Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Road map fall 2011

[Arthur Heywood]

Hi Lars
This roadmap looks like it will produce some good outputs  however there
are two things I do NOT see on the roadmap 

   1. Human Resource module integration ... this is backlogged since our
   meeting in Oslo more than a year ago !! ... can the UDSM team not work on
   this using this launchpad tracking system??
   2. the Data analyser ... this is one of the most useful toools I have
   seen on DHIS for a long time and it would be great if some of the indian
   team can start unhacking  it

...
Cheers
Arthur
2011/7/6 Lars Helge Øverland larshe...@gmail.com


 Hi all,

 the road map for the fall of 2011 is ready. You can find it here:

 http://dhis2.org/roadmap


 There has been many comments and wishes and we have tried to make as many
 people happy as possible, at the same time trying to be innovative and take
 advantage of the emerging possibilities for web development. The road map
 shows the major functionality blueprints, there will of course be additional
 minor functions for each release.

 Having a road map is good but we reserve the right to make changes - we
 know that new requirements appear as DHIS 2 is being implemented in new
 countries which might justify re-prioritization. The releases have a
 two-month cycle and will continue to be time-boxed, meaning that we push
 back functionality if it is not ready by the time of release.




 regards, Lars




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Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] DHIS version 2.13 is released

[Arthur Heywood]

LUCKY 13 . well done guys!!
Looking forward to seeing all the improvements
Arthur

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 Hi all,

 DHIS 2 version 2.13 is out. This release brings some great new features
 and a much improved Web API.

 *(Demo login is admin/district)*


 - *Dashboard*: We have a completely new dashboard which brings lots of
 new features. It is focused around search - you can use the search area at
 the top to look for and include maps, charts, pivot tables, users, reports
 by clicking on Add in the search result. You can now have any number of
 personal dashboards - for instance can create one for each subject you find
 interesting and easily switch between them. You can put any number of items
 on each dashboard and drag-and-drop to arrange them in your preferred
 order. Maps and pivot tables can now be embedded directly (previously they
 appeared as links). Dashboards can be shared with other users or group of
 users, just like you do with charts and pivot tables.

 Check it out 
 herehttp://apps.dhis2.org/demo/dhis-web-dashboard-integration/index.action
 .


 - *Touch-device optimized data visualizer* 
 Apphttp://www.dhis2.org/doc/snapshot/en/user/html/ch26.html:
 We have a new App which lets you do advanced analysis and visualize your
 data as a wide range of charts, including bar, column, line, pie, area. It
 works similar to current data visualizer module, only optimized for
 smartphones and tablets. You can load any predefined chart and create new
 charts which later can be saved as favorites. The app is web-based and
 therefore completely integrated with the charts you create in the current
 visualizer module on the web. It is pretty cool - try it out on your
 smartphone or tablet by pointing it to 
 http://apps.dhis2.org/demohttp://apps.dhis2.org/demo/dhis-web-dashboard-integration/index.action
  and
 select smartphone as the log in option, or directly on the web.

 - Apps are now *completely integrated in the menu system*, both in
 services menu and in the system overview 
 pagehttp://apps.dhis2.org/demo/dhis-web-commons-about/modules.action,
 and are now first-class components in DHIS 2. On the demo you can check it
 out by looking for Mobile visualizer. Apps are light-weight web
 applications which can be uploaded through the user interface in the App
 management module under maintenance. Read more about the app 
 concepthttps://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Apps/Quickstart/Build/Intro_to_open_web_appsand
 apps http://www.dhis2.org/doc/snapshot/en/user/html/ch26.html in DHIS
 2.

 The mobile visualizer app can be downloaded from http://appstore.dhis2.org


 - The analysis tools - GIS, visualizer (charts) and pivot table - now
 feature more *flexible selection of organisation units* through three
 modes. Select the mode by clicking the gear icon under organisation
 units. You can select organisation units by *levels*, for instance you
 easily select all facilities in a province by first selecting the province
 from the tree, then the facility level in the level drop-down. You can
 select organisation units by *groups*, for instance you can select a
 province and then all public facilities inside it. You can also select
 multiple organisation units as boundaries in GIS. This has been
 harmonized and works similarly across all modules.

 Screenshot select by 
 levelhttp://www.dhis2.org/download/misc/ou-level-selection.png |
 select by grouphttp://www.dhis2.org/download/misc/ou-group-selection.png


 - *Data surveillance and alerts*: We now have a new component for data
 monitoring / surveillance and user alerts. It lets you monitor data, look
 for outbreaks and send alerts to users for notifiable conditions like
 measles, cholera and yellow fever outbreaks. The solution is an extension
 of validation rules - you can set rule type to surveillance (as opposed
 to validation). With surveillance rules, you can compare current data on
 the left side with previous data on the right side. You can define a
 sequential sample count 

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Arthur Heywood]

Calle
In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
districts ...

Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and
then feed back into the development process interesting to know how far
you have progressed?

Cheers
a

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On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg  wrote:

> Laura,
>
> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
> Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell
> you more about that one).
>
> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for
> internship or Community Service posts per annum).
>
> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated with
> DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
> including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact
> details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration
> will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
> registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular
> since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2
> on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
> notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.
>
> Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track
> the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to
> track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a
> bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where
> they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to
> do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
> could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
> etc), and how to contact them.
>
> Regards
> Calle
>
> On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas  wrote:
>
>> I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to
>> help.
>>
>> On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" > u> wrote:
>>
>>> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a
>>> DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for
>>> now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need
>>> to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate
>>> database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.
>>>
>>> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
>>> HRHIS in Tanzania developed by the
>>> HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
>>> iHRIS  developed by global Capacity Project.​
>>>
>>> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these
>>> packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
>>>
>>> *Laura E. Lincks*
>>> Database Manager/Developer
>>> ICAP - Columbia University
>>> Mailman School of Public Health
>>> 60 Haven Ave, Floor B1
>>> New York, NY 10032
>>> Tel: 212 304 7132
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Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Arthur Heywood]

Lungo
Good to hear from you ... long time no see
Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and make
integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc

Regards
Arthur

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On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo <jlu...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Arthur,
>
> I would recommend iHRIS.
>
> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
> countries and it is being supported by an active community working closely
> with DHIS2 developers.
>
> Lungo
>
>
> --
> *From:* Calle Hedberg <calle.hedb...@gmail.com>
> *To:* Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* dhis2-users <dhis2-us...@lists.launchpad.net>; dhis2-devs <
> dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net>; gerald thomas <gerald17...@gmail.com>;
> Seleman Ally <seleman_a...@yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource
> System to integrate with DHIS
>
> Arthur,
>
> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
> is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get
> back to you.
>
> Regards
> Calle
>
> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Calle
> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
> districts ...
>
> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and
> then feed back into the development process interesting to know how far
> you have progressed?
>
> Cheers
> a
>
> *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress*** *(Frank
> Zappa)*
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Laura,
>
> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
> Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell
> you more about that one).
>
> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for
> internship or Community Service posts per annum).
>
> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated with
> DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
> including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact
> details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration
> will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
> registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular
> since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2
> on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
> notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.
>
> Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track
> the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to
> track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a
> bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where
> they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to
> do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
> could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
> etc), and how to contact them.
>
> Regards
> Calle
>
> On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas <gerald17...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to
> help.
>
> On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" <laura.lin...@icap.columbia.ed
> u <laura.lin...@icap.columbia.edu>> wrote:
>
> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS
> aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now
> it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be
> associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An
> Open Source HRIS is preferable.
>
> In searching 

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Arthur Heywood]

Carl
We do not need detailed data  what was described as "core HRHIS" is
more than good enough  aggregate data with no details so that we can do
workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported
data
I would really like to see this in practice somewhere  any ideas where
this integration is actually working already?

Regards
Arthur

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Zappa)*
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On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner <litlf...@ibiblio.org> wrote:

> Hey Arthur,
> Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen on
> doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as
> iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker
> information that it would be good to model your data elements after.
>
> Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need
> information on the HWs themselves?
> Cheers,
> -carl
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Arthur,
>
> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus
> is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get
> back to you.
>
> Regards
> Calle
>
> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Calle
>> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human
>> Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi
>> districts ...
>>
>> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to
>> our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and
>> then feed back into the development process interesting to know how far
>> you have progressed?
>>
>> Cheers
>> a
>>
>> *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress***
>> *(Frank Zappa)*
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedb...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Laura,
>>>
>>> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in
>>> Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell
>>> you more about that one).
>>>
>>> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing
>>> Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for
>>> internship or Community Service posts per annum).
>>>
>>> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated
>>> with DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources
>>> including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact
>>> details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are
>>> processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration
>>> will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user
>>> registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular
>>> since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2
>>> on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease
>>> notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.
>>>
>>> Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track
>>> the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to
>>> track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a
>>> bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where
>>> they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to
>>> do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it
>>> could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases
>>> etc), and how to contact them.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Calle
>>>
>>> On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas <gerald17...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing
>>>> to help.
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" <
>>>> laura.lin...@icap.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We are looking for a simple Human

