Re: D is dead (was: Dicebot on leaving D: It is anarchy driven development in all its glory.)

2018-08-23 Thread Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 23 August 2018 at 06:58:13 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Thursday, 23 August 2018 at 03:50:44 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: On 22/08/18 21:34, Ali wrote: On Wednesday, 22 August 2018 at 17:42:56 UTC, Joakim wrote: Pretty positive overall, and the negatives he mentions are fairly obvious to

Re: D is dead

2018-08-23 Thread JN via Digitalmars-d
evant here. BTW. on the offtopic note - the thread title doesn't look too good. Imagine being a newcomer, and the first thread you see on the forum is titled "D is dead".

Re: D is dead

2018-08-23 Thread Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 23 August 2018 at 06:34:04 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: On 23/08/18 09:17, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On Thursday, 23 August 2018 at 05:37:12 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: One that hurt me lately was a way to pass a scoped lazy argument (i.e. - to specify that the implicit delegate need

Re: D is dead (was: Dicebot on leaving D: It is anarchy driven development in all its glory.)

2018-08-23 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 23 August 2018 at 03:50:44 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: On 22/08/18 21:34, Ali wrote: On Wednesday, 22 August 2018 at 17:42:56 UTC, Joakim wrote: Pretty positive overall, and the negatives he mentions are fairly obvious to anyone paying attention. Yea, I agree, the negatives are

Re: D is dead

2018-08-23 Thread Shachar Shemesh via Digitalmars-d
On 23/08/18 09:17, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On Thursday, 23 August 2018 at 05:37:12 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: One that hurt me lately was a way to pass a scoped lazy argument (i.e. - to specify that the implicit delegate need not allocate its frame, because it is not used outside the function

Re: D is dead

2018-08-23 Thread nkm1 via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 23 August 2018 at 05:37:12 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Let's start with this one: https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14246#c6 The problems I'm talking about are not easily fixable. They stem from features not playing well together. One that hurt me lately was a way to pass

Re: D is dead

2018-08-23 Thread Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 23 August 2018 at 05:37:12 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: One that hurt me lately was a way to pass a scoped lazy argument (i.e. - to specify that the implicit delegate need not allocate its frame, because it is not used outside the function call). I don't see why we just can't

Re: D is dead

2018-08-23 Thread Shachar Shemesh via Digitalmars-d
On 23/08/18 09:04, Mike Franklin wrote: On Thursday, 23 August 2018 at 03:50:44 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: And it's not just Weka. I've had a chance to talk in private to some other developers. Quite a lot have serious, fundamental issues with the language. You will notice none of them

Re: D is dead (was: Dicebot on leaving D: It is anarchy driven development in all its glory.)

2018-08-23 Thread Mike Franklin via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 23 August 2018 at 03:50:44 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: And it's not just Weka. I've had a chance to talk in private to some other developers. Quite a lot have serious, fundamental issues with the language. You will notice none of them speaks up on this thread. They don't see

Re: D is dead

2018-08-22 Thread Shachar Shemesh via Digitalmars-d
On 23/08/18 08:20, Nicholas Wilson wrote: On Thursday, 23 August 2018 at 03:50:44 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: No, no and no. I was holding out on replying to this thread to see how the community would react. The vibe I'm getting, however, is that the people who are seeing D's problems have

Re: D is dead (was: Dicebot on leaving D: It is anarchy driven development in all its glory.)

2018-08-22 Thread Nicholas Wilson via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 23 August 2018 at 03:50:44 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: No, no and no. I was holding out on replying to this thread to see how the community would react. The vibe I'm getting, however, is that the people who are seeing D's problems have given up on affecting change. It is no

Re: D is dead

2018-08-22 Thread Eugene Wissner via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 23 August 2018 at 04:59:47 UTC, Dukc wrote: On Thursday, 23 August 2018 at 04:44:47 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: But, again, it is interesting to see what you took from my mail. I think the biggest problem is lack of reviewers when making PR:s. The fact that we have D language

Re: D is dead

2018-08-22 Thread Dukc via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 23 August 2018 at 04:44:47 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: But, again, it is interesting to see what you took from my mail. I think the biggest problem is lack of reviewers when making PR:s. The fact that we have D language foundation, state of D survey, extensive autotester and

Re: D is dead (was: Dicebot on leaving D: It is anarchy driven development in all its glory.)

