Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge?
Most urban areas are pretty broadly served in this country. It's easy to forget that millions of us live in in areas that aren't urban. Tom Abeles wrote: We traveled in the rural US this summer and we did not take a laptop along. We had very little problem finding free broadband Internet access at most local libraries and many coffee houses that were scattered before us on our journey. WalMart now sells a very low cost computer and also sells dialup services. Community wireless is now a growing phenomenon, both as commercial service, like a utility, and commercially supported free access. Who knows how it will all shake out. But, at least, in the US, the digital divide as far as accessibility may not be the issue, especially now with the number of folks who have given up their fixed phones for cells and the cells are now becoming the vehicle for accessing the internet. I know one community college that is planning a system that lets students register with their mobile devices. thoughts? tom abeles John Hibbs wrote: At 3:25 AM -0500 1/23/05, Stephen Snow wrote: . That is how this current information tool development feels to me: lots of glitter and not much substance. Lots of information, but not much actual communication. What Stephen Snow writes about, quite eloquently, and as others have touched upon, is the essential problem of making those 40' foot vans outside of Walmart a go-er. i.e. if the ordinary Jack and the ordinary Jill can't find a use for learning the skills offered by Van employees, or don't need the downloadable stuff -- and the only ones excited about Van machinery are kids interested in video games or geeks interested in novel gadgets, well then --- -as the WalMart guy said to me --- ...Ya, shurr, John, this is neat stuff (head scratching); but, tell me John, --- what VALUE - either perceptive or real - will Jack or Jill ascribe to it? If the answer to that very perceptive Wallmart question can't be provided in a few cogent sentences backed by real life examples that stand up to hard examination, then maybe we should cool our own jets? Perhaps changing the world might just have to wait one more generation? Or even two? ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
RE: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge?
Thanks for sharing this and there is much I agree with... I've also been thinking about how I was when I was younger and as I was reading about the students who aren't involved - I was thinking about myself at that age and I too was pretty much occupied with my immediate world. I read my daily college paper for news and that was pretty much it. Maybe I was a late bloomer, as were most people I knew, but we didn't really start becoming truly engaged and active until our world had opened up beyond our campus and surrounding community. It wasn't until I started working after college that I started listening to the radio regularly (NPR and Pacifica primarily) and reading news (like the NY Times, Alternet, Wiretap, and international news organizations) via online and the paper. So...it also just may be how things go. If you think back to yourself in high school and college - how engaged were you? Where did you get your information? Would you have sought it out like you do now? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Oliver Moran Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 7:44 PM To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group Subject: Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge? I agree. Although aren't the cable sports and news channels, the touch-down by touch-down mobile updates and knowing where tonights party is just another kind of feed? Just as RSS (and blogs and the internet generally) specialises people's consumption of information, vegging them out á la 'Bowling Alone', then maybe aren't we vegging out on this feed also - the DDN list? What does this mean for the digitally disenfranchised - well isn't it their right to veg out too? Should they not have *their* mind-numbing nonsense? Should *they* be able not participate in the numbing of culture also? Oli - Oliver Moran, Digital Media Centre, Dublin Institute of Technology, Ireland - Original Message - From: Tom Abeles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge? This thread puzzles me from a number of perspectives. First, RSS while a powerful aggregating search tool is still mapping brick space into click space, the same as what we are currently doing with e-learning using the standard Learning Management Systems and their variances. It has, as has been carefully and repeatedly noted, the propensity for overwhelming the individual and, as some have mentioned regarding the developing world, chewing up costly bandwidth. What this list, in its pragmatic, tip-of-the-iceberg, manner shows is that self-organizing networks of human biocomputers probably is a more effective learning/sorting and aggregating vehicle. The corporate world, as Knowledge Management clearly shows, has embraced these self-organizing communities and have developed a variety of web deliverable vehicles for enhancing these. Wiki's offer a peek at the possibilities as do blogs. Second there has been a side thread about the indifference of youth to using these knowledge systems and becoming committed to more than vegging out in front of the telly after classes. Let us dismiss the idea that this is the older generation just upset with the profligate ways of today's young folk. Perhaps one needs to look at the gaming community to see that there is life and hope, particularly if one follows the MMRPG world (Massive Multiplayer Role Playing Games) where networks of participants engage each other at levels far expanded from the action on the screen. And one can not overlook the efforts now with the domain of serious games which are a much wider genre than just those used by the military or tech folk to check out systems. What one might just be seeing is a bifurcation impacted by the arrival of the web and big pipes. What this means for the digitally disenfranchised may not imply just wiring the world and putting a computer in the hands of all. That would be falling into the same trap that concerns me (see above). thoughts? tom abeles ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 21/01/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 21/01/2005 ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com
RE: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge? content management
