Re: What to expect from developers, are there any left? (was Re: rotate button sucks on the XO)

2009-03-07 Thread S Page
NoiseEHC wrote: I do not even know where to look for log files to attach to a bug report. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Reporting_bugs points you to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Attaching_Sugar_logs_to_tickets 2. I can reliably (100%) trigger the cannot connect to WPA and the dialog asks for a

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-02 Thread NoiseEHC
in any case, so far i've heard no good argument against rotating the touchscreen to match the screen. it may not be the most convenient way to use or hold the laptop, but it would be better than the current situation where screen rotation makes the touchpad almost completely useless.

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-02 Thread NoiseEHC
Jordan, thanks for the info. I only started to use the XV overlay because I had this little hope that somehow I could get a pointer to a hardware buffer to avoid blitting the data but as I see it now the LX driver simply copies the overlay data to the hardware buffer so I could just use simple

What to expect from developers, are there any left? (was Re: rotate button sucks on the XO)

2009-03-02 Thread NoiseEHC
p...@laptop.org wrote: but like david, i think that currently neither olpc nor sugarlabs is going to foster or champion their use: olpc has no resources for s/w development, and as far as i can tell, sugarlabs is targeting other h/w platforms just as strongly as the XO -- and other

What to expect from developers, are there any left? (was Re: rotate button sucks on the XO)

2009-03-02 Thread NoiseEHC
Sorry, I wanted to post it toplevel. p...@laptop.org wrote: but like david, i think that currently neither olpc nor sugarlabs is going to foster or champion their use: olpc has no resources for s/w development, and as far as i can tell, sugarlabs is targeting other h/w platforms just

Re: What to expect from developers, are there any left? (was Re: rotate button sucks on the XO)

2009-03-02 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 02.03.2009, at 11:04, NoiseEHC wrote: Currently I am writing a nice activity which teaches kids what to do when alien spaceships attacks Earth and it will take some time to finish. That's great! But make sure the game prepares them adequately:

Re: What to expect from developers, are there any left? (was Re: rotate button sucks on the XO)

2009-03-02 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/3/2 NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu: Witch the recent disbanding of the development team I simply cannot see what will happen to the XO development. I mean that 8.2.1 will be released and 9.1.0 is dropped but what I do not understand is what will happen with all the development for 9.1.0?

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-02 Thread pgf
noiseehc wrote: The question remains whether we make it rotate to match the closed ebook mode or match the rotated opened-like-a-book mode. there's no good answer to this, because there's no way to make it do the right thing automatically. the lid switch can't be used, because by definition

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-02 Thread NoiseEHC
p...@laptop.org wrote: noiseehc wrote: The question remains whether we make it rotate to match the closed ebook mode or match the rotated opened-like-a-book mode. there's no good answer to this, because there's no way to make it do the right thing automatically. the lid switch can't be

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-02 Thread david
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, p...@laptop.org wrote: noiseehc wrote: The question remains whether we make it rotate to match the closed ebook mode or match the rotated opened-like-a-book mode. there's no good answer to this, because there's no way to make it do the right thing automatically. the

Re: What to expect from developers, are there any left? (was Re: rotate button sucks on the XO)

2009-03-02 Thread NoiseEHC
Daniel Drake wrote: It is unlikely that you (as a user, rather than a deployment) reporting bugs to OLPC will result in another software release *direct from OLPC* (such as 8.2.2), because development of 8.2.x is mostly discontinued and will really only be driven by deployments. Have you

Re: What to expect from developers, are there any left? (was Re: rotate button sucks on the XO)

2009-03-02 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:39 PM, NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu wrote: Daniel Drake wrote: It is unlikely that you (as a user, rather than a deployment) reporting bugs to OLPC will result in another software release *direct from OLPC* (such as 8.2.2), because development of 8.2.x is mostly

Re: What to expect from developers, are there any left? (was Re: rotate button sucks on the XO)

2009-03-02 Thread NoiseEHC
I don't know what your simple program does, but it sounds like it could be a Sugar bug. You should file a ticket at dev.sugarlabs.org. If it is not related to Sugar, we'll try to pass the report along to the proper place. http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/465 It does sound like NM. Look at

Re: What to expect from developers, are there any left? (was Re: rotate button sucks on the XO)

2009-03-02 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/3/2 NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu: My main problem is that knowing who is more responsible requires knowing linux more that I am comfortable with (I am a Windows developer). Here are just 3 examples to show my point: 1. Today I noticed that my simple program can crash the whole sugar

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-02 Thread jordan
Jordan, thanks for the info. I only started to use the XV overlay because I had this little hope that somehow I could get a pointer to a hardware buffer to avoid blitting the data but as I see it now the LX driver simply copies the overlay data to the hardware buffer so I could just use

