhibited
suspend, the fix is in a new OHM that'll be in the next Joyride build.
Hi,
>> Only Pippy actually crashes - it fails to launch completely.
> Logged #6475 for Pippy, with a minimal patch attached.
Applied, thanks. I've pushed a Pippy-19.xo release to Joyride.
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causes its peer list to be emptied on resume?
If we have to disable OHM to test something in particular, that's okay,
but we won't be testing what we plan on shipping if we do so.
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>> Project name : Read ETexts Activity
> Done. Your tree is here:
> git+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/git/activities/read
We already ship an activity called Read with the XO -- could we call
the repository for this one something like "etexts" to avoid confusion?
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Hi Mikus,
> How do I prevent 'Read' (or whatever) from letting my XO 'suspend'?
touch /etc/inhibit-ebook-sleep
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> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Pymunx
Wow, how awesome! Do you have an XO to test on? Have you thought about
releasing a standalone .xo, or throwing these into Pippy? What are the
dependencies and disk usage like for the underlying chipmunk library?
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and most of them worked. Some of them depend on pyglet, I think.
Let me know if you'd like to go ahead and roll these up into Pippy --
maybe we could pick three or so of the examples for it?
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terested to hear your feedback on the activity, and if you
have any suggestions on which dictionaries are best to use. I'm
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> -Web 86
I think we need to leave Web in, to bootstrap installing other
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Hi,
> what does inhibit-idle-suspend do?
It allows you to disable automatic idle suspend while keeping enabled
the explicit suspend on power button press or lid close. Previously,
there was only the inhibit-suspend file that inhibits both of the above.
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ru, Mexico or G1G1 customization key.
I'll prepare a zip file of a customization key with the G1G1 activities
on tomorrow, we can see if there are any version discrepencies between
our bundles, and I'll release a G1G1 customization key and the script
tomorrow. Sound okay?
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icularly awesome. (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/1_Hour_Smoke_Test)
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> # olpc-update update.1-702
Gary C Martin mailed me off-list to point out that this will need to be
"/usr/sbin/olpc-update update.1-702" unless you're logged in as root
directly, or have root's environment through "sudo su -".
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e easiest way is to download the latest Joyride
build and test the automatic power management there. There are also
some related wiki pages:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Power_Management
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OHM_power_management
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Suspend_and_resume
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plenty of activities will help to get those activities tested.
If you have an activity that works and is ready for testing by
the community at large, feel free to push it into Joyride.
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We'll be meeting in #olpc-meeting on Freenode in fifteen minutes from
now. Agenda:
* State of update.1. Report available at:
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gnarly dependencies
(bonobo, corba..) but there wouldn't be a need to put them in every
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created by running
"olpc-netlog" to #6739, and I'll take a look.
I don't know whether this is a regression -- the current theory in the
bug is that we're simply not receiving packets from the network. I'll
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.. or you can use Bert's script:
wget dev.laptop.org/~bert/update-activities.py
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> I *think* Richard mentioned that he planned to move the
> gnome-power-manager logic to OHM at some point.
Sounds good. There haven't been any upstream commits to OHM in over
six months, though, so I think we'd have to do this ourselves.
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the local mesh only.
It would be worth someone checking out the Theora team's latest
optimizations, which might make Theora solve the codec problem.
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e is that, even though it's groveling inside
the downloader internals, it won't require introducing a new API
dependency between activities and sugar. Sugar gang, any thoughts?
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and 1895, and it hasn't run against 1896 yet. So, we can suspect that
it's either in 1896 only or local to your build.
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> FYI, I did some packaging work and resurrected the video-chat
> activity. I was able to videocall my 2 XO's and to call one XO
> using Empathy from my desktop.
You rock!
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* The debuginfo packaging failed. Adding:
%define _enable_debug_packages 0
to the top of the specfile disables that part of the build, and
produced a working kernel package.
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> By the way, will remaining and new RSA keys be tested for bad
> randomness?
Yes. We have the openssh-blacklist package installed, which contains
keyhashes of all possible weak keys and disallows logins using them.
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> happened before development.
This isn't true at all. I got my first hardware, as a non-employee with
no relationship to the project, in May 2006. We'd sent hundreds of
laptops out via the public developer program by the time G1G1 happened.
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What do people think of the straw man in that ticket? Should we
implement it?
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> stick.
I agree that we could look for large activities to delete in preference
to large user-generated files. I'm trying to keep this somewhat simple
because we're doing it before Sugar has even launched.
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robust, now that it works; we can guarantee the child thread will die
when the parent does.
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Hi,
This article's very interesting:
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-touchpad/
Looks like Synaptics touchpads can detect (up to three?) fingers
independently. This would allow us to start prototyping multitouch
software using normal laptops.
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ou can specify gestures that only fire when the
required number of fingers are down -- but there's only one set of x/y
coordinates coming from the touchpad rather than one set per finger.
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Anyone familiar with Debian's build naming will see intentional
similarities here.
