Re: [freenet-dev] Idea for marketing, related to GSoC student decision

2011-04-20 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Tuesday 19 April 2011 19:22:09 Matthew Toseland wrote:
 On Monday 18 Apr 2011 15:49:50 xor wrote:
  IF we get a decent new web interface done which integrates all of those,
  we could make a theme which completely looks like Facebook and then do
  a major press release which claims something like Freenet project
  implements anonymous Facebook. This would probably hit most of the IT
  news sites and help usability very much because there are hundreds of
  millions of Facebook users and Facebook is a major buzzword.

 And probably result in legal issues e.g. trademark violation.

“Freenet takes a hint from Facebook, but with real privacy (even from its
developers)”

“Don’t put your face in their book. Join the free net.”

Just some legally safe PR ideas :)

Best wishes,
Arne

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Re: [freenet-dev] Idea for marketing, related to GSoC student decision

2011-04-19 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 18 Apr 2011 15:49:50 xor wrote:
 Hi,
 while looking at a screenshot of Sone and being impressed at it I had the 
 following marketing idea:
 
 We have FlogHelper, Freemail, Sone, Web Of Trust and Freetalk.
 If we integrate them all on the web interface properly and extend them with 
 some features we could get many of the interesting Facebook features: 
 - Sone already provides the core of Facebook - the wall-style messaging
 - Freemail will provide private messaging if zidel's GSoC project is taken 
 and 
 succeeds
 - Profile pages could be done at WOT. Easy to implement

And important IMHO. They must link to ALL the WoT services. I.e. you click on 
somebody in Freetalk and go to their profile, then you click a button to send 
them a private message, or see their flog, or whatever.

 - Photo albums are also easy to implement and could be done in WOT or Sone

Or FlogHelper? I guess it would be best to separate and integrate...

Photos are clearly valuable even if the traditional usages of them are far from 
anonymous. 

But we need more broadly to make it really easy for individual users to publish 
files of all sorts. If they are pictures they should be in galleries; if they 
are bigger files they might just be searchable. There is likely some overlap 
here...

 - Freetalk provides the group-collaborating / classic Internet messaging
 (- FlogHelper would be a bonus, not related to Facebook but blogging is also 
 popular on the net)
 
 IF we get a decent new web interface done which integrates all of those, we 
 could make a theme which completely looks like Facebook and then do a major 
 press release which claims something like Freenet project implements 
 anonymous Facebook. This would probably hit most of the IT news sites and 
 help usability very much because there are hundreds of millions of Facebook 
 users and Facebook is a major buzzword.

And probably result in legal issues e.g. trademark violation.
 
 This is also not solely a marketing idea, it is somewhat needed for a good 
 code architecture which avoids duplication:
 We have to find a way of making WOT UI available in all WOT-clients without 
 code duplication. This requires some serious internal architecture 
 improvements of the web interface probably.

Strongly in favour. We need the Community menu for managing trust levels, and 
if we do it properly it can do a lot more than that.
 
 Given that the architecture of our web interface is homebrew, difficult to 
 use 
 by web developers and needs a complete re-write anyway I suggest that we 
 include what I've described in this mail in our GSoC decision:
 
 IF there is a good student besides zidel who wants to revamp the web 
 interface 
 with a web-UI-framework we should try to take him. We could benefit very much 
 from a new code architecture of the web interface!


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Re: [freenet-dev] Idea for marketing, related to GSoC student decision

2011-04-18 Thread Pouyan Zachar
[xor]


 IF we get a decent new web interface done which integrates all of those, we
 could make a theme which completely looks like Facebook and then do a major
 press release which claims something like Freenet project implements
 anonymous Facebook. This would probably hit most of the IT news sites and
 help usability very much because there are hundreds of millions of Facebook
 users and Facebook is a major buzzword.

 Given that the architecture of our web interface is homebrew, difficult to
 use
 by web developers and needs a complete re-write anyway I suggest that we
 include what I've described in this mail in our GSoC decision:

 IF there is a good student besides zidel who wants to revamp the web
 interface
 with a web-UI-framework we should try to take him. We could benefit very
 much
 from a new code architecture of the web interface!



This would be great! If it is done before Diaspora [
https://joindiaspora.com/] (or similar) release, it would be a great hit for
Freenet! (Diaspora aims to provide a decentralized open source social
networking platform). All those people considered with commercial, unsafe
and centralized nature of social networks such as Facebook, Orkut, etc.
(e.g. myself!) could use Freenet as a replacement!

The most important issue on moving to a new architecture and replace/enhance
the current structure with a more developer/designer friendly one is
deciding the right framework. Currently a custom from-the-scratch framework
utilizing apache velocity and extending existing toadletServer and Toadlets
is considered.(
http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/2011-April/001504.html).

If we reach a consensus on this matter I could start building a prototype
framework and perform some tests on already existing toadlets.

Regards
Pouyan
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