Libraries have been managing content since they came into being. The best example of a content management system is the card catalog, now the online public access catalog - the call number is the address where the item lives, and the subject headings are the various ways you organize the materials so you can find a book or video looking under numerous headings. I did a quick search of articles and found this one that talks about a system of organizing not just web site content but other internal tools. Don't forget to look into this field before you start developing your own management systems - there may already be something out there! Title: Creating an Internal Content Management System , By: Sennema, Greg, Computers in Libraries, 10417915, Jan2004, Vol. 24, Issue 1 snipIn recent years, many libraries have created dynamic Web sites that are database-driven, that is, maintained and populated with content stored within what can be loosely termed a content management system (CMS). In 2001, Jed Koops, the Hekman Library systems programmer, and I created a CMS called Hobbes (library staff liked the play on the words Calvin and Hobbes). Since then, Hobbes has grown into a hybrid of CMS and intranet to include not only Web site content, but also a variety of internal tools used by librarians to help them complete some of their daily tasks. snipHobbes is a Web-based tool that uses Common Gateway Interface (CGI) scripts written in Perl to store, query, and return results from data stored in a series of related SQL tables. Because it is Web-based, librarians can easily manage data without knowing Perl or SQL and can be authenticated into the system using the college's existing online directory Siobhan Champ-Blackwell, MSLIS Community Outreach Liaison National Network of Libraries of Medicine - MidContinental Region Creighton University Health Sciences Library 2500 California Plaza Omaha, NE 68178 402-280-4156/800-338-7657 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nnlm.gov/mcr/ (NN/LM MCR Web Site) http://medstat.med.utah.edu/blogs/BHIC/ (Web Log) http://www.digitaldivide.net/profile/siobhanchamp-blackwell (Digital Divide Network Profile) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taran Rampersad Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 8:41 PM To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group Subject: Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge? content management Pamela McLean wrote: Another very basic question from Pam Stephen Snow wrote: (snip) (but I have found a use for the web and for a content management system). Content management system? Does that do what it sounds as if it might do? Is it a *system* that would help me to *manage* the *content* (currently stored on my computer in the best way I can figure out - a rather haphazard way which requires a level of *management* that is rather over-stretching my unaided mental faculties)... Is that what it does - manage content? Is it affordable? Is it set-up-able, and usable, by a non-techie who wants straight forward practical help - not a lot of playing around, and steep learning curves, and coaxing things to work? If so - how do I become transformed into a person with a (fully working) content management system? Pam Hi Pam. You know, you might think it's an easy question that you ask - but instead you're asking a very significant question. I'll get to that. Yes, a Content Management System (CMS) manages content, but it's almost always mentioned with reference to a website. And with a website, it does exactly that - it manages content. And they are very easy to install, though the customizability of the system is directly proportional to the personal investment of installing. A lot of people, even with websites, don't know how they want to manage their content. In the context of the personal computer, I would *love* to tell you that this is exactly what it does, and that it's easy to install for such use, and so on. But it's not there yet, and the question you ask is significant because I think (after you asked) that it should be there. What a content management system does is it stores content in a database - the majority of these databases being a MySQL database, which is available at no cost (or, if you want to buy it...). The majority of CMS tools are available at no cost; I'm a big fan of Drupal and am often tinkering with it because I'm that sort of person. What a Content Management System allows you to do is file the same content under different names without having to store it more than once, which is exactly what I need on my machine! LOL. I think quite a few people could use such a system. Now you have me wondering how to create such a system. I'll take that to the FLOS community. ;-) -- Taran Rampersad [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxgazette.com http://www.a42.com http://www.worldchanging.com http://www.knowprose.com http://www.easylum.net Criticize by creating. - Michelangelo
Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge?
I am enjoying this thread...quick thoughts, also take into account how the internet and services provide for the interpersonal sharing and viral sharing of content on the internet. For example, someone who is totally tuned into sports will still have a chat client or two running, and this leaves a channel open for them to encounter new feeds of content that people in their social network may send. Take for example a simple forwarded email for some petition protecting or rejecting some behavior, or a forward with a simple link for an organization raising funds for Tsunnami Relief. It doesnt matter so much if people are tuned into these things or not...it is the ability to spread the word...you may have a better chance to reach people to get them to take a specific action, and maybe this specific action will get them to add a channel, spread the channel, or look for more channels to share with their network. I dont think it is so important that everyone go and download a news aggregator to get the most out of RSS, but use RSS in existing mediums like chat clients such as Messenger or Yahoo Chat, or build a new and better client that will let people get the most socially out of RSS, like letting them publish their feeds lists for friends, like the idea of Del.icio.us and social bookmarks. Services need to be improved and streamlined. Adding an RSS channel to a news aggregator seems like a very raw and initial form of the use of RSS, and a dead end. But using RSS in a more social manner to let people tap into their social networks and networks outside their immedaite surroundings could really help news spread, like you can do w- a web based aggregator like bloglines to publish your personal feeds or feeds related to a specific conference or event. Extending the ability to use a tool like messenger to let people easily cast various types of data to their social networks, and also letting them offer their lists of whatever type of information, like a personal classifieds list, will let people take advantage of RSS without the need to know what it is...like people use the internet and have no idea what http is or what html is. It is up to service providers to make RSS more useful and usable in the way that people use or will learn to use the internet, and using RSS in the most socially contagious (spreadable and sharable) manner may be consistent with the most useful and used tools like email and chat. I wrote some more about chat use and extending chat clients here: http://www.developmentseed.org/blog/?q=node/139 and here http://www.developmentseed.org/blog/?q=node/91 Best, Ian On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:21:57 -0500, Taran Rampersad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Historically, the older readers are the more likely they are to read a newspaper. Certainly, this won't extend extensively to online journals, but online news readers undoubtedly will be older. And it's quite true that college-age students read little news, online or off. Well, that history is based on a medium of paper. We won't really know how things change for another 25 years... which is driving publishers of content absolutely bonkers. -- Taran Rampersad [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxgazette.com http://www.a42.com http://www.worldchanging.com http://www.knowprose.com http://www.easylum.net Criticize by creating. Michelangelo ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. -- Ian Ward Dy mn gen mn. ~Haitian Proverb ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge?
