Re: [freenet-dev] Mockup for a freenet theme: rabbit hole
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Volodya volo...@whengendarmesleeps.orgwrote: Once people see indexes, they already can start playing with Freenet after all. Activelinks can also help them to know that they are able to fetch them successfully (maybe that could be the popup on each activelink If you see an image, you can load the freesite). Having to rely on pop-ups to explain how to use your user interface is a good sign that there is something seriously wrong with your user interface. Activelinks were an ugly kludge that were originally inspired by those Netscape Now! buttons you used to see everywhere until everyone suddenly realized they were hideous back around 1998. Ian. -- Ian Clarke Personal blog: http://blog.locut.us/ ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Mockup for a freenet theme: rabbit hole
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/09/2011 04:13 PM, Ian Clarke wrote: On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Volodya volo...@whengendarmesleeps.org mailto:volo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote: Once people see indexes, they already can start playing with Freenet after all. Activelinks can also help them to know that they are able to fetch them successfully (maybe that could be the popup on each activelink If you see an image, you can load the freesite). Having to rely on pop-ups to explain how to use your user interface is a good sign that there is something seriously wrong with your user interface. Activelinks were an ugly kludge that were originally inspired by those Netscape Now! buttons you used to see everywhere until everyone suddenly realized they were hideous back around 1998. Ian. You have completely misunderstood what i was saying. The tooltip was an 'extra', not the explanation of the user interface. Without the tooltip, the activelink works just as well. Almost everybody who is familiar with icons (and that is really almost everybody) will recognise them for what they are, and those few who have not seen icons on their screen yet have surely seen rectangular buttons. I, on the other hand, have always set activelink as a kin of favicon, but one that exists on the Freenet rather than usual web. There is a problem with Activelinks, as they exist on 0,7, but that is a discussion for the completely different thread. I must confess that i didn't know that Activelinks were inspired by Netscape Now! buttons. That is an interesting piece of history, thanks for sharing it. I once was inspired by Red Hot Chilli Peppers' song and wrote a poem, you can read it at http://freedom.libsyn.com/poem_to_hatemongerers_by_volody_a_v_a if you'd like. - Volodya - -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast None of us are free until all of us are free.~ Mihail Bakunin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNUrAZAAoJENW9VI+wmYas9lcH/0e1oABng0LVk7yxlEjpHG4C sjks33y75oFepos5IL8MAV4uZI35VH9UwrHM1x5hIavxezdDgZrjLIz9XE+XQi/W RGNWVJgq0ePHJEG/tvKLvNy2B1tWN3/I2vlb0UHH6qiFmoHqFtsVixUfzR6uLEUj rFTgl/3eslEJWcf67W9cc8PoL1etm9JqMLI7wNEH9MG5rq86Y2uD1Lit7kP8KU+t Y55qT0VO6QrJcSKVB2XJTHdFu/Ez/myP986U+m8z+iBnSIBbTTXr73lhW3jHVKbx 5zJardCbC+8/I+fJ7rd/9+ZXgwCnQ2p6MhXiBC4hTAs1A4f9p15rysC94i8UqXs= =zu7b -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Mockup for a freenet theme: rabbit hole
Nice clean theme. Hi, I created a mockup for a freenet theme. My main goal was getting the structure out of the way of the content, so I went for a horizontal menu with horizontal submenu (persistent) all done with CSS for performance and cleanlyness :) The rest is done with the theme „into the rabbit hole“ in mind (and saving screen estate). Mind the clickable rabbit :) Without much further talk: USK@NliSiGWDer3nZWTj9TTEy~ApJODNWOZKi6nD1BBl3NQ,2oH7tH8KFGFLrKbeopW-2ctG53CdjrgmlKUXueIHmLk,AQACAAE/rabbit- hole/16/ USK@NliSiGWDer3nZWTj9TTEy~ApJODNWOZKi6nD1BBl3NQ,2oH7tH8KFGFLrKbeopW-2ctG53CdjrgmlKUXueIHmLk,AQACAAE/rabbit- hole/16/index_dark.html Or for those who aren’t paranoid about my server-logs :) Bright version: http://draketo.de/proj/freenet-rabbit-hole/ Dark version: http://draketo.de/proj/freenet-rabbit-hole/index_dark.html Based on grayandblue (with some borrowed CSS). The full code is available on BitBucket: https://bitbucket.org/ArneBab/freenet-rabbit-hole ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Mockup for a freenet theme: rabbit hole