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Arthur Heywood]

Carl
this is a good start  we will obviously only need a fraction of these
indicators, but the ones we use should conform to the standards and formats
outlined here

Cheers
A

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On 14 October 2016 at 21:28, Carl Leitner <litlf...@ibiblio.org> wrote:

> This may be of interest as you consider HRH indicators:
> http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/HRH_Indicator_Compendium.pdf
> Cheers,
> -carl
>
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:38 AM, Raphael Pundo <rpu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Arthur,
>
> Below are some of responses:
>
>
>- do you have a set of indicators using HR data within the DHIS2 ?
>
> Yes we a set of HR Indicators in the DHIS that are being tracked.
> Similarly, there are HR/Service delivery indicators
>
>- are you able to do bottleneck analysis for UNICEF?
>
> So far, there had NOT been any request from UNICEF on bottleneck analysis
>
>- If yes, where do you source the commodity data ?
>
> Regards,
> Raphael
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Raphael
>> This is a good best practice that you are using a shared facility list
>> and then have the two softwares talking to each other ..
>> My next question is about what you (and other countries) are DOING with
>> the combined HR and DHIS data once you have got the technology talking?...
>>
>>- do you have a set of indicators using HR data within the DHIS2 ?
>>- are you able to do bottleneck analysis for UNICEF?
>>- If yes, where do you source the commodity data ?
>>
>> Anyone with some implementation cases using HR data ??
>>
>>- workload... SA
>>- ???
>>
>> Regards
>> Arthur
>> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Raphael Pundo <rpu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>> In case on is interested, Kenya has integrated the iHRIS (Aggregate
>>> Data) with DHIS2 using  the Master Facility List Code as the Primary Key. I
>>> can provide more info
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Raphael
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Prosper
>>>> good to know .
>>>> BUT
>>>> On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of
>>>> data . UNICEF is  proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data ...
>>>> yet there is no  automatically  genersted quality / usable HR data in one
>>>> place ..
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated
>>>> data directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis . I hope
>>>> this January workshop will provide this opportunity
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> A
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT <ptb3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Arthur,
>>>>>
>>>>> For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda
>>>>> with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to
>>>>> integrate iHRS data yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood <
>>>>> arthurheyw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Carl
>>>>>> We do not need detailed data  what was described as "core HRHIS"
>>>>>> is more than good enough  aggregate data with no details so that we 
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> do workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using 
>>>>>> imported
>>>>>> data
>>>>>> I would really like to see this in practice somewhere  any ideas
>>>>>> where this integration is actually working already?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Arthur
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress***
>>>>>> *(Frank Zappa)*
>>>>>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>>>>>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Arthur Heywood]

Carl
again a good list of HR categories and good for a HR database to follow
As far as I know, the main emphasis of the Bottleneck analysis is on
professional staff  so these will be the main ones we will need to
import into DHIS2

Regards
Arthur

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Zappa)*
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On 14 October 2016 at 21:33, Carl Leitner <litlf...@ibiblio.org> wrote:

> I think Wnajala is referring to the following:
>   http://www.who.int/hrh/statistics/Health_workers_classification.pdf
> it is a subset of the ISCO-08 codes.
>
> There is some more discussion on this here:
>http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/establishing-
> using-data-standards-health-workforce-information-systems.pdf
>
>
> Note that these classifications are automatically in iHRIS and the MOH can
> map their job/cadre classifications to these quite easily.
>
> Cheers,
> -carl
>
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 2:27 AM, Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Wanjala 
> VERY good start for a standard list
> Can you share it with us please
> Regards
> Arthur
>
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, wanjala pepela <wanjal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> iHRIS always have detailed information and personalized information that
>> are confidential but what is required for exchange is aggregated
>> information; # are ideal, May be countries need to share  common cadres of
>> staff available or my recommendation is to use the WHO- recommended 16 main
>> cadres to collect which will be useful for analysis;
>>
>> PEPELA WANJALA
>> *MINISTRY OF HEALTH HEADQUARTERS*
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>> *From:* Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* Prosper BT <ptb3...@gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* dhis2-users <dhis2-us...@lists.launchpad.net>; Calle Hedberg <
>> calle.hedb...@gmail.com>; dhis2-devs <dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:49 AM
>> *Subject:* [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate
>> with DHIS
>>
>> Prosper
>> good to know .
>> BUT
>> On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of
>> data . UNICEF is  proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data ...
>> yet there is no  automatically  genersted quality / usable HR data in one
>> place ..
>>
>> Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data
>> directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis . I hope this
>> January workshop will provide this opportunity
>>
>> Cheers
>> A
>>
>> On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT <ptb3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Arthur,
>>
>> For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda
>> with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to
>> integrate iHRS data yet.
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Carl
>> We do not need detailed data  what was described as "core HRHIS" is
>> more than good enough  aggregate data with no details so that we can do
>> workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported
>> data
>> I would really like to see this in practice somewhere  any ideas
>> where this integration is actually working already?
>>
>> Regards
>> Arthur
>>
>> *Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress***
>> *(Frank Zappa)*
>> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
>> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner <litlf...@ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Arthur,
>> Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen on
>> doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as
>> iHRIS) then there are some existing sta