2018-08-22 Thread Eugene Wissner via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 23 August 2018 at 03:50:44 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: No, no and no. I was holding out on replying to this thread to see how the community would react. The vibe I'm getting, however, is that the people who are seeing D's problems have given up on affecting change. It is no

Re: D is dead

2018-08-22 Thread Shachar Shemesh via Digitalmars-d
On 23/08/18 07:35, Dukc wrote: On Thursday, 23 August 2018 at 03:50:44 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Every single one of the people rushing to defend D at the time has since come around. There is still some debate on whether, points vs. counter points, choosing D was a good idea, but the

Re: D is dead (was: Dicebot on leaving D: It is anarchy driven development in all its glory.)

2018-08-22 Thread Dukc via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 23 August 2018 at 03:50:44 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Every single one of the people rushing to defend D at the time has since come around. There is still some debate on whether, points vs. counter points, choosing D was a good idea, but the overwhelming consensus inside Weka

D is dead (was: Dicebot on leaving D: It is anarchy driven development in all its glory.)

2018-08-22 Thread Shachar Shemesh via Digitalmars-d
On 22/08/18 21:34, Ali wrote: On Wednesday, 22 August 2018 at 17:42:56 UTC, Joakim wrote: Pretty positive overall, and the negatives he mentions are fairly obvious to anyone paying attention. Yea, I agree, the negatives are not really negative Walter not matter how smart he is, he is one man

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-29 Thread Don
JamesKan wrote: Andrei wants some (he just wants money, huh). Walter? Shut it down. Count the people engaged in this whatever it is, and if a few select capitalize on its failure, then, who are you? There is no money in D. None. Nada. Religions are not for profit. It's OK to worship, whoever

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-29 Thread Mike James
JamesKan Wrote: Andrei wants some (he just wants money, huh). Walter? Shut it down. Count the people engaged in this whatever it is, and if a few select capitalize on its failure, then, who are you? There is no money in D. None. Nada. Religions are not for profit. It's OK to worship,

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-29 Thread Walter Bright
Mike James wrote: All the money has gone to build a large volcano complex where Walter can sit all day stroking a white cat and plotting the downfall of C++... Eeexcellhhhnt!! twirls mustache

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-29 Thread Simen kjaeraas
Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: Mike James wrote: All the money has gone to build a large volcano complex where Walter can sit all day stroking a white cat and plotting the downfall of C++... Eeexcellhhhnt!! twirls mustache You've grown a mustache? Perfect!

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-29 Thread BCS
Hello Walter, I know a guy who got pasted enough in an online forum[...] got pasted? -- ... IXOYE

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-29 Thread Walter Bright
BCS wrote: Hello Walter, I know a guy who got pasted enough in an online forum[...] got pasted? It's an old expression for bombing an area to bits.

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread Bane
JamesKan Wrote: Andrei wants some (he just wants money, huh). Walter? Shut it down. Count the people engaged in this whatever it is, and if a few select capitalize on its failure, then, who are you? There is no money in D. None. Nada. Religions are not for profit. It's OK to worship,

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread Pelle Månsson
On 03/28/2010 07:16 AM, JamesKan wrote: Andrei wants some (he just wants money, huh). Walter? Shut it down. Count the people engaged in thiswhatever it is, and if a few select capitalize on its failure, then, who are you? There is no money in D. None. Nada. Religions are not for profit. It's OK

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread Fawzi Mohamed
On 28-mar-10, at 12:10, Bane wrote: JamesKan Wrote: Andrei wants some (he just wants money, huh). Walter? Shut it down. Count the people engaged in this whatever it is, and if a few select capitalize on its failure, then, who are you? There is no money in D. None. Nada. Religions are not

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread Fawzi Mohamed
On 28-mar-10, at 13:20, Pelle Månsson wrote: On 03/28/2010 07:16 AM, JamesKan wrote: Andrei wants some (he just wants money, huh). Walter? Shut it down. Count the people engaged in thiswhatever it is, and if a few select capitalize on its failure, then, who are you? There is no money in D.