Since using computers is normal activity for today's youth, they are accustomed to using computers. Therefore, when I engage my classes in computer-aided discussion, younger students accomplish it much more quickly. Oh, that's not to say older students can't do it or don't like it; I've just learned to keep an eye on them for the first few weeks of class. Chatting on computers is new to older students -- older meaning anyone out of their teenaged years. Last year, a middle-aged lady dropped by composition class because she wanted to take a computer science class before she tried online discussion. I assured her I could teach all she needed to know about computers to succeed in my class in 15 minutes, but she didn't believe me. Once they get the hang of it, the older students are just as active in the online discussion as the recent high school graduates. In fact, some of my older students have been better at online discussion because they're returning to school in mid-career and have seen how much computer-aided communication is needed to today's professional world. Since computer gaming has acclimatized students to using computers, it has -- ironically -- prepared them for studying in today's academic culture, to navigate the digital divide. Jim Flick ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge?
This thread puzzles me from a number of perspectives. First, RSS while a powerful aggregating search tool is still mapping brick space into click space, the same as what we are currently doing with e-learning using the standard Learning Management Systems and their variances. It has, as has been carefully and repeatedly noted, the propensity for overwhelming the individual and, as some have mentioned regarding the developing world, chewing up costly bandwidth. What this list, in its pragmatic, tip-of-the-iceberg, manner shows is that self-organizing networks of human biocomputers probably is a more effective learning/sorting and aggregating vehicle. The corporate world, as Knowledge Management clearly shows, has embraced these self-organizing communities and have developed a variety of web deliverable vehicles for enhancing these. Wiki's offer a peek at the possibilities as do blogs. Second there has been a side thread about the indifference of youth to using these knowledge systems and becoming committed to more than vegging out in front of the telly after classes. Let us dismiss the idea that this is the older generation just upset with the profligate ways of today's young folk. Perhaps one needs to look at the gaming community to see that there is life and hope, particularly if one follows the MMRPG world (Massive Multiplayer Role Playing Games) where networks of participants engage each other at levels far expanded from the action on the screen. And one can not overlook the efforts now with the domain of serious games which are a much wider genre than just those used by the military or tech folk to check out systems. What one might just be seeing is a bifurcation impacted by the arrival of the web and big pipes. What this means for the digitally disenfranchised may not imply just wiring the world and putting a computer in the hands of all. That would be falling into the same trap that concerns me (see above). thoughts? tom abeles ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge?
At 3:25 AM -0500 1/23/05, Stephen Snow wrote: . That is how this current information tool development feels to me: lots of glitter and not much substance. Lots of information, but not much actual communication. What Stephen Snow writes about, quite eloquently, and as others have touched upon, is the essential problem of making those 40' foot vans outside of Walmart a go-er. i.e. if the ordinary Jack and the ordinary Jill can't find a use for learning the skills offered by Van employees, or don't need the downloadable stuff -- and the only ones excited about Van machinery are kids interested in video games or geeks interested in novel gadgets, well then --- -as the WalMart guy said to me --- ...Ya, shurr, John, this is neat stuff (head scratching); but, tell me John, --- what VALUE - either perceptive or real - will Jack or Jill ascribe to it? If the answer to that very perceptive Wallmart question can't be provided in a few cogent sentences backed by real life examples that stand up to hard examination, then maybe we should cool our own jets? Perhaps changing the world might just have to wait one more generation? Or even two? ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge?
Historically, the older readers are the more likely they are to read a newspaper. Certainly, this won't extend extensively to online journals, but online news readers undoubtedly will be older. And it's quite true that college-age students read little news, online or off. Jim Flick ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
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In a message dated 1/23/05 8:18:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Parents want their children to learn skills that will help them move ahead and achieve (certainly a sliding scale definition) while building an understanding of the world we live in so they can safely navigate the uncharted waters. Students usually have an innate curiousity that both parents and educators pray they can help them to tap into. They will learn SOMETHING...the question is WHAT? At the Lucas Foundation, www.glef.org, and in the NIIAC work, we tried to involve the stakeholders community, faculty, families and students so they can be a part of the change, so they can be involved in understanding the need for what will be the new voices in education. Sadly, a Nation of Opportunity never got read...http://www.benton.org/publibrary/kickstart/nation.home.html because of funding difficulties with Gingrich . and there is another report that never saw the light of day because the press never picked it up. Unlocking the Future http://www.house.gov/science_democrats/archive/dvscipol.htm http://www.house.gov/science/science_policy_report.htm There is a fight to give science from the NSF to the Dept of Education. Say what? Well it may have already been done. But if no one is teaching science, real science, there will be another generation of students whose parents can't influence the school boards who will be reading science as people did before Sputnik. It is too back that we can't remember the lessons of the past to look into the future. As Hibbs said, we do have lots of technology that lots of kids use fluently if it serves their purpose, but to have kids do hard science, http://www.hardscience.info/ it has to be taught. Looking at Shrek does not let people know that it comes from computational science. But there are new technologies such as iMovies and other projects that get kids thinking not just about the boxes and the games, but using content on line, or in projects that tell their own stories. Bonnie Bracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge?