Re: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with DHIS

[Arthur Heywood]

 the way to go. Making both, the DHIS2 and iHRIS
> referencing an external database of the facility makes the integration
> permanent. Both, DHIS2 and iHRIS can easily be configured to learn
> facility
> attributes from external database easier.
>
> See Gerald's case study from Sierra Leone. It is our shining case study.
>
> One thing you need to take note is, even though right now you are looking
> for a minimum functions for a HR system, the moment you implement demands
> will increase. This is where iHRIS is the best option.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lungo
>
>
> 
> From: Bob Jolliffe <bobjolli...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bobjolli...@gmail.com');>>
> To: Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','arthurheyw...@gmail.com');>>
> Cc: Juma Lungo <jlu...@yahoo.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jlu...@yahoo.com');>>; dhis2-users
> <dhis2-us...@lists.launchpad.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dhis2-us...@lists.launchpad.net');>>; "
> calle.hedb...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','calle.hedb...@gmail.com');>"
> <calle.hedb...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','calle.hedb...@gmail.com');>>; dhis2-devs <
> dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net');>>
> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 7:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-users] [Dhis2-devs] Looking for Human Resource System
> to
> integrate with DHIS
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> Carl will probably be able to point you to various cases where this
> has been done with dhis2 and ihris.  I am familiar with examples from
> Zanzibar, Kenya and Rwanda which sort of worked but none of which
> could fairly be described as successful in the sense of sustained use
> as far as I know.
>
> I think the main tricky bit to get right is the harmonization of
> health facilities in the two systems not just as one off, but with
> processes to keep them harmonized.  You might only have 20 indicators
> of interest but you have 1000s of facilities.  As soon as the orgunits
> start diverging the interoperability starts falling apart.  I think
> there was also some interesting work done in Bihar on this problem.
>
> One conventionasl "wisdom" that has done the rounds over the past few
> years is that a separate facility registry is the solution to this.  I
> am less sure.  In practice you now find that whereas before the
> problem was harmonizing between 2 systems, now it becomes more complex
> because you have 3 :-)  Add more with LMIS etc ..
>
> So 2 alternative approaches emerge:
> 1. retreat to dhis2 and try and do everything there - sometimes this
> sort of works for many things (which is better than most), but it has
> obvious limits and I don't believe can serve as the basis of long term
> strategy to solve all problems
> 2.  insist that any system that sends data to dhis2 treats dhis2 as
> the authoritative source of facility registry data.  If only they
> would :-)  Unfortunately dhis2 view of the
> physical/geographic/administrative world of the health system can
> diverge sometimes significantly from that of an HRIS system - think of
> MOH employees at offices not involved in health service delivery for
> example.  So there are local arrangements and understandings to be
> made, but in general I think this path holds the most potential,
>
> In practice I think we have to concede the problems have been unsolved
> for now.  Unless someone can point me otherwise.  The challenge seems
> on the surface to be technically fairly trivial,  But beneath lurk
> demons.
>
> Cheers
> Bob
>
> On 8 October 2016 at 07:13, Arthur Heywood <arthurheyw...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','arthurheyw...@gmail.com');>>
> wrote:
>
> Lungo
> Good to hear from you ... long time no see
> Thanks for this  can you tell me where we have a SUCCESSFUL
> implementation where one can actually get IHRIS data through DHIS and
> make
> integrated indicators, use IHRIS indicators for Bottleneck analysis etc
>
> Regards
> Arthur
>
> **Without deviation from the norm, there can be no progress* *(Frank
> Zappa)
> *Skype* arthur_heywood_za
> Tanzania* +255-773669393 OR +255 673150252
>
>
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> On 5 October 2016 at 06:54, Juma Lungo <jlu...@yahoo.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jlu...@yahoo.com');>> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Arthur,
>
> I would recommend iHRIS.
>
> It has many features, integrates nicely with DHIS2, implemented in many
> countries and it is being supported by an active community working
> close