Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki
On Sunday, February 26, 2017 09:54:27 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > Interesting, I used mutt for a while back in 1998 or 1999, them were the > days. Google Inbox these days (which does have some annoying qualities, > doesn't seem to do so well with formatting quoted replies). Btw, I would REALLY appreciate if you could fix the quoting :) Almost every mail of yours has broken quoting, and often your mails mix quoted text with your own text without showing *any* indicator that it is a quote. It usually takes many minutes to figure out what is text of yours, and that cost happens for everyone who wants to read it... Perhaps you actually might want to try a real mail client again? :) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki
On Sunday, February 26, 2017 07:02:35 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > Ok, I'm not making a specific point about any particular decision, I just > don't want us be paralyzed by needing to accommodate every obscure edge-case > in anything we do. :) I also don't want us to be paralyzed by edge cases - which specifically is why I am advocating for email: It is a *standard*, and it has had decades to become solid. So if we go with email again there will be few edge cases since the zoo of clients has had sufficiently long time to become compliant. Using a web service instead would cause lots of edge cases because they're not standardized in any useful way. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] DDG Donation Roadblocks
On Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:27:00 PM Freenet wrote: > x...@freenetproject.org: > > On Saturday, February 25, 2017 08:23:00 PM Freenet wrote: > >> What is stopping the funding from DuckDuckGo (received over a year ago) > >> from being disbursed? > > > > Finding someone qualified to hire. > > We know what we want done (finally), we should be starting to open up > applications for potential employees. The person with hiring authority > should realize this is a priority especially if it allows our volunteers > to get some of their tasks done by a paid worker. And who is gonna review their code for whether it is actually good? The only people who are familiar with the codebase enough to do that are the volunteers. > > While it is indeed frustrating to see no progress here, I would please > > remind you that all of us are volunteers currently which means we have > > very limited time - and that time is fully consumed by the fact that we > > have to: - migrate the website > > - migrate the 3 wikis > > - migrate the bugtracker (I'm at it) > > - migrate the mailing lists and mail > > - do a Freenet release since there has not been one for half a year and we > > must do one soon due to the SSL certificate expiring > > > > All of those are complex tasks, and thus it would be very unwise to now > > start the even more complex task of hiring someone AND reviewing their > > code for whether the quality is sufficient / they aren't ripping us of. > > > > Thus I would propose we wait until the server migration is finished before > > we deal with the hiring. > > We have a nice amount of resources that can be used to help with all the > tasks above Same as above: Someone needs to review the result. That's the volunteers again. > the fact we are currently relying on volunteers to figure > out who to hire is unacceptable. > At the end of the day, the Freenet Project has a list of board members who > should be deciding who the next employees are. Perhaps this assumption of yours is a source of misconception: The board members *ARE* volunteers as well. Ian does not get paid AFAIK. He's a full-time entrepreneur with something else. So the time he has is very limited. And he hasn't worked on the codebase for a long time AFAIK. So he likely cannot assist with the necessary code review. > Volunteers cannot be trusted to commit to a project forever, looking at > the state of our disarray, we might benefit more from hiring a project > manager. Most of our core volunteer team have been on the project for about a decade, and are unlikely to leave any soon. Please give the people some trust, they deserve it :) We just need to be patient for a while. The bugtracker migration is almost finished. The website as well. People are working on the Wiki stuff etc. The old server can go away soon. And don't forget: Those projects *ARE* delivery of new work. It's just that we are getting it for free mostly! > > Sorry but it would be absolutely impossible to find someone trustworthy > > enough to hand them over $27500 right away in that timespan. > > I thought the months of debate resulted in we are paying for piece work, > where payment is made upon successful pull request. "Successful pull request" = someone has to review it first. That's the volunteers... > The migration of the wikis has been going on for years. The migration of > the bugtracker and mailing list just started, maybe we should put those > projects on hold. We cannot put those projects on hold because our old server is severely outdated and needs to disappear soon. The contract it is subject to isn't even being offered by the hosting company anymore normally. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Website Redesign Pre-pre-alpha