I think we're missing two critical elements... See below From: John Hibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ snip ] I share Steve Eskow's worries about a society not underpinned with people who have good reading and writing skills; one that is already chilly to the merits of civic responsibility a. reading and writing are skills that are enhanced thru practice. at the moment, there is a dearth of reading matter of interest to kids, teens, and young adults. Give them something of interest to read and write, and you'll be trampled. The more they read, the more they write, the more they practice, the more they'll want to. Plug a kid into your world and he'll pull the plug. Plug a kid into HIS world and you'll have him for life. b. Civic responsibility is an interesting issue given the current political climate of fundamentalist repression in the world. I don't see many of them jumping to learn RSS. Why would anybody learn RSS .. I don't know TCP/IP but it doesn't prevent me from using the products of it. So long as SOMEBODY knows it and can keep the technology alive, why would EVERYBODY need to know it? Just my opinions Nate Lowell ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge? (firehose)
This email covers two things. First, many thanks to everyone who has sent explanations of RSS. I haven't digested all the information yet - but from a quick read through all that has been sent I'm feeling much less ignorant, and very glad that I did ask the question. Second , a response to what Kenan Jarboe wrote (the response linking in with reference to Wikis) : Ken Jarboe - But, to what extent is the problem aggravated (or even caused) by information overload? (snip)Our goal in closing the digital divide is to make sure people have the option -- not that we shove their face into that firehose stream of information around us with they want a simple drink. This is an important issue - and one that we are struggling to address through the Teachers Talking (about ICTs) group. If we train teachers in rural Nigeria to access the Internet (through cybercafes) then how do we ensure that their hard-won sessions online are effective? If *you* could only access the Internet a few times a year - what would you prioritise? This is not just a rhetorical question - I am genuinely trying to find the best way forward for the teachers. In planning the course our first attempt at a solution was to set up a yahoo group (so everyone involved could rub brains and people would have a friendly face starting point when logging on to the Internet). The group members are a mixed bunch. Think of them in three broad categories - teachers in rural Nigeria, active supporters of the teachers, people with an interest in the issues of ICT and education who only contribute occasionally, or simply lurk. Soon after setting up the Teachers Talking (TT) yahoo group we began to develop a Wiki as a kind of resource bank. Once the TT course started, it became obvious that the teachers would have little opportunity to search though the Wiki for themselves. The teachers went online during practical sessions - with an emphasis on using the TT group emailing list - and the time raced by. The supporters played an invaluable role emailing the teachers through the group list, and it was the supporters who referred to the Wiki. They emailed precise Wiki links to the course members (and the facilitators). The course is over now, but the group is ongoing. The initial TT course members plan a follow up meeting in February. The organisers plan to run additional courses if sponsors can be found (the teachers pay course fees but that does not cover the full costs). Links relevant to TT: Wiki front page http://teacherstalking.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome Wiki page including photo http://teacherstalking.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Main/TeachersTalkingCourse A description that emphasizes the Teachers Talking support group.This was written to a set structure on the Changemakers website so gives a different view of the project http://www.changemakers.net/journal/04november/case1-14-8-25.cfm Home page of Teachers Talking yahoo group (you can join TT from here) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CawdTeachersTalking/ This is not a problem relating only to teachers and CawdNet's education Special Interest Group (SIG). CawdNet is involved with other SIGs - women, health workers, youths and farmers. We'd like to support them in their potential Internet use too, and we know some of the issues they want us to find out about, but we don't have the resources to set up the support groups. I would be very interested to make contact with others who (to develop Kenan Jarboeuse analogy) are tackling (or interested in helping us to tackle) the problem of dipping into a torrent with a teaspoon. Pam Pamela McLean CAWD volunteer CawdNet convenor TT course facilitator ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge? content management
Pam A content management system usually refers to a package of software that helps you manage a website, not your own computer files. Most blogging software (Blogger, Movable Type, TypePad) can be called CMS, as can the CivicSpace package, which I am currently learning for a couple of online community and campaign sites I am building. CivicSpace has many more features than a simple blogging system, is open source, and is still being improved by the team that started as Hackers for Dean and created DeanSpace. http://civicspacelabs.org/ A CMS usually allows you to maintain and update a site through a web interface, without using Dreamweaver or other authoring programs. That allows you to keep up a site wherever you are, in any internet cafe in the world. That and the fact that many of them are free make them powerful tools for web expression and collaboration, and a force to narrow the divide. Best Dave On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:29:57 +, Pamela McLean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another very basic question from Pam Stephen Snow wrote: (snip) (but I have found a use for the web and for a content management system). Content management system? Does that do what it sounds as if it might do? Is it a *system* that would help me to *manage* the *content* (currently stored on my computer in the best way I can figure out - a rather haphazard way which requires a level of *management* that is rather over-stretching my unaided mental faculties)... Is that what it does - manage content? Is it affordable? Is it set-up-able, and usable, by a non-techie who wants straight forward practical help - not a lot of playing around, and steep learning curves, and coaxing things to work? If so - how do I become transformed into a person with a (fully working) content management system? Pam ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a messa ge to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. -- The Daily Glyph http://www.gomaya.com/glyph Usumacinta http://www.gomaya.com/dams Cell 917 312 9733 ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge? content management