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I had some issues with the menu. Sometimes when you hover over the menu and submenu opens it is tricky to move the mouse in the way that doesn't close the submenu. - Volodya P.S. While i know that i'll be shouted down, i still disagree with having no activelinks. On 02/08/2011 11:01 AM, Daniel Kanaan wrote: Nice clean theme. Hi, I created a mockup for a freenet theme. My main goal was getting the structure out of the way of the content, so I went for a horizontal menu with horizontal submenu (persistent) all done with CSS for performance and cleanlyness :) The rest is done with the theme „into the rabbit hole“ in mind (and saving screen estate). Mind the clickable rabbit :) Without much further talk: USK@NliSiGWDer3nZWTj9TTEy~ApJODNWOZKi6nD1BBl3NQ,2oH7tH8KFGFLrKbeopW-2ctG53CdjrgmlKUXueIHmLk,AQACAAE/rabbit- hole/16/ USK@NliSiGWDer3nZWTj9TTEy~ApJODNWOZKi6nD1BBl3NQ,2oH7tH8KFGFLrKbeopW-2ctG53CdjrgmlKUXueIHmLk,AQACAAE/rabbit- hole/16/index_dark.html Or for those who aren’t paranoid about my server-logs :) Bright version: http://draketo.de/proj/freenet-rabbit-hole/ Dark version: http://draketo.de/proj/freenet-rabbit-hole/index_dark.html Based on grayandblue (with some borrowed CSS). The full code is available on BitBucket: https://bitbucket.org/ArneBab/freenet-rabbit-hole ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl - -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast None of us are free until all of us are free.~ Mihail Bakunin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNURyXAAoJENW9VI+wmYasSMwH/2HLxEO40Mse1/usaBarBgX3 QGoWaxeSuRY3PWsM8ZFWtX0giKqGq/V/tzbnvWgBUW7n88LBH6zqv1g+7GoUXTqr ubIkztmPBVbR2DuFHXswH54tbVvD/Jf8Fi0n8Tc5tYoTksqof/IrkCFZR2Y2YFE6 8Sx7giyqS1usWuFKX2aU/flQaIL5PvBpxTrBflBkMwWka6V3MPP0RSzi90ToiFMG Dqn+U8m/SwaRYa6susNph4vD8wIhdBL9HopKoDorbDj7eOu2Jt4oWzzeAD1c+87n heOTdfrvSiC9xPYhJ3JY1GCXI+4y795uJ45C0EAR3+s0/hYFvr2shFYylA79aSw= =KTN0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Mockup for a freenet theme: rabbit hole
On Tuesday 08 February 2011 09:01:28 Daniel Kanaan wrote: Nice clean theme. Thanks! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Mockup for a freenet theme: rabbit hole
On Tuesday 08 February 2011 13:36:14 Volodya wrote: I had some issues with the menu. Sometimes when you hover over the menu and submenu opens it is tricky to move the mouse in the way that doesn't close the submenu. Is it better now? I increased the active area. - Volodya P.S. While i know that i'll be shouted down, i still disagree with having no activelinks. I like activelinks in my bookmarks :) I just did not include them in the mockup, because I would have had to add them by hand :) Best wishes, Arne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Mockup for a freenet theme: rabbit hole
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide arne_...@web.dewrote: I created a mockup for a freenet theme. My main goal was getting the structure out of the way of the content, so I went for a horizontal menu with horizontal submenu (persistent) all done with CSS for performance and cleanlyness :) I like it, however I don't think users will be willing to read an essay of text on the front page. Typically they'll want to search for something (like Google), explore forums, etc. People have short attention spans, nobody wants to read the user manual before they try out the new toy :-) Ian. -- Ian Clarke Personal blog: http://blog.locut.us/ ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Mockup for a freenet theme: rabbit hole
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/09/2011 05:08 AM, Ian Clarke wrote: On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide arne_...@web.de mailto:arne_...@web.de wrote: I created a mockup for a freenet theme. My main goal was getting the structure out of the way of the content, so I went for a horizontal menu with horizontal submenu (persistent) all done with CSS for performance and cleanlyness :) I like it, however I don't think users will be willing to read an essay of text on the front page. Typically they'll want to search for something (like Google), explore forums, etc. People have short attention spans, nobody wants to read the user manual before they try out the new toy :-) Ian. Maybe you can move Indexes slightly higher. Maybe by collapsing 'During the next few yours' with the 'more' or 'dismiss' link. I'd also move the 'Note' above the 'During the next few hours'. Once people see indexes, they already can start playing with Freenet after all. Activelinks can also help them to know that they are able to fetch them successfully (maybe that could be the popup on each activelink If you see an image, you can load the freesite). - Volodya - -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast None of us are free until all of us are free.~ Mihail Bakunin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNUiaGAAoJENW9VI+wmYasVJQH/1R+aUQJ32aFQrwTLKa+v8dW mdlOrDkZE/03XHTmCdlaz9szvujEu/Rqd29PmsdKb3ZpeKppJcklXPG3lt8+fCr/ Qm0SwRjw/7t/S2tLzeZ/Hytg/jBgdxMJ9tF54BkCMPjo4KwB9eap+D1ibgamf3Q+ mi047eX6dPLHVwtd7NfHBaLt2YM9ZswMfExzooajLQvlrl0+BFhRxJmxUGlHqUsk EskbCR/SDAsmJIFPVUG9qvxeIw4qMmn0aDQ95JRI+/U1+wOKkZOSdI4gTJMvnOkt XCWsVTbu/ZRniYWTxsalH+uUVE5JXolYjxMr5pImo8N4mFJ23Zu0xvMY4hU/jBQ= =Q5s5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
