Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

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Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On 05/06/2016 07:04 AM, Chris wrote: On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 10:46:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: We've had several remarks at DConf that the traffic on this forum makes it intractable. There's good information, but it's drowned by the immense off-topic discussions. We plan to create one

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On 05/02/2016 05:49 PM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote: Of course, the other great difficulty is the [Chinese] writing system, which requires the memorization of between 1000-2000 different glyphs just to be able to read with some fluency. I'd argue that's really about the same as

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On 05/05/2016 10:52 AM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote: The older, more complex system preserves some of the arguably flagrant shenanigans by ancient Chinese scribes who went overboard with the whole derivation from radicals idea and invented some of the most ridiculously complex characters

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 01:01:25PM -0400, Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On 05/02/2016 12:22 PM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d wrote: > > > >In any case, learning any new language is hard - especially the > >farther it is from your own (e.g. Asian languages are going to >

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On 05/02/2016 12:22 PM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d wrote: In any case, learning any new language is hard - especially the farther it is from your own (e.g. Asian languages are going to generally be pretty brutal to learn for someone speaking a European languages). That sounds

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Friday, May 06, 2016 13:34:08 Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On 5/6/16 1:04 PM, Chris wrote: > > Ok, guilty as charged > > No need to feel singled out, most of us do this once in a while. We're > exploring either the creation of an "internal" forum (more focused) or > an

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 11:22:41 UTC, deadalnix wrote: On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 11:04:52 UTC, Chris wrote: Ok, guilty as charged, but a lot of threads turn into [OT] threads even if they start out as being on topic. This particular thread was never on topic, though. This needs to stop.

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On 5/6/16 1:04 PM, Chris wrote: Ok, guilty as charged No need to feel singled out, most of us do this once in a while. We're exploring either the creation of an "internal" forum (more focused) or an "offtopic" forum where such discussions can go. -- Andrei

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 11:04:52 UTC, Chris wrote: Ok, guilty as charged, but a lot of threads turn into [OT] threads even if they start out as being on topic. This particular thread was never on topic, though. This needs to stop. That said, [OT] comments are also important in a community

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Friday, 6 May 2016 at 10:46:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: We've had several remarks at DConf that the traffic on this forum makes it intractable. There's good information, but it's drowned by the immense off-topic discussions. We plan to create one more forum to address that, but one

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

A beautiful example of how loanwords are twisted around and how natural languages work: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crayfish

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

We've had several remarks at DConf that the traffic on this forum makes it intractable. There's good information, but it's drowned by the immense off-topic discussions. We plan to create one more forum to address that, but one thing we could all do to contribute is to refrain from continuing

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Thursday, 5 May 2016 at 23:47:15 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: Rule-based letter-to-sound systems don't work too well for English precisely because you have to basically reproduce 500 years' worth of sound change plus all the exceptions introduced by words borrowed from other contemporous

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 03:59:04 UTC, Seb wrote: On Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 02:57:47 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: To prepare for a week in Berlin, a few German phrases is all you'll need to fit in, get around, and have a great time: 1. Ein Bier bitte! 2. Noch ein Bier bitte! 3. Wo ist

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 05:20:00PM +, Chris via Digitalmars-d wrote: > As a not on the side, there are those who say that letter-to-sound > systems should never be rule based, they should purely be based on > machine learning. The proponents of this are usually native English > speakers. For

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

As a not on the side, there are those who say that letter-to-sound systems should never be rule based, they should purely be based on machine learning. The proponents of this are usually native English speakers. For English you do need machine learning. For Spanish not so much. If you can feed

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 04:03:46PM +, Chris via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...] > I knew I'd regret it, when I wrote "as you hear it in your head". :) :-) > The ideal is phonetic spelling (Spanish comes quite close to it). This > does not mean that you have a letter for each sound, or that you

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Thursday, 5 May 2016 at 14:52:00 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: [...] But hey, it's just a coding convention. We shouldn't be too attached to spellings, especially if reforms make it easier to spell (i.e. to spell out a word as you hear it in your head) and parse text. It's a code to

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 09:28:01AM +, Chris via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...] > There was a spelling reform in Germany in the 1990ies. Portuguese > spelling has been reformed several times (and there are two major > spelling systems Brazilian and Portuguese Portuguese)[1], and in > Spanish it has

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Monday, 2 May 2016 at 21:49:21 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: However, various recent attempts to reform English spelling have for the most part failed, mostly due to inertia and the presence of a substantial (and very fast growing!) body of literature in current spelling, which would require a

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Tuesday, 3 May 2016 at 08:53:49 UTC, Claude wrote: LOL. Well, every language has its quirks - especially with the commonly used words (they probably get munged the most over time, because they get used the most), but I've found that French is far more consistent than English - especially

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Monday, 2 May 2016 at 01:13:50 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: [...] Actually, in just about every language that makes gender distinctions the choice of gender for any given noun is basically arbitrary. Even languages with a common ancestor may assign different genders to the same ancestral noun