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread Steve Teale
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:20:57 +0200, Pelle Månsson wrote: On 03/28/2010 07:16 AM, JamesKan wrote: Andrei wants some (he just wants money, huh). Walter? Shut it down. Count the people engaged in thiswhatever it is, and if a few select capitalize on its failure, then, who are you? There is no

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread Bane
Do you mean this one? What problems has D solved? (Other than providing compiler writers with masturbatory material). Light bulb (!!!): D is a circle jerk! (Not that there's anything wrong with that). It has a similar tone. Why would someone be so bitter and write so badly? Even if

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread superdan
Bane Wrote: Do you mean this one? What problems has D solved? (Other than providing compiler writers with masturbatory material). Light bulb (!!!): D is a circle jerk! (Not that there's anything wrong with that). It has a similar tone. Why would someone be so bitter and

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread Steve Teale
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:55:50 -0400, superdan wrote: jesus homies. hez a troll fer fucks sake. can't believe u r tryin' teh communicate let alone reason with dat asstodeepthroater. all groups haz trollz. its a sign of popularity. kudos homies but fuhget about it. u don't reason with'em

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread Walter Bright
superdan wrote: jesus homies. Hey, we missed you! Nice to see you back!

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread superdan
Walter Bright Wrote: superdan wrote: jesus homies. Hey, we missed you! Nice to see you back! yo walt. u rule.

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Steve Teale steve.te...@britseyeview.com wrote in message news:hononf$1tf...@digitalmars.com... Why would someone be so bitter and write so badly? Even if it were the case that D was not really any more than a discussion group for ideas about compiler design, it would still be a worthwhile

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread superdan
Steve Teale Wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:55:50 -0400, superdan wrote: jesus homies. hez a troll fer fucks sake. can't believe u r tryin' teh communicate let alone reason with dat asstodeepthroater. all groups haz trollz. its a sign of popularity. kudos homies but fuhget about it. u

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread superdan
Nick Sabalausky Wrote: Steve Teale steve.te...@britseyeview.com wrote in message news:hononf$1tf...@digitalmars.com... Why would someone be so bitter and write so badly? Even if it were the case that D was not really any more than a discussion group for ideas about compiler design, it

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread Walter Bright
Nick Sabalausky wrote: Maybe it's Bjarne Stroustrup and he's getting worried ;) (That's only a joke, btw.) With the troll's poor grammar and generally incomprehensible mishmash, I seriously doubt he's an alias for an accomplished and eloquent professional writer.

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread BCS
Hello superdan, Bane Wrote: I'd put it more bluntly than some (not to you Pelle) - piss off you anonymous prat, or be clear about your identity then we can all judge your motives. Steve I agree with Steve. jesus homies. hez a troll fer fucks sake. can't believe u r tryin' teh communicate

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread BCS
Hello Walter, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Maybe it's Bjarne Stroustrup and he's getting worried ;) (That's only a joke, btw.) With the troll's poor grammar and generally incomprehensible mishmash, I seriously doubt he's an alias for an accomplished and eloquent professional writer. I think

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread BCS
Hello JamesKan, Clearly the OP doesn't know what he's talking about so the following is mostly for the rest of us. There is no money in D. Well Duh! We all known that. Name a language that (directly) made it's creators money. (Hit: MS *gives way* the C# compiler.) The money is in the

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread Walter Bright
BCS wrote: I think you are correct, OTOH; what better way for such a person to hide than to forgo what they are best known for? True, except it's really hard to hide one's writing style. It's like trying to disguise your handwriting.

Re: D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-28 Thread Walter Bright
BCS wrote: Yeah, but it you make it hard enough to read, then people won't have any brain cycle left over to do pattern matching. /joke OTOH if you do it wrong, they might no even read it in the first place. It's also remarkably consistent in style with the other troll posts here, and

D is dead, so now where it the money going?

2010-03-27 Thread JamesKan
Andrei wants some (he just wants money, huh). Walter? Shut it down. Count the people engaged in this whatever it is, and if a few select capitalize on its failure, then, who are you? There is no money in D. None. Nada. Religions are not for profit. It's OK to worship, whoever stupid people

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