Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Sunday, 31 December 2017 at 20:53:37 UTC, Muld wrote: ... Stop making noise except one-day you make another well-known language popular in the world called E. What a kind of people who you are ? and can make such a noise to well known and famous person who made such a great language?

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 5 January 2018 at 01:29:04 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: So it's highly unusual sets of people like that, or like the founders of Sociomantic, or like the EMSI guys, or Liran's guys at Weka that are likely to be D adopters in the next wave. Not people who can't see through error

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 at 03:07:57 UTC, IM wrote: On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 17:29:47 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 07:53:51 UTC, IM wrote: -- Better compiler errors, better compiler errors, better compiler errors. This is the only thing I greatly

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Sunday, 31 December 2017 at 21:16:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 12/31/2017 8:18 AM, IM wrote: What do you think? Do you agree that a process is needed? We've tried adding process before. It does not work, for the simple reason that it requires a dedicated group of people to dedicate

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Sunday, 31 December 2017 at 21:16:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 12/31/2017 8:18 AM, IM wrote: What do you think? Do you agree that a process is needed? We've tried adding process before. It does not work, for the simple reason that it requires a dedicated group of people to dedicate

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On 12/31/2017 12:53 PM, Muld wrote: Fix your shit A word to the wise. Being rude will just get you ignored by most everyone on this n.g. We insist on professional demeanor and courtesy at all times. Egregious behavior will get posts unceremoniously removed.

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On 12/31/2017 8:18 AM, IM wrote: What do you think? Do you agree that a process is needed? We've tried adding process before. It does not work, for the simple reason that it requires a dedicated group of people to dedicate time to it. Are you willing to do that? We have added process when

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 at 16:36:57 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote: Hey, I take offence to that. https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17839 https://github.com/dlang/dmd/pull/7503 https://github.com/dlang/dmd/pull/7508 https://github.com/dlang/dmd/pull/7509

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Sunday, 31 December 2017 at 05:43:57 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Please join and help out. I already have, and like I said there are problems with with the current system. I don't feel like helping anymore cause anything time I do my work just get dumped, and I've simply wasted my time.

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Sunday, 31 December 2017 at 11:27:41 UTC, Seb wrote: Yes, Dlang-bot was able to detect stalled issues for a while, but we didn't turn this on for all repositories. I have just enabled it: https://github.com/dlang-bots/dlang-bot/pull/153 For the moment, it is just labelling issues with

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Sunday, 31 December 2017 at 07:43:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 12/30/2017 11:23 PM, IM wrote: While we are discussing it here, could you please let me know what the bug triage process for each release cycle is? Is it random that anyone picks up whatever bug s/he feels like fixing? Or is

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Sunday, 31 December 2017 at 09:37:35 UTC, Meta wrote: On Saturday, 30 December 2017 at 14:42:45 UTC, Muld wrote: On Saturday, 30 December 2017 at 06:55:13 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: It's not like we have a shortage of bugzilla issues and are wondering what to do next. Yah there are a ton

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 at 14:42:45 UTC, Muld wrote: On Saturday, 30 December 2017 at 06:55:13 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: It's not like we have a shortage of bugzilla issues and are wondering what to do next. Yah there are a ton of Bugzilla issues, that's the problem. More than half of

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On 12/30/2017 11:23 PM, IM wrote: While we are discussing it here, could you please let me know what the bug triage process for each release cycle is? Is it random that anyone picks up whatever bug s/he feels like fixing? Or is it that if contributors will contribute X number of patches this

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Sunday, 31 December 2017 at 05:43:57 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 12/30/2017 6:42 AM, Muld wrote: In contrast this same problem exists for Bugzilla. You say it's working cause it's better than using notepad or some other stupid shit. Bugzilla isn't the issue, it's the fact the people

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On 12/30/2017 6:42 AM, Muld wrote: In contrast this same problem exists for Bugzilla. You say it's working cause it's better than using notepad or some other stupid shit. Bugzilla isn't the issue, it's the fact the people maintaining it aren't willing to commit to anything and leave issues

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Sunday, 31 December 2017 at 02:06:03 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote: 2. Feel free to look at the list of regressons. https://issues.dlang.org/buglist.cgi?bug_severity=regression=dmd_id=218477_format=advanced=--- "This list is too long for Bugzilla's little mind" Mmm..just imagine how our

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On 31 December 2017 at 02:07, codephantom via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Saturday, 30 December 2017 at 16:36:57 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote: >> >> >> All open issues are actionable, and require some action. They are not >> noise, and many issues whose fix requires a change

