Re: [DDN]The Personal vs the Social Computer Was: Updateonthe Simputer

2005-06-04 Thread Larry Press
Arun wrote: Thanks Larry! CODATA and ICSU are keen to promote open access to scientific data and grid computing (for virtual collboration) - all of which will help developing country scientists in ways we cannot foresee now! Thereby benefiting those of us in industrialized nations in ways

RE: [DDN]The Personal vs the Social Computer Was: Updateonthe Simputer

2005-06-02 Thread Dr. Steve Eskow
Arun's case for the public computer thesis, below, is powerful and compelling. That we can do much to bridge the digital divide without public computing is a fiction that needs to be exposed and contested. Steve Eskow [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [DDN]The Personal vs the Social Computer Was: Updateonthe Simputer

2005-06-02 Thread Dr. Steve Eskow
Taran Rampersad wants to believe, it would seem, that 20 people owning 20 motorcycles amounts to the same thing as a bus. (I'm guessing here that that's what the missing message argues.) And he wants to inject the important notion of the network into the issue: In a network, public computing is

RE: [DDN]The Personal vs the Social Computer Was: Updateonthe Simputer

2005-06-02 Thread J Cravens
Beware the uniquely Liberal concept of ownership. Clarification, for those in/from the US who are wondering about this correlation between liberal and the concept of ownership (as I was when I first moved to Europe -- so I'm assuming there might be at least a few people puzzled by this...

Re: [DDN]The Personal vs the Social Computer Was: Updateonthe Simputer

2005-06-02 Thread Subbiah Arunachalam
Thanks Larry! CODATA and ICSU are keen to promote open access to scientific data and grid computing (for virtual collboration) - all of which will help developing country scientists in ways we cannot foresee now! Arun [Subbiah Arunachalam] The idea of public commons is now picking up among

RE: [DDN]The Personal vs the Social Computer Was: Updateonthe Simputer

2005-06-02 Thread Joseph Beckmann
Beware the uniquely Liberal concept of ownership. For John Stuart Mill, ownership meant title and control. For many others it merely means taking responsibility, as in owning up to an act or decision. In the first sense, assuredly, many techno-literates do not own computers but use them in common

RE: [DDN]The Personal vs the Social Computer Was: Updateonthe Simputer

2005-06-02 Thread Subbiah Arunachalam
Thanks very much Dr Eskow. Honestly, I did not follow what Mr Errol Hewit wrote in reply to my comments. I will read it again when I have more time at hand. Best wishes. Arun Arun's case for the public computer thesis, below, is powerful and compelling. That we can do much to bridge the

Re: [DDN]The Personal vs the Social Computer Was: Updateonthe Simputer

2005-06-01 Thread Taran Rampersad
Dr. Steve Eskow wrote: Arun's case for the public computer thesis, below, is powerful and compelling. That we can do much to bridge the digital divide without public computing is a fiction that needs to be exposed and contested. Steve Eskow Sorry, Steve, I've read all of this quite

Re: [DDN]The Personal vs the Social Computer Was: Updateonthe Simputer

2005-06-01 Thread Subbiah Arunachalam
Errol Hewitt wrote: As soon as the individual or family in the community sees the benefit of the technology to his/her own circumstance, is when the real economic decision will be taken to learn the skill and own it -- then is when the sacrifice will be made to 'own' it. Sorry, that is not what

Re: [DDN]The Personal vs the Social Computer Was: Updateonthe Simputer

2005-06-01 Thread Subbiah Arunachalam
Friends: The idea of public commons is now picking up among scientists (and scholars) around the world. It was about 15 years ago that Paul Ginsparg, then at Los Alomas National Laboratory, thought of a central archive for physics research papers - both preprints and post prints. Now 'arXiv'

Re: [DDN]The Personal vs the Social Computer Was: Updateonthe Simputer

2005-06-01 Thread Larry Press
The idea of public commons is now picking up among scientists (and scholars) Thanks to Arun for an excellent survey of open scientific publishing. I would only add that open access to scientific data sets and on-line instruments can require significantly higher bandwidth than access to

RE: [DDN]The Personal vs the Social Computer Was: Updateonthe Simputer

2005-05-31 Thread Dr. Steve Eskow
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Subbiah Arunachalam Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 6:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Digital Divide Network discussion group Subject: Re: [DDN]The Personal vs the Social Computer Was: Updateonthe Simputer What