[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-25 Thread Zero3
Matthew Toseland skrev: > On Thursday 21 May 2009 11:54:32 Zero3 wrote: >> Matthew Toseland skrev: >>> On Sunday 17 May 2009 11:43:26 Zero3 wrote: Colin Davis skrev: > As implemented currently, Private browsing is all-or-nothing in > FF3.5beta4 and Safari, but Google Chrome is

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-25 Thread Zero3
Matthew Toseland skrev: On Thursday 21 May 2009 11:54:32 Zero3 wrote: Matthew Toseland skrev: On Sunday 17 May 2009 11:43:26 Zero3 wrote: Colin Davis skrev: As implemented currently, Private browsing is all-or-nothing in FF3.5beta4 and Safari, but Google Chrome is per-window. Firefox has

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-21 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 21 May 2009 11:54:32 Zero3 wrote: > Matthew Toseland skrev: > > On Sunday 17 May 2009 11:43:26 Zero3 wrote: > >> Colin Davis skrev: > >>> As implemented currently, Private browsing is all-or-nothing in > >>> FF3.5beta4 and Safari, but Google Chrome is per-window. > Firefox has

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-21 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 21 May 2009 18:54:38 Colin Davis wrote: > As an aside, Matthew had asked in the past about reducing the number of > connections from the browser to the node. > > Digg's new library may be able to assist- It breaks images into data uris, > and then inlines them. > > Even if Freenet

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-21 Thread Colin Davis
As an aside, Matthew had asked in the past about reducing the number of connections from the browser to the node. Digg's new library may be able to assist- It breaks images into data uris, and then inlines them. Even if Freenet doesn't want to use the library, inlining images as Data URIs may

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-21 Thread Zero3
Matthew Toseland skrev: > On Sunday 17 May 2009 11:43:26 Zero3 wrote: >> Colin Davis skrev: >>> As implemented currently, Private browsing is all-or-nothing in >>> FF3.5beta4 and Safari, but Google Chrome is per-window. Firefox has issues with coalescing windows, no? If I run firefox with >

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-21 Thread Zero3
Matthew Toseland skrev: On Sunday 17 May 2009 11:43:26 Zero3 wrote: Colin Davis skrev: As implemented currently, Private browsing is all-or-nothing in FF3.5beta4 and Safari, but Google Chrome is per-window. Firefox has issues with coalescing windows, no? If I run firefox with command

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-21 Thread Colin Davis
As an aside, Matthew had asked in the past about reducing the number of connections from the browser to the node. Digg's new library may be able to assist- It breaks images into data uris, and then inlines them. Even if Freenet doesn't want to use the library, inlining images as Data URIs may

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-21 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 21 May 2009 18:54:38 Colin Davis wrote: As an aside, Matthew had asked in the past about reducing the number of connections from the browser to the node. Digg's new library may be able to assist- It breaks images into data uris, and then inlines them. Even if Freenet doesn't

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-21 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 21 May 2009 11:54:32 Zero3 wrote: Matthew Toseland skrev: On Sunday 17 May 2009 11:43:26 Zero3 wrote: Colin Davis skrev: As implemented currently, Private browsing is all-or-nothing in FF3.5beta4 and Safari, but Google Chrome is per-window. Firefox has issues with

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-20 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Sunday 17 May 2009 11:41:00 Zero3 wrote: > Matthew Toseland skrev: > >> Detecting the version of an installed application in the launcher (at > >> least in Windows) shouldn't be a problem. It will most likely be > >> registered in the registry next to the .exe path we are checking already >

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-20 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Sunday 17 May 2009 11:43:26 Zero3 wrote: > Colin Davis skrev: > > As implemented currently, Private browsing is all-or-nothing in > > FF3.5beta4 and Safari, but Google Chrome is per-window. > >> Firefox has issues with coalescing windows, no? If I run firefox with command > >> line options

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-20 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Sunday 17 May 2009 11:41:00 Zero3 wrote: Matthew Toseland skrev: Detecting the version of an installed application in the launcher (at least in Windows) shouldn't be a problem. It will most likely be registered in the registry next to the .exe path we are checking already for the