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On 12/30/2017 04:07 AM, IM wrote: I like what the D foundation did to the website, the language and library docs, the Learn section, the forums, the resources ... etc. That definitely gives the impression of maturity. As far as I'm aware, the foundation isn't too active in those areas;

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 at 16:36:57 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote: All open issues are actionable, and require some action. They are not noise, and many issues whose fix requires a change in language specification or semantics are understandably left to the few who have the authoritative to

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On 30 December 2017 at 15:42, Muld via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Saturday, 30 December 2017 at 06:55:13 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: >> >> It's not like we have a shortage of bugzilla issues and are wondering what >> to do next. > > > Yah there are a ton of Bugzilla

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 at 06:55:13 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: It's not like we have a shortage of bugzilla issues and are wondering what to do next. Yah there are a ton of Bugzilla issues, that's the problem. More than half of them aren't "actionable" as you put it. Here's the

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 23:27:38 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 12/29/2017 3:15 PM, Muld wrote: Bugzilla is a huge mess tbh, creating a request in bugzilla won't lead anywhere. Fixes for bugzilla issues are posted on github nearly every day. This does not mean anything, just cause

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 07:53:51 UTC, IM wrote: I will start: -- Better compiler errors, better compiler errors, better compiler errors. I really wish that the compiler errors could receive some refinement. Mostly it feels like some error text just being thrown at me. It needs

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 22:05:31 UTC, I Love Stuffing wrote: On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 09:46:05 UTC, JN wrote: AFAIK Rust doesn't have templates, but generics. Generics usually have much cleaner error messages because they are mostly used for generic functions and classes,

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 at 07:30:39 UTC, Elronnd wrote: On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 22:05:31 UTC, I Love Stuffing wrote: Also, for a mature D, some damn collections. Queues, Stacks, Deques, etc... std.container.dlist (https://dlang.org/phobos/std_container_dlist.html)? The queue

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 22:05:31 UTC, I Love Stuffing wrote: Also, for a mature D, some damn collections. Queues, Stacks, Deques, etc... std.container.dlist (https://dlang.org/phobos/std_container_dlist.html)?

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On 12/29/2017 7:07 PM, IM wrote: They start writing some code, and eventually they hit one of those unhelpful compile error messages, which could indicate one of the following: - An error in the engineer's knowledge of the language which the compiler didn't help to understand what it is so

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

Creating a bugzilla account takes a couple minutes. It is enough friction to serve as a reasonable filter against spammers and junk postings. It's not like we have a shortage of bugzilla issues and are wondering what to do next. It's working well enough for those who care enough to make an

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On 12/29/2017 5:40 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: > [...] PRs to fix bugzilla issues get submitted every day. I don't see a better way. I can't monitor every forum, I rely on you and others to do so and submit the issues.

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 17:29:47 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 07:53:51 UTC, IM wrote: -- Better compiler errors, better compiler errors, better compiler errors. This is the only thing I greatly care about anymore. Biggest problem D has in real world

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 at 02:37:24 UTC, IM wrote: Just curious, why Bugzilla and not something else? Bugzilla was the most well-known solution at the time. Keep in mind the D bugzilla has been around since 2006. As far as I understand it, migration at this point is deemed a big pain.

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 at 01:40:39 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 23:24:45 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: That's been closed for a while now. Well, take your pick: https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12694 https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13340

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 23:24:45 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: That's been closed for a while now. Well, take your pick: https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12694 https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13340 https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16059 You always tell people to

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 23:32:45 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: ... 3. Ideally there'd be a url one could click on, not an error code. No URLs! (unless they point to 'local' documentation). I do not want to become even more dependent on having access to the internet, in order to

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On 12/29/2017 1:57 PM, rjframe wrote: I noticed the Rust error has a code, too (E0308); if better error messages are too difficult to implement, assigning codes to error types and documenting them on the wiki could be helpful. Once you've dealt with an error type, the messages aren't that bad,

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On 12/29/2017 3:15 PM, Muld wrote: Bugzilla is a huge mess tbh, creating a request in bugzilla won't lead anywhere. Fixes for bugzilla issues are posted on github nearly every day. It's so bad honestly it'd probably be less work just to create a new bugzilla and port any relevant entries

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On 12/29/2017 2:31 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 21:30:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: This is not actionable. What is actionable is filing bugzilla enhancement requests with specific examples. I've done better than that: I've written pull requests.