Apologies in advance for any misunderstandings or omissions from the
discussion that crept in to this mail -- don't take this summary as
ratified until this thread stops getting new replies. :)
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> fedora's users derivatives.
I don't know of a "Fedora way" (or a "Debian way") for creating a
separate build stream for testing at a slower rate than Rawhide; let me
know if there is. It sounds like you're chiefly upset that we'r
suspend when an SD card is plugged in.
* pushing wakeup decisions to the EC (#6010) -- this will make the
wakeup logic more reliable.
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unsupported as of approximately today, which makes it a non-starter
for future releases.
The F9 build does boot into Sugar -- we aren't going to leave everyone
with a broken build for long. It has bugs, though. We need help fixing
the bugs more than we need a demand for constantly stable
/5703
That's not the main reason for doing it, though; we've always planned
on having the wakeup decision made by the EC, but didn't have the
ability to set the wakeup mask until recently.
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Question: is simple_strtoul() safe here?
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diff --git a/arch/x86/kernel/olpc-pm.c b/ar
hoping for a lid-switch attribute as well -- Richard
and Jordan, does that route through the Southbridge, or should it be
listed here? (If it should be, where in the SCI mask is it?)
Similarly, I'm guessing there's no way for the EC to inhibit power
button press wakeups?
Thanks!
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e-only bit.
> My preffered option is to make it r/w, call it wlan_enabled and
> than we could check the state via the file too by storing the
> current setting.
All applied in the replacement patch below. Thanks!
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omeone's willing to volunteer to do the
install, I don't see a reason not to go for it.
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> Unfortunately, after I boot up the custom kernel, the X server
> fails to start because /home is mounted read-only.
It's a bug in the "master" series kernel RPMs (or rather, in the initrd
that accompanies them). It's being worked on.
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oceed on with our regularly-scheduled world-saving.
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to boot if the filesystem is full, because it can't write its logfiles.
Having 4M reserved for root won't change that, since Sugar runs as olpc.
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I'll help folks at 1cc to get logged in before the meeting tomorrow,
to avoid distractions. If you're unable to use Gobby, we'll keep IRC
open for you.
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will do so together here:
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ernal things have bitten us though. gtksourceview API
> change prevents Pippy-20 from launching (that's the version
> installed by Bert's script, even today)
> http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3488
And an Sugar API change caused Pippy to stop being able to build
activities:
.
#7353 : F-9 bloat
\- needs help. Lots of Fedora people are paying attention to this
right now so we should try to make use of their talents.
Activity updates:
\- cscott has an activity updater activity.
\- marco has a Help activity that needs an icon and content.
- C
ink the
Sugar side is done; I just need a way to trigger the state saving from
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> What would it take to put in a journaling filesystem?
The "j" in "jffs2" stands for "journalling".
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ing the logistical cost of LZO support in OFW or partitions.
Saving a movie would be faster still than LZO if we could just tell
jffs2 that we're giving it compressed data that it shouldn't recompress.
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Deepak suggests (in #2886) using something like an O_NOCOMPRESSION flag
to open(2), which sounds fine to me. We'd either pass it to Python's
open() (how?) or set it immediately after open with fcntl(, F_SETFL, ).
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at different points in launch depending on which activity launch
scheme you're using. I think a stopwatch is the best idea for now.
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once it has syntax highlighting. Another useful feature would be for
Write to have unique background colors for collaborators, as Gobby does.
I wonder if that would be a small enough task for someone to take on.
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It's talking about pkgconfig packages, not Ubuntu ones.
> Then make says:
make won't work until configure has run successfully.
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objects
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THRESHOLD = 1024 * 50 # 50MB
PATH = "/home/olpc/.sugar/default/datastore/store/*-*"
full, I don't know how I
can search the datastore in that way. We don't have the full query
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> Deleting large rarely used system files will not solve this
> problem. The space will just get used up again until there are no
> more large rarely used files left. It can buy us a week or two but
> wont solve the problem longer ter
t messages,
so these users won't see anything different at all. If they did
see text messages during boot, they would see:
Not enough disk space.
Deleting /home/olpc/.sugar/default/datastore/store/XXX-XXX
(repeated if necessary)
.. scroll past on the Linux console.
-
und-level, not the correct
"Sugar always launches and never runs out of space or deletes user data"
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ren't* few of them or we can't fix them, we should
instead use a non-Sugar GUI for performing the deletion.
* To repeat, the above "full fix" would live in the 8.2 branch,
and not be backported to 656 as part of this solution.
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d should probably also look for
extremely large activities to delete, but it's not sufficient by
itself -- it will only help for one reboot or so.
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(And then Perl another couple of times, for good luck.)
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nk you can get it upstream, too?
In cases like these, I wonder whether just patching Pilgrim to remove
the cracklib file after installation is a good idea -- it lets us avoid
the package fork. Getting the patch accepted upstream would be best of
all, though.
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Hi,
> I've unretired the faster branch temporarily to collect some
> measurements on the costs of adding xfce to our builds.
Could we see what the cost is to go to a full GNOME/nautilus, too?
Thanks,
- Chris.
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