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-20 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Sunday 17 May 2009 11:43:26 Zero3 wrote: Colin Davis skrev: As implemented currently, Private browsing is all-or-nothing in FF3.5beta4 and Safari, but Google Chrome is per-window. Firefox has issues with coalescing windows, no? If I run firefox with command line options to use one

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-17 Thread Zero3
Colin Davis skrev: > As implemented currently, Private browsing is all-or-nothing in > FF3.5beta4 and Safari, but Google Chrome is per-window. >> Firefox has issues with coalescing windows, no? If I run firefox with >> command >> line options to use one profile, it may use another if a window

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-17 Thread Zero3
Matthew Toseland skrev: >> Detecting the version of an installed application in the launcher (at >> least in Windows) shouldn't be a problem. It will most likely be >> registered in the registry next to the .exe path we are checking already >> for the individual browsers. We can also check the

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-17 Thread Zero3
Matthew Toseland skrev: > Firefox has issues with coalescing windows, no? If I run firefox with command > line options to use one profile, it may use another if a window is already > open, there are things like that... Is opening a window with privacy mode > enabled safe and reliable? I

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-17 Thread Zero3
Colin Davis skrev: > We could probe on the main fproxy page, in the same place we have the IE > warning, IIRC. > If they switch it off after that, it's their business; They turned it > on, and they can turn it off. I agree. We could include a first-time dismissable infobox informing the user

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-17 Thread Zero3
Colin Davis skrev: We could probe on the main fproxy page, in the same place we have the IE warning, IIRC. If they switch it off after that, it's their business; They turned it on, and they can turn it off. I agree. We could include a first-time dismissable infobox informing the user that

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-17 Thread Zero3
Matthew Toseland skrev: Firefox has issues with coalescing windows, no? If I run firefox with command line options to use one profile, it may use another if a window is already open, there are things like that... Is opening a window with privacy mode enabled safe and reliable? I haven't

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-17 Thread Zero3
Matthew Toseland skrev: Detecting the version of an installed application in the launcher (at least in Windows) shouldn't be a problem. It will most likely be registered in the registry next to the .exe path we are checking already for the individual browsers. We can also check the version

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-17 Thread Zero3
Colin Davis skrev: As implemented currently, Private browsing is all-or-nothing in FF3.5beta4 and Safari, but Google Chrome is per-window. Firefox has issues with coalescing windows, no? If I run firefox with command line options to use one profile, it may use another if a window is

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-15 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 15 May 2009 16:21:12 Zero3 wrote: > Matthew Toseland skrev: > > On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:40:31 Zero3 wrote: > >> Matthew Toseland skrev: > >>> Related idea: We should maybe tell the user in the installer that they > > should > >>> use a separate browser for Freenet, rather than in

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-15 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 15 May 2009 16:21:12 Zero3 wrote: > Matthew Toseland skrev: > > On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:40:31 Zero3 wrote: > >> Matthew Toseland skrev: > >>> Related idea: We should maybe tell the user in the installer that they > > should > >>> use a separate browser for Freenet, rather than in

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-15 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 15 May 2009 19:33:16 Colin Davis wrote: > We could probe on the main fproxy page, in the same place we have the IE > warning, IIRC. > If they switch it off after that, it's their business; They turned it > on, and they can turn it off. > > > I'm assuming that once you have switched

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-15 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 15 May 2009 16:24:53 Zero3 wrote: > Colin Davis skrev: > > The most reliable way to detect incognito mode is to use the CSS detect > > trick. > > If we can detect their CSS links followed, they are not in privacy mode. > > http://crypto.stanford.edu/~collinj/research/incognito/ > > -CPD

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-15 Thread Zero3
Colin Davis skrev: > The most reliable way to detect incognito mode is to use the CSS detect > trick. > If we can detect their CSS links followed, they are not in privacy mode. > http://crypto.stanford.edu/~collinj/research/incognito/ > -CPD It wouldn't be a bad idea to do such a check

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-15 Thread Zero3
Matthew Toseland skrev: > On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:40:31 Zero3 wrote: >> Matthew Toseland skrev: >>> Related idea: We should maybe tell the user in the installer that they > should >>> use a separate browser for Freenet, rather than in the wizard? And then > let >>> them choose one, and then