Pamela McLean wrote: Another very basic question from Pam Stephen Snow wrote: (snip) (but I have found a use for the web and for a content management system). Content management system? Does that do what it sounds as if it might do? Is it a *system* that would help me to *manage* the *content* (currently stored on my computer in the best way I can figure out - a rather haphazard way which requires a level of *management* that is rather over-stretching my unaided mental faculties)... Is that what it does - manage content? Is it affordable? Is it set-up-able, and usable, by a non-techie who wants straight forward practical help - not a lot of playing around, and steep learning curves, and coaxing things to work? If so - how do I become transformed into a person with a (fully working) content management system? Pam Hi Pam. You know, you might think it's an easy question that you ask - but instead you're asking a very significant question. I'll get to that. Yes, a Content Management System (CMS) manages content, but it's almost always mentioned with reference to a website. And with a website, it does exactly that - it manages content. And they are very easy to install, though the customizability of the system is directly proportional to the personal investment of installing. A lot of people, even with websites, don't know how they want to manage their content. In the context of the personal computer, I would *love* to tell you that this is exactly what it does, and that it's easy to install for such use, and so on. But it's not there yet, and the question you ask is significant because I think (after you asked) that it should be there. What a content management system does is it stores content in a database - the majority of these databases being a MySQL database, which is available at no cost (or, if you want to buy it...). The majority of CMS tools are available at no cost; I'm a big fan of Drupal and am often tinkering with it because I'm that sort of person. What a Content Management System allows you to do is file the same content under different names without having to store it more than once, which is exactly what I need on my machine! LOL. I think quite a few people could use such a system. Now you have me wondering how to create such a system. I'll take that to the FLOS community. ;-) -- Taran Rampersad [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxgazette.com http://www.a42.com http://www.worldchanging.com http://www.knowprose.com http://www.easylum.net Criticize by creating. Michelangelo ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge?
John Hibbs's message below seems to challenge the conventional wisdom which holds that the young are ready for the digital revolution while their elders resist it. The resistance to distance learning is not a new phenomenon: it is clear from much research that many young people prefer the conventional classroom, although why this is so is not clear. One possibility is the classroom allows for avoidance of participation, while online learning usually requires regular reading and writing. ( Classroom students apparently get away without buying or borrowing a textbook: how they can do this and pass courses is a mystery to me.) I might be one of those who would resist blogging, and would prefer conventional email. Blogging is less forgiving of half-formed or unformed thinking and errors of fact and syntax and spelling: it puts weaknesses on display for all to see. Further speculation on the cause or causes of this resistance to the new technologies would seem to depend on our further knowledge of what these students are currently doing with their lives that might help to account for their resistance. Steve Eskow [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John Hibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Eskow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Digital Divide Network discussion group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge? At 11:40 AM -0800 1/21/05, Steve Eskow wrote: His first chapter is called The Daily Me, and deals with ever increasing ability of the new communication technologies to allow their users to personalize what they receive, tailor what comes to them so that they only hear and see what they want to hear and see. Steve, we may have already passed the Rubicon. I have come to know over 100 college undergraduates quite well. I see them daily, share many-a-meal, and even have some say in important aspects of their lives. I'm reasonably sure they like me a lot, and might even respect me just because of my limited amounts of gray hair. But could I interest even one in blogging? Or for that matter the beauties of education by distance means? Or the NY Times on line? Or that their employers will expect them to communicate well, which means lots of reading and writing,all within an intelligently framed context. Nope. Not one bit. They just look at me as some cave man from the Ice Age. At lunch they gather around the boob tube, glued to comics, sports or a really and truly dumb movie. Most dinners, about the same. What news they get is carefully filtered to their political and athletic leanings - Bush supporters swear by Fox, leftists are inclined to MSNBC. Pro sports or collegiate, don't bother me with the other if I have no interest outside of Eugene and the Ducks. Not one takes a daily newspaper, few read the articles I send them carefully pruned about matters I *thought* would be interesting to them. Yawn. Yawn. Perhaps the worst of this is they hold tight to whatever opinions they have formed, easily comfortable with the notion that my opinion counts just as much as yours. Perhaps this all has little to do with the digital divide? Or should we be expanding our own definition of The Divide? And, in closing, I love RSS. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge?