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

LOL. Well, every language has its quirks - especially with the commonly used words (they probably get munged the most over time, because they get used the most), but I've found that French is far more consistent than English - especially when get a grammar book that actually explains things

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On 3 May 2016 at 05:15, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On 5/2/2016 12:09 PM, Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d wrote: >> >> For every rule, there are 101 exceptions. :-) >> >> >> http://shirah-goes-again.blogspot.de/2011/01/entire-english-language-is-big.html >

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On 5/2/2016 12:09 PM, Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d wrote: For every rule, there are 101 exceptions. :-) http://shirah-goes-again.blogspot.de/2011/01/entire-english-language-is-big.html What's the problem? :-)

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On Mon, 2 May 2016 21:09:41 +0200 Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On 2 May 2016 at 14:55, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d > wrote: > > On Mon, 2016-05-02 at 12:18 +, Claude via Digitalmars-d wrote: > > […] > >> > >> In french,

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 06:22:49PM +0200, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...] > In any case, learning any new language is hard - especially the > farther it is from your own (e.g. Asian languages are going to > generally be pretty brutal to learn for someone speaking a European >

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Monday, 2 May 2016 at 19:09:41 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote: For every rule, there are 101 exceptions. :-) http://shirah-goes-again.blogspot.de/2011/01/entire-english-language-is-big.html As an educated native English speaker, I must say that poem is horrifying. Clearly, spelling reform is

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Monday, 2 May 2016 at 16:22:49 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Mon, 02 May 2016 13:55:35 +0100 Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Mon, 2016-05-02 at 12:18 +, Claude via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] > [...] Oh FFS. And they say English is a difficult

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On 2 May 2016 at 14:55, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Mon, 2016-05-02 at 12:18 +, Claude via Digitalmars-d wrote: > […] >> >> In french, there are 2 specials cases about gender. "orgue" >> (organ) and "amour" (love) are masculine on singular, and >>

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Mon, 02 May 2016 13:55:35 +0100 Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Mon, 2016-05-02 at 12:18 +, Claude via Digitalmars-d wrote: > […] > > > > In french, there are 2 specials cases about gender. "orgue"  > > (organ) and "amour" (love) are masculine on

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Mon, 2016-05-02 at 12:18 +, Claude via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] > > In french, there are 2 specials cases about gender. "orgue"  > (organ) and "amour" (love) are masculine on singular, and  > feminine on plural. Oh FFS. And they say English is a difficult language. -- Russel.

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

The same goes with French. e.g. body parts which one would think would be obviously masculine are feminine (and vice versa). Funny, it's actually true. I've never figured that out... :) In french, there are 2 specials cases about gender. "orgue" (organ) and "amour" (love) are masculine on

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 02:15:46AM +0200, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 08:43:52 +0200 > > Ha! There is no logical at all behind whether a word is masculine, > > feminine or neutral in German. > > The same goes with French. [...] Actually, in just about every

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 08:43:52 +0200 > Ha! There is no logical at all behind whether a word is masculine, > feminine or neutral in German. The same goes with French. e.g. body parts which one would think would be obviously masculine are feminine (and vice versa). The insight that one of my college

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 08:30:16 UTC, jack wrote: you keep forgetting about the english who were with the netherlands the largest slave traders of the world up to the first world war. additionally the english plundered most of the world f. ex. india etc. the americans who butchered the

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Sunday, 1 May 2016 at 06:24:53 UTC, Bill Hicks wrote: On Thursday, 28 April 2016 at 06:51:04 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote: The other language that helps in Berlin is Turkish. :) Ali Probably because Germans and Turks have been allies for over a century, learning from each other and perfecting

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Thursday, 28 April 2016 at 06:51:04 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote: The other language that helps in Berlin is Turkish. :) Ali Probably because Germans and Turks have been allies for over a century, learning from each other and perfecting their crafts, such as committing genocide, stealing land

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On 4/28/2016 6:49 AM, jack wrote: [...] Such comments are not welcome here. Please stop.

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Friday, 29 April 2016 at 08:04:44 UTC, Marco Leise wrote: Beware though that a not so cute Mädchen is NOT "die Made" by reverse This! Haha, genial, will try to remember and use ;-)

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

Dies ist warum, wir können kein nettes Zeug haben.