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-15 Thread Colin Davis
As implemented currently, Private browsing is all-or-nothing in FF3.5beta4 and Safari, but Google Chrome is per-window. > Firefox has issues with coalescing windows, no? If I run firefox with command > line options to use one profile, it may use another if a window is already > open, there are

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-15 Thread Colin Davis
We could probe on the main fproxy page, in the same place we have the IE warning, IIRC. If they switch it off after that, it's their business; They turned it on, and they can turn it off. > I'm assuming that once you have switched "privacy mode" off, websites can't > probe links you've visited

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-15 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:40:31 Zero3 wrote: > Matthew Toseland skrev: > > Related idea: We should maybe tell the user in the installer that they should > > use a separate browser for Freenet, rather than in the wizard? And then let > > them choose one, and then use it when they click on the

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-15 Thread Zero3
Matthew Toseland skrev: On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:40:31 Zero3 wrote: Matthew Toseland skrev: Related idea: We should maybe tell the user in the installer that they should use a separate browser for Freenet, rather than in the wizard? And then let them choose one, and then use it when

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-15 Thread Zero3
Colin Davis skrev: The most reliable way to detect incognito mode is to use the CSS detect trick. If we can detect their CSS links followed, they are not in privacy mode. http://crypto.stanford.edu/~collinj/research/incognito/ -CPD It wouldn't be a bad idea to do such a check automatically!

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-15 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 15 May 2009 16:24:53 Zero3 wrote: Colin Davis skrev: The most reliable way to detect incognito mode is to use the CSS detect trick. If we can detect their CSS links followed, they are not in privacy mode. http://crypto.stanford.edu/~collinj/research/incognito/ -CPD It

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-15 Thread Colin Davis
We could probe on the main fproxy page, in the same place we have the IE warning, IIRC. If they switch it off after that, it's their business; They turned it on, and they can turn it off. I'm assuming that once you have switched privacy mode off, websites can't probe links you've visited

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-15 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 15 May 2009 19:33:16 Colin Davis wrote: We could probe on the main fproxy page, in the same place we have the IE warning, IIRC. If they switch it off after that, it's their business; They turned it on, and they can turn it off. I'm assuming that once you have switched privacy

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-15 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 15 May 2009 16:21:12 Zero3 wrote: Matthew Toseland skrev: On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:40:31 Zero3 wrote: Matthew Toseland skrev: Related idea: We should maybe tell the user in the installer that they should use a separate browser for Freenet, rather than in the wizard? And

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-15 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 15 May 2009 16:21:12 Zero3 wrote: Matthew Toseland skrev: On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:40:31 Zero3 wrote: Matthew Toseland skrev: Related idea: We should maybe tell the user in the installer that they should use a separate browser for Freenet, rather than in the wizard? And

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-15 Thread Colin Davis
As implemented currently, Private browsing is all-or-nothing in FF3.5beta4 and Safari, but Google Chrome is per-window. Firefox has issues with coalescing windows, no? If I run firefox with command line options to use one profile, it may use another if a window is already open, there are

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-14 Thread Zero3
Matthew Toseland skrev: > Related idea: We should maybe tell the user in the installer that they should > use a separate browser for Freenet, rather than in the wizard? And then let > them choose one, and then use it when they click on the icon to browse > Freenet? (#3104) Most major browsers

[freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-14 Thread Zero3
Matthew Toseland skrev: Related idea: We should maybe tell the user in the installer that they should use a separate browser for Freenet, rather than in the wizard? And then let them choose one, and then use it when they click on the icon to browse Freenet? (#3104) Most major browsers

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-14 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:40:31 Zero3 wrote: Matthew Toseland skrev: Related idea: We should maybe tell the user in the installer that they should use a separate browser for Freenet, rather than in the wizard? And then let them choose one, and then use it when they click on the icon to

Re: [freenet-dev] Separate browser or not

2009-05-14 Thread Colin Davis
The most reliable way to detect incognito mode is to use the CSS detect trick. If we can detect their CSS links followed, they are not in privacy mode. http://crypto.stanford.edu/~collinj/research/incognito/ -CPD Matthew Toseland wrote: On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:40:31 Zero3 wrote: Matthew