Steve, You touch on a central downside to the Internet, in general. Because we are able to select information based on affinity we can get a lot more of what we are interested in -- at the expense of learning about things we might need need to know but are less interested in. To some extent, that is a value of media outlets, who create department stores of information rather than boutiques. This is becoming increasingly challenged, though, because of the intensifying melding of different media groups, which more and more cater to society's lack of time and to political interests in presenting information. From the beginning, email discussion lists and news groups made it possible to spend our time on the information we found most interesting or relevant without the messiness of stuff we didn't care about. RSS is just another iteration of that. It is a double-edged sword. Where, on the one edge, a free society is based on the ability to have unfettered access to information of our choosing, on the other edge, a free society's longevity is linked to common experiences, common goals and common understandings, which requires some connection to common information. As long as we continue to filter our experiences we run the risk of becoming not closer or more connected but more fragmented and disconnected as we share less and less in common. Steve Snow === Stephen Snow, MA, National Certified Counselor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where love stops, power www.commcure.com begins, and violence 704.569.0243 and terror. -- CG Jung -- Artist-Blacksmith Assn. of N. America (www.abana.org) Assn. For Community Networking (www.afcn.org) Charlotte Folk Society (www.folksociety.org) Int'l Society for the Study of Dissociation (www.issd.org) Si Kahn (www.sikahn.com) One Special Christmas (www.onespecialchristmas.org) GROW BY GIVING: VOLUNTEER === - Original Message - From: Steve Eskow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge? Andy Carvin cites Dan Gillmor's concern for the difficulties of creating an informed public: Dan Gillmor at the Berkman blogger confab today just made the comment that the public will have to learn to do a little more work if they want to stay informed. It's not just going to show up on their doorstep the way it used to be, he said. It takes more effort to stay informed now, he noted. So what can we do to streamline the process? This matter suggests to Andy the need for RSS literacy, so that finding and moving current information of matters of importance are in a very real sense automated. Like most matters of importance this one has another side--and in this other view RSS becomes part of the problem rather than the solution. Cass Sunstein of the University of Chicago calls his important little book republic.com. His first chapter is called The Daily Me, and deals with ever increasing ability of the new communication technologies to allow their users to personalize what they receive, tailor what comes to them so that they only hear and see what they want to hear and see. The book was published in 2001, well before RSS technology made it even more possible for me to receive only those messages I want to receive. That is: if I want to watch only sports on television, or rock and roll, or crime shows, I can so arrange my Daily Me to make that possible. I do not have to spend a moment on terrorism, or tsunamis, or global warming, or the digital divide. RSS technology, of course, increases my ability to receive messages only on those topics I choose to learn about. Sunstein build a case for holding that for a free democracy to function well two conditions must be met: First, people should be exposed to materials that they would not have chosen in advance. Unplanned, unanticipated encounters are central to democracy itself. Such encounters often involve topics and points of views that people have not sought out and perhaps find quite irritating. They are important partly to ensure against fragmentation and extremism, which are predictable outcomes of situations in which like-minded people speak only with themselves... Second, many or most citizens should have a range of common experiences. Without shared experiences, a heterogeneous society will have a much more difficult time in addressing social problems So: RSS feeds will insure that I have the latest and best information on terrorism or tsunamis. . . But only if I decide to let that information come into my computer, and my awareness, and my life. Does the Sunstein position have merit? If so
Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge?
At 6:54 PM -0800 1/21/05, Steve Eskow wrote: John Hibbs's message below seems to challenge the conventional wisdom which holds that the young are ready for the digital revolution while their elders resist it. It's not that the college students I know well resist technology. Universally, they have cell phones and text message like crazy. They get instantly touchdown-by-touchdown updates and have no trouble at all finding out, remotely, where the party is tonight. They can take digital photographs and wirelessly email same. But give them something to read outside of their required reading assignment that is unrelated to sports or fashion, and what you see is pretty close to armed resistance. They are cold - no, not cold - FRIGID! - to blogging, underscored by antagonism - yes that is the correct word - to writing assignments for old school professors who believe some aspect of their grade is determined by grammar, spelling, punctuation, paragraphing. You want them to write something on a *voluntary* basis? Gawd, Hibbs. ya gotta be CRAZY! -=--- Having said all this, I suspect this conversation (Steve) is best held on lists devoted to education? (Like DEOS?) Cheers, John ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge?
John Hibbs wrote: At 5:09 AM -0500 1/22/05, Stephen Snow wrote: It is a double-edged sword. Where, on the one edge, a free society is based on the ability to have unfettered access to information of our choosing, on the other edge, a free society's longevity is linked to common experiences, common goals and common understandings, which requires some connection to common information. ' In an event centric - and an increasingly nano-second world - isn't it even more important for those with a crucial message - like access to the Internet - to find ways to bind themselves with large events that already have big audiences? (Note the military has not lost the importance of same; thus taxpayer financed flyovers at the Super Bowl - all to large applause.) What are WE doing to piggyback our message to such events? What Big Name Messenger carries our cause to the kingpins of very large events? If money is the primer - and who can say that it is not? - which among us has a puncture proof theory why increasing access isn't good for the bottom line? It is good for some bottom lines. Consider the cellphone. People without infrastructure of water and dependable electricity can use these. And they are sold, at a decent profit. They are communications devices of increasing ability. And while I personally hate telephones, I can see that the future will revolve more around that technology than the desktop computer. Connecting people is really what we are talking about, isn't it? -- Taran Rampersad [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxgazette.com http://www.a42.com http://www.worldchanging.com http://www.knowprose.com http://www.easylum.net Criticize by creating. Michelangelo ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
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Why do I think it's a pipe dream that the general public will do a little more work to stay informed? Isn't this in the opposite direction of where the world has been going? Why did the Vatican change from delivery of the mass from Latin into the vernacular? Why did colleges, long ago, abandon the need for humanities students to read in Latin and Greek? Who operates a t.v. without a remote? or a garage door? Who wants to give up cash machines on every corner? Quit micro-waved popcorn? Sad as a lot of this is, the fact is we live in a nonosecond world that rarely undertakes *any* hard work without a direct relationship to their paycheck. I share Steve Eskow's worries about a society not underpinned with people who have good reading and writing skills; one that is already chilly to the merits of civic responsibility, I don't see many of them jumping to learn RSS. At 12:03 PM -0500 1/21/05, Andy Carvin wrote: Dan Gillmor at the Berkman blogger confab today just made the comment that the public will have to learn to do a little more work if they want to stay informed. It's not just going to show up on their doorstep the way it used to be, he said. It takes more effort to stay informed now, he noted. So what can we do to streamline the process? Sounds like RSS feeds will be one of the next major ICT literacy challenges for the general public, particularly when only five percent of people on the Net use RSS and they tend to be white, well-off, and very well educated, according to the folks at Pew. It will take this particular technology literacy (RSS savviness) for people to achieve media literacy and be well-informed as more journalism and civic discourse is produced for the Internet rather than broadcast or print -ac ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge?