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

well you seem to run around and chose to close your eyes to whats going on - just another "gutmensch" who knows whats good. got a sister or a little brother? send have her go out these days alone - if you dare. moslem rapefugees and turks might get to know her/him very well. this is

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Friday, 29 April 2016 at 09:07:47 UTC, Marco Leise wrote: It might be difficult with your daily experience in Berlin to look at the world from above, but if you do it should become obvious looking at Turkey, Russia, Poland, Austria and Germany's own past or Donald Trump, that if we let these

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

Am Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:49:15 + schrieb jack : > unfortunately - too many islam and erdogan people Great anonymous comment directed at a Turk for him to take offense. How about you respect the constitution and ask others to respect it, leaving religion and ethnics aside? You'll

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Am Thu, 28 Apr 2016 09:15:27 + schrieb Chris : > Except when it corresponds to the natural gender, i.e. der Mann, > die Frau. It's interesting that the word for child is neuter (das > Kind). Looks like children are not yet considered to be of any > sex, which makes a lot of

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Thursday, 28 April 2016 at 13:49:15 UTC, jack wrote: On Thursday, 28 April 2016 at 06:51:04 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote: On 04/26/2016 07:57 PM, Walter Bright wrote: To prepare for a week in Berlin, a few German phrases is all you'll need to fit in, get around, and have a great time: 1. Ein

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Thursday, 28 April 2016 at 06:51:04 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote: On 04/26/2016 07:57 PM, Walter Bright wrote: To prepare for a week in Berlin, a few German phrases is all you'll need to fit in, get around, and have a great time: 1. Ein Bier bitte! 2. Noch ein Bier bitte! 3. Wo ist der WC! The

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On 28.04.2016 11:15, Chris wrote: Except when it corresponds to the natural gender, i.e. der Mann, die Frau. It's interesting that the word for child is neuter (das Kind). Looks like children are not yet considered to be of any sex, which makes a lot of sense. Then again Mädchen (girl) is

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Thursday, 28 April 2016 at 06:43:52 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote: On 27 April 2016 at 13:25, Marco Leise via Digitalmars-d wrote: Am Wed, 27 Apr 2016 03:59:04 + schrieb Seb : nitpick: Wo ist _das_ WC? In German WC we have definite articles and as

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 02:57:47 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: To prepare for a week in Berlin, a few German phrases is all you'll need to fit in, get around, and have a great time: 1. Ein Bier bitte! 2. Noch ein Bier bitte! 3. Wo ist der WC! 4. Ich bin ein Berliner! That may you get

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On 28/04/16 09:43, Iain Buclaw via Digitalmars-d wrote: Ha! There is no logical at all behind whether a word is masculine, feminine or neutral in German. In Hebrew, there is no such thing as a neutral noun, (though there are nouns that can be either male of female). When you go from one

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On 27 April 2016 at 04:57, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote: > To prepare for a week in Berlin, a few German phrases is all you'll need to > fit in, get around, and have a great time: > > 1. Ein Bier bitte! > 2. Noch ein Bier bitte! > 3. Wo ist der WC! 4. Zahlen

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On 27 April 2016 at 13:25, Marco Leise via Digitalmars-d wrote: > Am Wed, 27 Apr 2016 03:59:04 + > schrieb Seb : > >> nitpick: Wo ist _das_ WC? >> In German WC we have definite articles and as a WC can be used by >> both sexes, it is neutral

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Back two years ago when I moved to Berlin and began my German lessons I came up with a little haiku or singalong: Ich möchte ein Bier! Ein Bier für mich, und ein Bier für meinen Freund! Ich bin meiner bester Freund, noch ein Bier für meinen Freund!! On 4/27/16, Joseph Rushton Wakeling via

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 02:57:47 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: To prepare for a week in Berlin, a few German phrases is all you'll need to fit in, get around, and have a great time: 1. Ein Bier bitte! 2. Noch ein Bier bitte! 3. Wo ist der WC! Kein Bier vor vier ;-)

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 19:43:39 UTC, Chris wrote: By the way, some people in Berlin may speak with the local accent (most people would speak some sort of standard German though, unfortunately). Some things I know of (please correct me, if I'm wrong): ich = ick(e) "s" is often "t"

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On Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 12:26:29 UTC, Tobias Pankrath wrote: That makes cologne so tourist friendly. The waitress will refill your beer until you put a beermat on your glass. So only #3 is necessary. You will still need #1 ;)

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 02:57:47 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: To prepare for a week in Berlin, a few German phrases is all you'll need to fit in, get around, and have a great time: 1. Ein Bier bitte! 2. Noch ein Bier bitte! 3. Wo ist der WC! That makes cologne so tourist friendly. The

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 02:57:47 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: To prepare for a week in Berlin, a few German phrases is all you'll need to fit in, get around, and have a great time: 1. Ein Bier bitte! 2. Noch ein Bier bitte! 3. Wo ist der WC! After 10 beers: Wo ist hier das Scheißhaus?

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It just came to my ears that Seb was just joking about that WC rule. -- Marco

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

Am Wed, 27 Apr 2016 03:59:04 + schrieb Seb : > nitpick: Wo ist _das_ WC? > In German WC we have definite articles and as a WC can be used by > both sexes, it is neutral (disclaimer: not a rule). There are some reasons why some words are feminine, masculine or neutral, but I

Re: Walter's Famous German Language Essentials Guide

On Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 02:57:47 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: To prepare for a week in Berlin, a few German phrases is all you'll need to fit in, get around, and have a great time: 1. Ein Bier bitte! 2. Noch ein Bier bitte! 3. Wo ist der WC! Some footage of Walter's last trip in Germany: