Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-12 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 22:06:31 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: So there was knowledge of said long history of ranges in C++. Far as I can tell >"Iterators Must Go" was immediately and universally recognized as a turning point in >how people approached getting work done using ranges.

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-12 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 12 October 2015 at 07:08:19 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: One of the most important and convenient iterators (which C++ fails to deliver) are what GoF calls "roboust iterators": iterators that allow deletions. To get there safely and conveniently iterators have to be made a

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-12 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 12 October 2015 at 12:29:28 UTC, Kagamin wrote: http://forum.dlang.org/post/hmtj0e$1qmg$1...@digitalmars.com Meh, library solutions are no good. Insertions and deletions mess up many things that effects performance, including vectorisation.

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-10 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 06:06:59PM +, Eric Niebler via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 06:15:10 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: [...] > >Anyhow, it's best for us all to focus on doing good work instead of > >pettily fighting for irrelevant credit. > > I only jumped in

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-10 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 09:52:22AM +0300, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On 10/10/15 12:58 AM, Eric Niebler wrote: > >Trying to express algorithms without any clear abstraction of > >"position within range" (independent of ranges) is hard and awkward, > >and occasionally causes

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-10 Thread Eric Niebler via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 06:15:10 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 10/10/15 12:58 AM, Eric Niebler wrote: To be honest, this whole conversation is kind of funny to me. It reminds me of the Bugs Bunny cartoon where Marvin the Martian plants his flag on Earth and says, "I claim this

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-10 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
On 10/10/15 9:06 PM, Eric Niebler wrote: On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 06:15:10 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 10/10/15 12:58 AM, Eric Niebler wrote: To be honest, this whole conversation is kind of funny to me. It reminds me of the Bugs Bunny cartoon where Marvin the Martian plants his

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-10 Thread deadalnix via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 18:07:02 UTC, Eric Niebler wrote: If I implied that I believe that D ranges were based on Boost.Range, then I apologize. I don't believe that. I suspect (but don't know) that ranges in D were independently invented without knowledge of the long history of them

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-10 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
On 10/10/15 12:58 AM, Eric Niebler wrote: To be honest, this whole conversation is kind of funny to me. It reminds me of the Bugs Bunny cartoon where Marvin the Martian plants his flag on Earth and says, "I claim this planet in the name of [Digital] Mars!" We Earthlings respectfully disagree.

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-10 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
On 10/10/15 12:58 AM, Eric Niebler wrote: Trying to express algorithms without any clear abstraction of "position within range" (independent of ranges) is hard and awkward, and occasionally causes algorithms to be less efficient. I agree that ranges are a weaker basis than iterators. But it's

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-09 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 22:57:01 UTC, Timon Gehr wrote: Isn't this the same as my suggestion? http://forum.dlang.org/post/mv3q34$bbg$1...@digitalmars.com If not, what is the difference? Your range is undoable. The difference I see is that you use full (should be frontFull) and

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-09 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
Also imagine you want to write an algorithm that iterates backwards, you must choose which set of primitives to use: back+empty+popBack or front+frontUndoEmpty+undoPopFront, and an undoable bidirectional range will support both.

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-09 Thread Eric Niebler via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 14:59:28 UTC, Trass3r wrote: On Tuesday, 6 October 2015 at 22:39:01 UTC, Ulrich Küttler wrote: Yes, this is an explanation. Thanks. So the argument being C++ customs. Now that you mention it, this seems to be the argument in Eric's D4128 paper, too. I was

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-08 Thread Trass3r via Digitalmars-d
Here's the original discussion with Eric's elaborate answer: http://ericniebler.com/2014/02/21/introducing-iterables/#comment-403 Because I want to leverage the vast amount of iterator-based code already written, and because in my experience, I don’t find that ranges as primitives solve all

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-08 Thread John Colvin via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 12:35:08 UTC, Kagamin wrote: Hmm... conceptually a bidirectional range should be able to iterate back and forth: void is_word_boundary(Bidi r) { bool is_word_prev = r.re.empty ? false : isword(r.re.back); bool is_word_this = r.empty ? false :

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-08 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
The backward range can have an input range interface, like retro: void is_word_boundary(Bidi r) { bool is_word_prev = r.prev.empty ? false : isword(r.prev.front); bool is_word_this = r.empty ? false : isword(r.front); return is_word_prev != is_word_this; }

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-08 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 14:59:28 UTC, Trass3r wrote: On Tuesday, 6 October 2015 at 22:39:01 UTC, Ulrich Küttler wrote: Yes, this is an explanation. Thanks. So the argument being C++ customs. Now that you mention it, this seems to be the argument in Eric's D4128 paper, too. I was

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-08 Thread John Colvin via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 14:36:03 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 13:10:24 UTC, John Colvin wrote: What you're effectively describing is a trio of iterators wrapped to give an interface of two linked ranges. popFront grows the first one and shrinks the second. I'd be

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-08 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 13:10:24 UTC, John Colvin wrote: What you're effectively describing is a trio of iterators wrapped to give an interface of two linked ranges. popFront grows the first one and shrinks the second. I'd be interested to see how to construct that, given a generic

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-08 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Thu, Oct 08, 2015 at 02:46:05PM +, John Colvin via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 14:36:03 UTC, Kagamin wrote: > >On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 13:10:24 UTC, John Colvin wrote: > >>What you're effectively describing is a trio of iterators wrapped to > >>give an

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-08 Thread Timon Gehr via Digitalmars-d
On 10/08/2015 10:08 PM, Kagamin wrote: OK, I thought a little more and... Name: divisible range. It occurred to me that we only need to reverse logic of bidirectional range: while bidirectional range is a pair of ranges that shrink towards each other, divisible range is divided into two ranges

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-08 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
OK, I thought a little more and... Name: divisible range. It occurred to me that we only need to reverse logic of bidirectional range: while bidirectional range is a pair of ranges that shrink towards each other, divisible range is divided into two ranges that shrink away from each other. The

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-08 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 14:46:07 UTC, John Colvin wrote: Another way is to provide a reverse range of previously popped items - this can be seen as iterator or not, more like a range with history rather than an undoable input range, so maybe the getter should be `history`. my question

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-07 Thread Trass3r via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 6 October 2015 at 22:39:01 UTC, Ulrich Küttler wrote: Yes, this is an explanation. Thanks. So the argument being C++ customs. Now that you mention it, this seems to be the argument in Eric's D4128 paper, too. I was hoping for a somewhat deeper reasoning. Out of curiously, I am

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-07 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 16:33:21 UTC, John Colvin wrote: On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 14:59:28 UTC, Trass3r wrote: On Tuesday, 6 October 2015 at 22:39:01 UTC, Ulrich Küttler wrote: Yes, this is an explanation. Thanks. So the argument being C++ customs. Now that you mention it, this

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-07 Thread John Colvin via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 17:13:45 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: As I understand it, there are algorithms that inherently need 3 iterators to do whatever is they do, and the question of how to deal with them has come up before in the newsgroup. I think that it's pretty clear that such

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-07 Thread Timon Gehr via Digitalmars-d
On 10/07/2015 07:13 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: ... If we _were_ to look at doing something more than straight ranges, we'd probably look more at something like Steven's cursors than adding iterators, though I think that there's a decent chance that that only really helps with containers (it's

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-07 Thread John Colvin via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 14:59:28 UTC, Trass3r wrote: On Tuesday, 6 October 2015 at 22:39:01 UTC, Ulrich Küttler wrote: Yes, this is an explanation. Thanks. So the argument being C++ customs. Now that you mention it, this seems to be the argument in Eric's D4128 paper, too. I was

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-06 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 6 October 2015 at 06:52:13 UTC, Ulrich Kuettler wrote: On Tuesday, 6 October 2015 at 02:31:53 UTC, Eric Niebler wrote: Given that starting point, ranges of different strength are an "obvious" next step that many people thought up independently. D took it one way and C++ went

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-06 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 10/5/2015 7:31 PM, Eric Niebler wrote: > The design of the D ranges and algorithms owe quite a lot to C++, and I've heard > Andrei say as much. D ranges owe plenty to C++ iterators and algorithms, no doubt. Boost ranges, I can't agree. > Stepanov did the hard work of defining common