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 21:30:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 12/29/2017 9:29 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 07:53:51 UTC, IM wrote:    -- Better compiler errors, better compiler errors, better compiler errors. This is the only thing I greatly care about

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 21:30:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: This is not actionable. What is actionable is filing bugzilla enhancement requests with specific examples. I've done better than that: I've written pull requests. https://github.com/dlang/dmd/pull/6806 There's also existing

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 21:56:26 UTC, Seb wrote: On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 21:34:14 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 12/28/2017 11:53 PM, IM wrote: Simple things like these make a big difference. D Lang has been around for a long while now, and hence signs of its maturity has to show

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 09:46:05 UTC, JN wrote: AFAIK Rust doesn't have templates, but generics. Generics usually have much cleaner error messages because they are mostly used for generic functions and classes, meanwhile templates can do that too but much, much more, but when they

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:34:14 -0800, Walter Bright wrote: > On 12/28/2017 11:53 PM, IM wrote: >> Simple things like these make a big difference. D Lang has been around >> for a long while now, and hence signs of its maturity has to show >> everywhere, especially in the compiler, as well as the

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 21:34:14 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 12/28/2017 11:53 PM, IM wrote: Simple things like these make a big difference. D Lang has been around for a long while now, and hence signs of its maturity has to show everywhere, especially in the compiler, as well as the

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On 12/28/2017 11:53 PM, IM wrote: Simple things like these make a big difference. D Lang has been around for a long while now, and hence signs of its maturity has to show everywhere, especially in the compiler, as well as the package manager. Diverging from the: file(line): message format

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On 12/29/2017 9:29 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 07:53:51 UTC, IM wrote:    -- Better compiler errors, better compiler errors, better compiler errors. This is the only thing I greatly care about anymore. Biggest problem D has in real world use. This is not

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 07:53:51 UTC, IM wrote: -- Better compiler errors, better compiler errors, better compiler errors. Very much so. I actually made a list a day or two ago. Some of it is more speculative than concrete, though: * unicode categories to determine what can be an

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 07:53:51 UTC, IM wrote: -- Better compiler errors, better compiler errors, better compiler errors. This is the only thing I greatly care about anymore. Biggest problem D has in real world use.

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 07:53:51 UTC, IM wrote: I will start: cut... Simple things like these make a big difference. D Lang has been around for a long while now, and hence signs of its maturity has to show everywhere, especially in the compiler, as well as the package manager. I

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 07:53:51 UTC, IM wrote: I will start: -- Better compiler errors, better compiler errors, better compiler errors. I really wish that the compiler errors could receive some refinement. Mostly it feels like some error text just being thrown at me. It needs

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 07:53:51 UTC, IM wrote: I will start: [...] Simple things like these make a big difference. D Lang has been around for a long while now, and hence signs of its maturity has to show everywhere, especially in the compiler, as well as the package manager. I

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On 29/12/2017 11:03 AM, maarten van damme wrote: >I'd like to see proper DLL (shared library) support and DIP45 implemented. I'm making a project that I hope in the future will be extendable with D plugins. Out of curiousity, what's wrong with the current dll support? The starting problem

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

>I'd like to see proper DLL (shared library) support and DIP45 implemented. I'm making a project that I hope in the future will be extendable with D plugins. Out of curiousity, what's wrong with the current dll support? 2017-12-29 11:36 GMT+01:00 angel via Digitalmars-d <

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

Built-in tuples: {val1, val2} = func(); On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 07:53:51 UTC, IM wrote: I will start: -- Better compiler errors, better compiler errors, better compiler errors. I really wish that the compiler errors could receive some refinement. Mostly it feels like some

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 07:53:51 UTC, IM wrote: I will start: -- Better compiler errors, better compiler errors, better compiler errors. I really wish that the compiler errors could receive some refinement. Mostly it feels like some error text just being thrown at me. It needs

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

AFAIK Rust doesn't have templates, but generics. Generics usually have much cleaner error messages because they are mostly used for generic functions and classes, meanwhile templates can do that too but much, much more, but when they break, you get entire paragraphs of template errors.

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 07:53:51 UTC, IM wrote: I will start: -- Better compiler errors, better compiler errors, better compiler errors. I really wish that the compiler errors could receive some refinement. Mostly it feels like some error text just being thrown at me. It needs

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

On Friday, 29 December 2017 at 07:53:51 UTC, IM wrote: I will start: I will add: // -- module test; import std.stdio; @safe void main() { writeln("I'd like to see @safe as being the default"); } //

Re: What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

You should fill an issue on issues.dlang.org for this particular case. Compile should give you some hint, that you should use lvalue instead of rvalue. On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 8:53 AM, IM via Digitalmars-d < digitalmars-d@puremagic.com> wrote: > I will start: > >-- Better compiler errors,

What do you want to see for a mature DLang?

I will start: -- Better compiler errors, better compiler errors, better compiler errors. I really wish that the compiler errors could receive some refinement. Mostly it feels like some error text just being thrown at me. It needs to be better formatted, more helpful, with suggestions