At 11:40 AM -0800 1/21/05, Steve Eskow wrote: His first chapter is called The Daily Me, and deals with ever increasing ability of the new communication technologies to allow their users to personalize what they receive, tailor what comes to them so that they only hear and see what they want to hear and see. Steve, we may have already passed the Rubicon. I have come to know over 100 college undergraduates quite well. I see them daily, share many-a-meal, and even have some say in important aspects of their lives. I'm reasonably sure they like me a lot, and might even respect me just because of my limited amounts of gray hair. But could I interest even one in blogging? Or for that matter the beauties of education by distance means? Or the NY Times on line? Or that their employers will expect them to communicate well, which means lots of reading and writing,all within an intelligently framed context. Nope. Not one bit. They just look at me as some cave man from the Ice Age. At lunch they gather around the boob tube, glued to comics, sports or a really and truly dumb movie. Most dinners, about the same. What news they get is carefully filtered to their political and athletic leanings - Bush supporters swear by Fox, leftists are inclined to MSNBC. Pro sports or collegiate, don't bother me with the other if I have no interest outside of Eugene and the Ducks. Not one takes a daily newspaper, few read the articles I send them carefully pruned about matters I *thought* would be interesting to them. Yawn. Yawn. Perhaps the worst of this is they hold tight to whatever opinions they have formed, easily comfortable with the notion that my opinion counts just as much as yours. Perhaps this all has little to do with the digital divide? Or should we be expanding our own definition of The Divide? And, in closing, I love RSS. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
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Let me take this discussion in a slightly different direction. The conversation on narrowcasting and student apathy to information other opinions has been very interesting (and I may try to fit it into my own blog on the Intangible Economy - www.intangibleeconomy.org) But, to what extent is the problem aggravated (or even caused) by information overload? As Taran has said RSS feeds are nice, but they also suck in a lot of ways. Finding what you want when you want it has actually become a lot more difficult. There is so much information out there that it is easy (as some students do) to simply turn to your favorite news station for the same reason people by certain brands - they know basically what they are getting. It is an information-search short cut in an overly information-rich environment. One of the major appeals of blogs to me is their function as specialized information-broker - I read certain blogs to stay up on certain topics just like I subscribe to this email list to keep up with interesting ideas and insights. How does this relate to the digital divide? It does because I think we always need to keep in mind that there are many people who will react to information overload by shutting down channels of communications. DD survey's have consistently shown a percentage that don't want to be connected 24/7. Our goal in closing the digital divide is to make sure people have the option -- not that we shove their face into that firehose stream of information around us with they want a simple drink. Ken Jarboe At 12:03 PM 1/21/2005, Andy Carvin wrote: Dan Gillmor at the Berkman blogger confab today just made the comment that the public will have to learn to do a little more work if they want to stay informed. It's not just going to show up on their doorstep the way it used to be, he said. It takes more effort to stay informed now, he noted. So what can we do to streamline the process? Sounds like RSS feeds will be one of the next major ICT literacy challenges for the general public, particularly when only five percent of people on the Net use RSS and they tend to be white, well-off, and very well educated, according to the folks at Pew. It will take this particular technology literacy (RSS savviness) for people to achieve media literacy and be well-informed as more journalism and civic discourse is produced for the Internet rather than broadcast or print -ac -- --- Andy Carvin Program Director EDC Center for Media Community acarvin @ edc . org http://www.digitaldivide.net http://www.tsunami-info.org Blog: http://www.andycarvin.com --- ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge?
At 5:09 AM -0500 1/22/05, Stephen Snow wrote: It is a double-edged sword. Where, on the one edge, a free society is based on the ability to have unfettered access to information of our choosing, on the other edge, a free society's longevity is linked to common experiences, common goals and common understandings, which requires some connection to common information. ' In an event centric - and an increasingly nano-second world - isn't it even more important for those with a crucial message - like access to the Internet - to find ways to bind themselves with large events that already have big audiences? (Note the military has not lost the importance of same; thus taxpayer financed flyovers at the Super Bowl - all to large applause.) What are WE doing to piggyback our message to such events? What Big Name Messenger carries our cause to the kingpins of very large events? If money is the primer - and who can say that it is not? - which among us has a puncture proof theory why increasing access isn't good for the bottom line? John Hibbs http://www.bfranklin.edu ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge?
Steve, When television offered us only one or three channels, the medium tended to create the Daily Us rather than the Daily Me. Now that I can choose from an almost unlimited menu of channels there is a good possibillity that you and I are never looking at the same channel. We see elsewhere in the world pseudonations that are actually factions of clashing cultures without common values and goals to hold them together. As we develop and refine the new instruments of filtering and tailoring the messages that come into oour lives and heads, that danger of fragmentation becomes possible in all those nations that pride themselves on a common heritage and a common set of fundamental values. The point, perhaps, is that while we are refining the tools of the Daily Me we need to pay ssome attention to ways of creating the Daily Us. Steve Eskow [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Stephen Snow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Eskow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Digital Divide Network discussion group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge? Steve, You touch on a central downside to the Internet, in general. Because we are able to select information based on affinity we can get a lot more of what we are interested in -- at the expense of learning about things we might need need to know but are less interested in. To some extent, that is a value of media outlets, who create department stores of information rather than boutiques. This is becoming increasingly challenged, though, because of the intensifying melding of different media groups, which more and more cater to society's lack of time and to political interests in presenting information. From the beginning, email discussion lists and news groups made it possible to spend our time on the information we found most interesting or relevant without the messiness of stuff we didn't care about. RSS is just another iteration of that. It is a double-edged sword. Where, on the one edge, a free society is based on the ability to have unfettered access to information of our choosing, on the other edge, a free society's longevity is linked to common experiences, common goals and common understandings, which requires some connection to common information. As long as we continue to filter our experiences we run the risk of becoming not closer or more connected but more fragmented and disconnected as we share less and less in common. Steve Snow === Stephen Snow, MA, National Certified Counselor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where love stops, power www.commcure.com begins, and violence 704.569.0243 and terror. -- CG Jung -- Artist-Blacksmith Assn. of N. America (www.abana.org) Assn. For Community Networking (www.afcn.org) Charlotte Folk Society (www.folksociety.org) Int'l Society for the Study of Dissociation (www.issd.org) Si Kahn (www.sikahn.com) One Special Christmas (www.onespecialchristmas.org) GROW BY GIVING: VOLUNTEER === - Original Message - From: Steve Eskow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge? Andy Carvin cites Dan Gillmor's concern for the difficulties of creating an informed public: Dan Gillmor at the Berkman blogger confab today just made the comment that the public will have to learn to do a little more work if they want to stay informed. It's not just going to show up on their doorstep the way it used to be, he said. It takes more effort to stay informed now, he noted. So what can we do to streamline the process? This matter suggests to Andy the need for RSS literacy, so that finding and moving current information of matters of importance are in a very real sense automated. Like most matters of importance this one has another side--and in this other view RSS becomes part of the problem rather than the solution. Cass Sunstein of the University of Chicago calls his important little book republic.com. His first chapter is called The Daily Me, and deals with ever increasing ability of the new communication technologies to allow their users to personalize what they receive, tailor what comes to them so that they only hear and see what they want to hear and see. The book was published in 2001, well before RSS technology made it even more possible for me to receive only those messages I want to receive. That is: if I want to watch only sports on television, or rock and roll, or crime shows, I can so arrange my Daily Me to make that possible. I do not have to spend a moment
Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge?
John, et. al., Historically, the print journalism world does not consider college students as much of a market because they are not settled. traditionally, that has most often meant settled *down* with family, etc., usually meaning late 20s, early 30s. although some demographic shifts and the internet change that somewhat, it's still certainly true -- as you rightly spotlight -- that college students are not, by and large -- purveyors of regular reading for information on their own that might not be related to the location of the nearest keg. steve snow === Stephen Snow, MA, National Certified Counselor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where love stops, power www.commcure.com begins, and violence 704.569.0243 and terror. -- CG Jung -- Artist-Blacksmith Assn. of N. America (www.abana.org) Assn. For Community Networking (www.afcn.org) Charlotte Folk Society (www.folksociety.org) Int'l Society for the Study of Dissociation (www.issd.org) Si Kahn (www.sikahn.com) One Special Christmas (www.onespecialchristmas.org) GROW BY GIVING: VOLUNTEER === - Original Message - From: John Hibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve Eskow [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Digital Divide Network discussion group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [DDN] RSS: The Next ICT Literacy Challenge? At 6:54 PM -0800 1/21/05, Steve Eskow wrote: John Hibbs's message below seems to challenge the conventional wisdom which holds that the young are ready for the digital revolution while their elders resist it. It's not that the college students I know well resist technology. Universally, they have cell phones and text message like crazy. They get instantly touchdown-by-touchdown updates and have no trouble at all finding out, remotely, where the party is tonight. They can take digital photographs and wirelessly email same. But give them something to read outside of their required reading assignment that is unrelated to sports or fashion, and what you see is pretty close to armed resistance. They are cold - no, not cold - FRIGID! - to blogging, underscored by antagonism - yes that is the correct word - to writing assignments for old school professors who believe some aspect of their grade is determined by grammar, spelling, punctuation, paragraphing. You want them to write something on a *voluntary* basis? Gawd, Hibbs. ya gotta be CRAZY! -=--- Having said all this, I suspect this conversation (Steve) is best held on lists devoted to education? (Like DEOS?) Cheers, John ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@mailman.edc.org http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