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-06 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 6 October 2015 at 02:31:53 UTC, Eric Niebler wrote: On Monday, 5 October 2015 at 21:57:31 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Yes, you can build debug iterators that know their limits, or iterators with back pointers to the range. This is not an inherent property of Boost ranges, does not

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-06 Thread Ulrich Kuettler via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 6 October 2015 at 02:31:53 UTC, Eric Niebler wrote: On Monday, 5 October 2015 at 21:57:31 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Yes, you can build debug iterators that know their limits, or iterators with back pointers to the range. This is not an inherent property of Boost ranges, does not

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-06 Thread Ulrich Küttler via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 6 October 2015 at 07:09:21 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Tuesday, 6 October 2015 at 06:52:13 UTC, Ulrich Kuettler wrote: On Tuesday, 6 October 2015 at 02:31:53 UTC, Eric Niebler wrote: Given that starting point, ranges of different strength are an "obvious" next step that many

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-05 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 07:37:28 UTC, deadalnix wrote: Well, yes and no. Sure I'm sure there are precedent for ranges, be it in C++ or even I'm sure one can find them in other languages. I'm sure someone in the 70s had something like ranges already. Yes, certainly in the 70s, but I

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-05 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 3 October 2015 at 08:58:26 UTC, Manu wrote: My strategy has been to backport D ideas into C++ over the past year since my last failed attempt to get D into my office, and this has been an AGONISING and extremely time consuming process. I have slices, ranges (as best I can),

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-05 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 10/5/2015 9:39 AM, Eric Niebler wrote: On Friday, 2 October 2015 at 22:57:52 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: The begin and end are iterators, and don't encapsulate (i.e. constrain) what can be done with those iterators. For example, begin can return an iterator that can be used to increment right

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-05 Thread Eric Niebler via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 5 October 2015 at 21:57:31 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Yes, you can build debug iterators that know their limits, or iterators with back pointers to the range. This is not an inherent property of Boost ranges, does not appear in the Boost description of ranges (unless I missed it),

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-05 Thread Steven Schveighoffer via Digitalmars-d
On 10/2/15 6:57 PM, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/2/2015 10:49 AM, Eric Niebler wrote: On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 21:03:16 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: I don't see evidence that C++ had ranges before D. Boost ranges are not what we think of as ranges. Why not? Because it returns iterators.

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-05 Thread Eric Niebler via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 2 October 2015 at 22:57:52 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/2/2015 10:49 AM, Eric Niebler wrote: On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 21:03:16 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: I don't see evidence that C++ had ranges before D. Boost ranges are not what we think of as ranges. Why not? Because

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-03 Thread Manu via Digitalmars-d
On 1 October 2015 at 08:47, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote: > [...] > (D has seriously ruined my life; I simply can't bring myself to go back to > C++ anymore. At least not voluntarily.) OMG, this! Seriously, this is more true than I can express in words ;) My

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-02 Thread Eric Niebler via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 21:03:16 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: I don't see evidence that C++ had ranges before D. Boost ranges are not what we think of as ranges. Why not?

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-02 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 10/2/2015 10:49 AM, Eric Niebler wrote: On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 21:03:16 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: I don't see evidence that C++ had ranges before D. Boost ranges are not what we think of as ranges. Why not? Because it returns iterators. It should expose functions (or operators)

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-01 Thread deadalnix via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 05:47:25 UTC, Eric Niebler wrote: On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 04:08:00 UTC, bitwise wrote: I understand, but the C++ committee seems very conservative to me, so when it's this easy to add for(:) support by giving ranges begin()/end() functions, it makes me

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-01 Thread lobo via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 05:47:25 UTC, Eric Niebler wrote: ...[snip]... Hope that clears things up. It does, thank you. Eric P.S. I see lots of people here assuming that C++ is playing catch-up to D because D has ranges and C++ doesn't yet. That is ignoring the long history of

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-01 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 10/1/2015 2:31 AM, Joakim wrote: On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 08:37:37 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Sadly, Matthew's work seems to have disappeared from the internets and his web sites have vanished (rangelib.org). Update: found it on web.archive.org!

