RE: [DDN] Re: Mahatma Gandhi in an Italian Communications Company ad

2005-02-09 Thread Frances Roehm
of work to do. Thank you, and best regards, Fran Frances E. Roehm SkokieNet Librarian From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Taran Rampersad Sent: Tue 2/8/2005 2:47 PM To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group Subject: Re: [DDN] Re: Mahatma Gandhi

Re: [DDN] Re: Mahatma Gandhi in an Italian Communications Company ad

2005-02-09 Thread Bob Hirshon
Let me jump in on Oliver's behalf, because I share some of his concerns. Car companies co-opt rock and roll songs to sell luxury cars, including songs by deceased artists with anarchist tendencies. The idea is to cloak the companies with an edgy image that will sell cars. Demagogues drape

Re: [DDN] Re: Mahatma Gandhi in an Italian Communications Company ad

2005-02-09 Thread Steve Eskow
, February 08, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [DDN] Re: Mahatma Gandhi in an Italian Communications Company ad Frances Roehm wrote: Dear Colleagues, We've heard quite a bit about our Gandhi. Agree or disagree, this is a powerful message. Can we talk about ways of bringing our people along, find areas we

Re: [DDN] Re: Mahatma Gandhi in an Italian Communications Company ad

2005-02-08 Thread John Hibbs
At 3:39 PM + 2/8/05, Oliver Moran wrote: Taran, I was born in the rural area, I work in the ghetto, this advertisement is irrelevant to both and a distraction from the real needs of those places and the real people who live their real lives there. It is a fiction, its a presentation

Re: [DDN] Re: Mahatma Gandhi in an Italian Communications Company ad

2005-02-08 Thread Taran Rampersad
Oliver Moran wrote: Taran Rampersad wrote: My point, Taran, is that images such as these do not recognise that the world is rooted so deeply in traditions of geopolitical economics. It is unrealistic because it portrays ICT as cutting through those traditions. Forgive me, but I believe a

Re: [DDN] Re: Mahatma Gandhi in an Italian Communications Company ad

2005-02-04 Thread Taran Rampersad
Oliver Moran wrote: Taran and Ed, My issue is not that the video is commerical or fanciful. Rather, in the context of the 'digital divide', my point is that videos like this represent an unrealistic vision of the value of ICT for social change. Visions are essential to the future and

Re: [DDN] Re: Mahatma Gandhi in an Italian Communications Company ad

2005-02-03 Thread BBracey
There are a lot of messages sent to the youth through media. This was an ad. What to me was so interesting about this group is that most of us, don't know how to spell his name, don't reall know his work. We have lots of ways of reacting to his philosophy, and how he changed history. Did we

Re: [DDN] Re: Mahatma Gandhi in an Italian Communications Company ad

2005-02-02 Thread Oliver Moran
Oh, my goodness! If this is why anyone believes that Gandhi's struggle was met with resistance and brutality by colonialism, you're sadly missing the point of human politics and the nature of society, communication and history. Hats off the the guys at Telecom Italia for pulling our heart strings

Re: [DDN] Re: Mahatma Gandhi in an Italian Communications Company ad

2005-02-02 Thread Bob Hirshon
One could also imagine the same exact ad, but with the image of someone not so nice as Ghandi's-- a slight change that would turn the spot from uplifting to chilling. Unfortunately, the ability to spread compelling messages quickly all over the world has two sides. I still like the ad, though.

Re: [DDN] Re: Mahatma Gandhi in an Italian Communications Company ad

2005-02-02 Thread Taran Rampersad
Oliver Moran wrote: Oh, my goodness! If this is why anyone believes that Gandhi's struggle was met with resistance and brutality by colonialism, you're sadly missing the point of human politics and the nature of society, communication and history. *confused look* - huh? Where did this come

Re: [DDN] Re: Mahatma Gandhi in an Italian Communications Company ad

2005-02-02 Thread BBracey
In a message dated 2/2/05 4:06:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Unfortunately, the ability to spread compelling messages quickly all over the world has two sides. I guess what I thought is how few people probably know who the real Mahatma Gandhi was, and about him except in vignettes. I

Re: [DDN] Re: Mahatma Gandhi in an Italian Communications Company ad

2005-02-02 Thread Taran Rampersad
Lisa Smith wrote: I had similar misgivings about this piece. It does seem a bit to simple, which is probably why it's so compelling. It is. And it is. I also feel it turns Gandhi into a commodity to be used by this telecom company, Telecom Italia. I don't think they made it to promote