Only have a few seconds for feedback just now, but we should change "What's Freenet" to "What is Freenet?", and "Freenet Features" to "Features". We should probably have more to explain what Freenet is, and the Download link in the "What's Freenet" section doesn't really belong there. On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 3:02 AM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Everyone, I've put a new release up here: https://ademan-laptop.github.io/freenet-website-redesign-pelican/ Some resource images are broken due to the /freenet-website-redesign-pelican/ prefix, and I'm not certain there's a good way to fix this. (Relative paths break with our i18n_subsites usage). Please ignore that for the moment. Please take a look at the language menu's style, I extrapolated from the design we bought, but I am not really a designer. I think I'll change its functionality so that changing language keeps you on the same page. The language menu picks up any messages.mo files (generated from .po files) and gives them a language entry. I appreciate any and all constructive feedback. Thanks,Dan On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: Dan Roberts writes: > Hey Everyone, > I'll be posting the website for feedback tomorrow. Great! > I seem to constantly > find new things to fix, but I could probably nit-pick forever, That’s common problem ☺ > I'd like to also create and/or link to a google plus freenet page. I found > this: https://plus.google.com/communities/107006765679470608749 I think > it's worth having something. There’s also the Deep Web community: https://plus.google.com/communities/104253064892524682250 > I'll be removing the pinterest and instagram social media links unless > somebody thinks we should have a presence there too. There’s a difference between thinking we should be there and having someone who does it: If we had someone who maintains them, I’d say we should be there. According to teachers, instagram is where the cool people are are nowadays. If not, not. I think this goes for every social network. > The difference from twitter, google+ and facebook are that we > incidentally generate content to put on those sites (news items can be > copied and pasted and/or linked to), the more image-oriented social > media would take extra effort (that I don't believe would be worth > while). Sounds reasonable. Best wishes, Arne -- Unpolitisch sein heißt politisch sein ohne es zu merken ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl Ian ClarkeStacks - Our AI will save your moneyhttp://trystacks.com/ ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Website Redesign Pre-pre-alpha
Hey Everyone, I've put a new release up here: https://ademan-laptop.github.io/freenet-website-redesign-pelican/ Some resource images are broken due to the /freenet-website-redesign-pelican/ prefix, and I'm not certain there's a good way to fix this. (Relative paths break with our i18n_subsites usage). Please ignore that for the moment. Please take a look at the language menu's style, I extrapolated from the design we bought, but I am not really a designer. I think I'll change its functionality so that changing language keeps you on the same page. The language menu picks up any messages.mo files (generated from .po files) and gives them a language entry. I appreciate any and all constructive feedback. Thanks, Dan On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > > Dan Roberts writes: > > > Hey Everyone, > > I'll be posting the website for feedback tomorrow. > > Great! > > > I seem to constantly > > find new things to fix, but I could probably nit-pick forever, > > That’s common problem ☺ > > > I'd like to also create and/or link to a google plus freenet page. I > found > > this: https://plus.google.com/communities/107006765679470608749 I think > > it's worth having something. > > There’s also the Deep Web community: > https://plus.google.com/communities/104253064892524682250 > > > I'll be removing the pinterest and instagram social media links unless > > somebody thinks we should have a presence there too. > > There’s a difference between thinking we should be there and having > someone who does it: If we had someone who maintains them, I’d say we > should be there. According to teachers, instagram is where the cool > people are are nowadays. If not, not. I think this goes for every social > network. > > > The difference from twitter, google+ and facebook are that we > > incidentally generate content to put on those sites (news items can be > > copied and pasted and/or linked to), the more image-oriented social > > media would take extra effort (that I don't believe would be worth > > while). > > Sounds reasonable. > > Best wishes, > Arne > -- > Unpolitisch sein > heißt politisch sein > ohne es zu merken > > ___ > Devl mailing list > Devl@freenetproject.org > https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl > ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