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-01 Thread bitwise via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 05:47:25 UTC, Eric Niebler wrote: On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 04:08:00 UTC, bitwise wrote: I understand, but the C++ committee seems very conservative to me, so when it's this easy to add for(:) support by giving ranges begin()/end() functions, it makes me

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-01 Thread Ali Çehreli via Digitalmars-d
On 10/01/2015 01:37 AM, Walter Bright wrote: > Update: found it on web.archive.org! > > https://web.archive.org/web/20050427085507/http://rangelib.synesis.com.au/ > > Anyhow, this is what I could dig up in an hour or so. Thank you for mining for that. From the days that I used to frequent

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-01 Thread Jack Stouffer via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 09:25:37 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Ranges because a D core language feature with D 2.021 Nov 25, 2008. Core language feature meaning it was no longer just a library construction, it was supported by foreach loops. As a library feature, it appeared in D 2.008

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-01 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 10/1/2015 11:18 AM, Ali Çehreli wrote: From the days that I used to frequent comp.lang.c++.moderated (before around 2009 or so), I remember an individual who was trying to sell the idea of ranges to the C++ community. As I remember, nobody took him seriously at that time. Reading the page

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-01 Thread Timon Gehr via Digitalmars-d
On 09/30/2015 06:06 PM, Joakim wrote: It is amazing how noisy some of the implementation code with templates is in C++: I felt like I was looking at some Haskell variant compared to how clean D would look for the same code. It's easy to write a clean Haskell version, in case you were trying to

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-01 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 9/30/2015 10:47 PM, Eric Niebler wrote: P.S. I see lots of people here assuming that C++ is playing catch-up to D because D has ranges and C++ doesn't yet. That is ignoring the long history of ranges in C++. C++ got ranges in the form of the Boost.Range library by Thorsten Ottoson sometime in

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-01 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
Ranges because a D core language feature with D 2.021 Nov 25, 2008. Core language feature meaning it was no longer just a library construction, it was supported by foreach loops. As a library feature, it appeared in D 2.008 Nov 27, 2007.

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-10-01 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 08:37:37 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Sadly, Matthew's work seems to have disappeared from the internets and his web sites have vanished (rangelib.org). Update: found it on web.archive.org! https://web.archive.org/web/20050427085507/http://rangelib.synesis.com.au/

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-30 Thread wobbles via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 30 September 2015 at 16:06:59 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Wednesday, 30 September 2015 at 01:45:49 UTC, deadalnix wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFUXNMfaciE From http://wiki.dlang.org/Component_programming_with_ranges Congrat H. S. Teoh Thanks for the link, I watched the

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-30 Thread Brad Roberts via Digitalmars-d
On 9/30/15 12:12 PM, wobbles via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Wednesday, 30 September 2015 at 16:06:59 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Wednesday, 30 September 2015 at 01:45:49 UTC, deadalnix wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFUXNMfaciE From http://wiki.dlang.org/Component_programming_with_ranges

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-30 Thread Jim Hewes via Digitalmars-d
I haven't watched it yet, but it seems to be similar to this one from NWCPP I watched recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yV2ONeWXyI

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-30 Thread Arjan via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 30 September 2015 at 01:55:43 UTC, deadalnix wrote: On Wednesday, 30 September 2015 at 01:45:49 UTC, deadalnix wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFUXNMfaciE From http://wiki.dlang.org/Component_programming_with_ranges Congrat H. S. Teoh Shared on reddit:

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-30 Thread Steven Schveighoffer via Digitalmars-d
On 9/29/15 9:45 PM, deadalnix wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFUXNMfaciE From http://wiki.dlang.org/Component_programming_with_ranges Congrat H. S. Teoh Ditto! Here is the link to the video at the time where D is credited, very nice compliment: https://youtu.be/mFUXNMfaciE?t=115

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-30 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:32:16AM -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On 09/30/2015 09:31 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: > >On 9/29/15 9:45 PM, deadalnix wrote: > >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFUXNMfaciE > >> > >>From >

