Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-22 Thread Robert Jacques
On Fri, 10 May 2013 05:08:09 -0700, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPr2UspS0fE Andrei Thanks. I noticed a subtle error in the response to the question on logical const (at 32:11). Specifically, overloading the function on

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-22 Thread Ali Çehreli
On 05/21/2013 04:58 PM, Robert Jacques wrote: the response to the question on logical const (at 32:11). I think 31:22 is more precise. Ali

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-17 Thread Dicebot
On Thursday, 16 May 2013 at 19:52:51 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:13:27 Regan Heath wrote: So, who's responsibility is it to ensure the function/method call executes without errors caused by mutable shared data? I think that for the most part, the question of

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-17 Thread Regan Heath
On Thu, 16 May 2013 20:52:35 +0100, Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmx.com wrote: On Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:13:27 Regan Heath wrote: So, who's responsibility is it to ensure the function/method call executes without errors caused by mutable shared data? I think that for the most part,

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-17 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 5/12/13, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: Again, I don't understand what the problem is. I understand now this is made this way to encourage discussions. I apologize if I sounded smug, it was uncalled for.

Re: Broken web forums threading? [was: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli]

2013-05-17 Thread Vladimir Panteleev
On Thursday, 16 May 2013 at 08:08:37 UTC, Leandro Lucarella wrote: Thanks for pointing that out, but I think there is a problem with the forum software (I guess you are reading the NG using the web forums?). My client properly set the In-Reply-To: header. I checked manually the e-mail you

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-16 Thread Simen Kjaeraas
On Thu, 16 May 2013 01:40:51 +0200, Andrej Mitrovic andrej.mitrov...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/16/13, Nick Sabalausky seewebsitetocontac...@semitwist.com wrote: I wasn't around back then. :) You must be very young, quite a prodigy, really ;) I'm still learning the alphabet, I'm only at D

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-16 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 2013-05-16 05:48, deadalnix wrote: Completely off topic : your NG client is splitting the discussion, creating a new one on every answer you make. At don't see a split in this topic at all using Thunderbird. That's probably a first time. -- /Jacob Carlborg

Broken web forums threading? [was: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli]

2013-05-16 Thread Leandro Lucarella
deadalnix, el 16 de May a las 05:48 me escribiste: On Wednesday, 15 May 2013 at 20:08:23 UTC, Leandro Lucarella wrote: OK, yeah, I thought I read 10 months somewhere and didn't do the math myself. 2.5 months is still high for my taste (and I insist, only if is just a marketing issue and not

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-16 Thread Dicebot
On Wednesday, 15 May 2013 at 17:32:14 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: You probably should actually quote part of the message so that it's easier to figure out exactly which message you're replying to it. It is hard to quote the video :) I was referring to the part starting somewhere here:

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-16 Thread 1100110
On 05/16/2013 02:55 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2013-05-16 05:48, deadalnix wrote: Completely off topic : your NG client is splitting the discussion, creating a new one on every answer you make. At don't see a split in this topic at all using Thunderbird. That's probably a first time.

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-16 Thread Regan Heath
On Wed, 15 May 2013 18:32:03 +0100, Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmx.com wrote: What's less clear is what to do when a function accepts strings but isn't really operating on them (e.g stuff in std.file or std.net.curl), as they may need immutable(char)[]. In that case, it depends on what's

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-16 Thread Dicebot
On Thursday, 16 May 2013 at 10:13:28 UTC, Regan Heath wrote: ... I agree that this is a caller responsibility. What leaves me in doubts is how this responsibility is enforced though. With const nothing in type system prevents caller to violate that contract and mutate data during function

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-16 Thread Regan Heath
On Thu, 16 May 2013 11:25:48 +0100, Dicebot m.stras...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, 16 May 2013 at 10:13:28 UTC, Regan Heath wrote: ... I agree that this is a caller responsibility. What leaves me in doubts is how this responsibility is enforced though. With const nothing in type system