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-01 Thread pgf
while i can understand the frustration when something that seems simple and obvious doesn't work, starting wout with sucks probably isn't the best way to get people to listen to your issues. how do other people feel about this problem? are there any good reasons to _not_ make the touchpad

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-01 Thread NoiseEHC
p...@laptop.org wrote: while i can understand the frustration when something that seems simple and obvious doesn't work, starting wout with sucks probably isn't the best way to get people to listen to your issues. From my experience, it is the most straightforward way to get some

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-01 Thread NoiseEHC
Aaron Konstam wrote: On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 17:06 +0100, NoiseEHC wrote: Hello! Just today I have noticed some things about the rotate button (which is below the directional buttons on the display part): 1. When the screen is rotated the mouse does not so if I turn the XO to be able to

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-01 Thread Eben Eliason
This whole argument, I feel, is fruitless. That's just my opinion, of course. The touchpad isn't readily accessible in handheld mode, and was never made to be. I'll continue to suggest that the cursor simply be automatically hidden in handheld mode, and that a simple means for taking full

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-01 Thread david
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Eben Eliason wrote: This whole argument, I feel, is fruitless. That's just my opinion, of course. The touchpad isn't readily accessible in handheld mode, and was never made to be. I'll continue to suggest that the cursor simply be automatically hidden in handheld mode,

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-01 Thread NoiseEHC
Eben Eliason wrote: This whole argument, I feel, is fruitless. That's just my opinion, of course. The touchpad isn't readily accessible in handheld mode, and was never made to be. I'll continue to suggest that the cursor simply be automatically hidden in handheld mode, and that a simple

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-01 Thread Eben Eliason
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:39 PM, da...@lang.hm wrote: On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Eben Eliason wrote: This whole argument, I feel, is fruitless.  That's just my opinion, of course. The touchpad isn't readily accessible in handheld mode, and was never made to be.  I'll continue to suggest that the

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-01 Thread david
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Eben Eliason wrote: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:39 PM, da...@lang.hm wrote: On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Eben Eliason wrote: This whole argument, I feel, is fruitless.  That's just my opinion, of course. The touchpad isn't readily accessible in handheld mode, and was never made to

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-01 Thread Eben Eliason
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 6:43 PM, da...@lang.hm wrote: On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Eben Eliason wrote: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:39 PM,  da...@lang.hm wrote: On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Eben Eliason wrote: This whole argument, I feel, is fruitless.  That's just my opinion, of course. The touchpad isn't

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-01 Thread Frederick Grose
By opening the XO in its traditional laptop configuration and then holding it by the handle as if it were an opened book (twist 90 degrees), results in a portrait mode configuration that is more ergonomic for a standing user and perhaps more comfortable for casual use while sitting on a couch or

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-01 Thread Eben Eliason
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 6:58 PM, da...@lang.hm wrote: On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Eben Eliason wrote: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:53 PM, NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu wrote: Eben Eliason wrote: This whole argument, I feel, is fruitless.  That's just my opinion, of course. The touchpad isn't readily

eBook controls (was Re: rotate button sucks on the XO)

2009-03-01 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Eben Eliason e...@laptop.org wrote: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 6:43 PM,  da...@lang.hm wrote: On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Eben Eliason wrote: second, you may want to use the keys for something else and not dedicate them to moving the mouse around. For example, next page,

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-01 Thread Jordan Crouse
NoiseEHC wrote: 2. An Xvideo RGB overlay displays the big nothing (black) while the screen is rotated. Indeed - XV is purposely turned off when the screen is rotated (or at least, not displayed): http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-geode/tree/src/lx_video.c#n465 Jordan

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-01 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Jordan Crouse wrote: NoiseEHC wrote: 2. An Xvideo RGB overlay displays the big nothing (black) while the screen is rotated. Indeed - XV is purposely turned off when the screen is rotated (or at least, not displayed): The LX hardware supports rotated blits, right? So in principle,

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-01 Thread Jordan Crouse
Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Jordan Crouse wrote: NoiseEHC wrote: 2. An Xvideo RGB overlay displays the big nothing (black) while the screen is rotated. Indeed - XV is purposely turned off when the screen is rotated (or at least, not displayed): The LX hardware supports rotated blits,

Re: rotate button sucks on the XO

2009-03-01 Thread pgf
eben wrote: Start with the most basic, and build up. There's a limited set of buttons there; that's something to be dealt with. Video game consoles have done a pretty good job with similar limitations. At least in the 90s they did. These days they've caved in to many more buttons.