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-30 Thread rsw0x via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 30 September 2015 at 01:45:49 UTC, deadalnix wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFUXNMfaciE From http://wiki.dlang.org/Component_programming_with_ranges Congrat H. S. Teoh D's ranges are inarguably the best part of the language and one of the major reasons to use it

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-30 Thread lobo via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 30 September 2015 at 22:51:24 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:32:16AM -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu [...] I watched most of the video (mainly the first half where he goes through the C++ version of the code), and I have to confess I couldn't help noticing just

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-30 Thread bitwise via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 01:32:17 UTC, bitwise wrote: I don't think it would be that hard to make something this possible: for(int x : iota(0, 5).to(3)) printf("%d ", x); Curiosity got the best of me: http://ideone.com/RoJxLa output doesn't show up for some reason, but it works.

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-30 Thread lobo via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 01:54:22 UTC, bitwise wrote: On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 01:32:17 UTC, bitwise wrote: I don't think it would be that hard to make something this possible: for(int x : iota(0, 5).to(3)) printf("%d ", x); Curiosity got the best of me:

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-30 Thread bitwise via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 02:53:25 UTC, lobo wrote: On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 01:54:22 UTC, bitwise wrote: On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 01:32:17 UTC, bitwise wrote: I don't think it would be that hard to make something this possible: for(int x : iota(0, 5).to(3)) printf("%d

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-30 Thread bitwise via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 00:42:43 UTC, lobo wrote: If ranges are accepted into ISO C++ I can't imagine it would be long before for(auto e:range). Special features are not necessary to do this. C++ for loop works on anything with begin()/end() functions. Real ranges could just be a

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-30 Thread Eric Niebler via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 October 2015 at 04:08:00 UTC, bitwise wrote: I understand, but the C++ committee seems very conservative to me, so when it's this easy to add for(:) support by giving ranges begin()/end() functions, it makes me doubt they will actually change the language for it. As of C++11,

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-30 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
On 09/30/2015 09:31 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On 9/29/15 9:45 PM, deadalnix wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFUXNMfaciE From http://wiki.dlang.org/Component_programming_with_ranges Congrat H. S. Teoh Ditto! Here is the link to the video at the time where D is credited, very

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-30 Thread Ali Çehreli via Digitalmars-d
On 09/29/2015 06:45 PM, deadalnix wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFUXNMfaciE From http://wiki.dlang.org/Component_programming_with_ranges Congrat H. S. Teoh Yay! :) I almost gave the same talk! This talk could have been a part of DConf 2014 if H. S. Teoh or I could go to the

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-30 Thread Wyatt via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 30 September 2015 at 02:59:40 UTC, Freddy wrote: So this is what APL feels like. /s Nah, the APL version would be shorter and only use builtins. ;) -Wyatt

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-30 Thread Ali Çehreli via Digitalmars-d
On 09/30/2015 08:02 AM, Ali Çehreli wrote: > if H. S. Teoh or I could go to the conference. Oops! I've mixed up the years. I did go to DConf 2014 but not DConf 2015. Still... :) Ali

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-30 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 30 September 2015 at 01:45:49 UTC, deadalnix wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFUXNMfaciE From http://wiki.dlang.org/Component_programming_with_ranges Congrat H. S. Teoh Thanks for the link, I watched the whole video today and it was a very good presentation by Niebler.

Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-29 Thread deadalnix via Digitalmars-d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFUXNMfaciE From http://wiki.dlang.org/Component_programming_with_ranges Congrat H. S. Teoh

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-29 Thread deadalnix via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 30 September 2015 at 01:45:49 UTC, deadalnix wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFUXNMfaciE From http://wiki.dlang.org/Component_programming_with_ranges Congrat H. S. Teoh Shared on reddit:

Re: Shout out to D at cppcon, when talkign about ranges.

2015-09-29 Thread Freddy via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 30 September 2015 at 01:45:49 UTC, deadalnix wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFUXNMfaciE From http://wiki.dlang.org/Component_programming_with_ranges Congrat H. S. Teoh So this is what APL feels like. /s