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-16 Thread Regan Heath
On Thu, 16 May 2013 12:06:18 +0100, Dicebot m.stras...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, 16 May 2013 at 10:41:51 UTC, Regan Heath wrote: True, it's not enforced. But, that's because the responsibility lies with the caller, and I think this is a reasonable position to take in these cases

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-16 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:13:27 Regan Heath wrote: So, I think in cases where the function/method doesn't need to retain the argument for longer than the lifetime of the call it should accept const(char), otherwise as you mentioned earlier it's better to simply require the caller provide

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-16 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:13:27 Regan Heath wrote: So, who's responsibility is it to ensure the function/method call executes without errors caused by mutable shared data? I think that for the most part, the question of thread-safety and const that you've been discussing is moot. const by

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-15 Thread Dicebot
On Friday, 10 May 2013 at 12:08:10 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: ... After some more thinking on topic I get the feeling that this is yet another case when having defined and working scope for function parameters would have been extremely useful. Lets imagine some string processing

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-15 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 09:42:06 Dicebot wrote: On Friday, 10 May 2013 at 12:08:10 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: ... You probably should actually quote part of the message so that it's easier to figure out exactly which message you're replying to it. Presentation recommends to use

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-15 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 5/14/13, Steven Schveighoffer schvei...@yahoo.com wrote: BTW, for comparison: Dconf 2007: 8/25-8/27 2007 Slides posted: 7/10/2008 I wasn't around back then. :) On 5/14/13, Steven Schveighoffer schvei...@yahoo.com wrote: Reminds me of Lewis CK's Everything is amazing, and nobody is happy

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-15 Thread Leandro Lucarella
Andrei Alexandrescu, el 14 de May a las 20:27 me escribiste: On 5/14/13 7:29 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: Walter Bright, el 12 de May a las 11:42 me escribiste: On 5/12/2013 3:49 AM, John Colvin wrote: As frustrating as it is for non-attending enthusiasts like myself, I'd say stick with the

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-15 Thread Leandro Lucarella
Steven Schveighoffer, el 14 de May a las 20:35 me escribiste: On Tue, 14 May 2013 20:26:36 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: On 5/14/13 7:24 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: Still, 10 months seems crazy. As somebody mentioned before, 1 month seems much more

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-15 Thread Leandro Lucarella
Andrei Alexandrescu, el 14 de May a las 20:26 me escribiste: On 5/14/13 7:24 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: Andrei Alexandrescu, el 11 de May a las 20:22 me escribiste: On 5/11/13 7:39 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Furthermore, my whole point was nothing more than to merely suggest that *maybe*

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-15 Thread Nick Sabalausky
On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:18:26 +0200 Andrej Mitrovic andrej.mitrov...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/14/13, Steven Schveighoffer schvei...@yahoo.com wrote: BTW, for comparison: Dconf 2007: 8/25-8/27 2007 Slides posted: 7/10/2008 I wasn't around back then. :) You must be very young, quite a

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-15 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 5/16/13, Nick Sabalausky seewebsitetocontac...@semitwist.com wrote: I wasn't around back then. :) You must be very young, quite a prodigy, really ;) I'm still learning the alphabet, I'm only at D now!

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-15 Thread deadalnix
On Wednesday, 15 May 2013 at 20:08:23 UTC, Leandro Lucarella wrote: OK, yeah, I thought I read 10 months somewhere and didn't do the math myself. 2.5 months is still high for my taste (and I insist, only if is just a marketing issue and not the lack of power to edit the talks), but more

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-14 Thread deadalnix
On Monday, 13 May 2013 at 17:18:34 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 5/13/2013 9:04 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: Also keep in mind, that you can simply ignore the postings for a few weeks, and then all will be available at once. This is like waiting for the season to come out on dvd or netflix

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-14 Thread Leandro Lucarella
Andrei Alexandrescu, el 11 de May a las 20:22 me escribiste: On 5/11/13 7:39 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Furthermore, my whole point was nothing more than to merely suggest that *maybe* the delay should simply be somewhat less, *not* a demand or expectation, and *not* even a suggestion that

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-14 Thread Leandro Lucarella
Walter Bright, el 12 de May a las 11:42 me escribiste: On 5/12/2013 3:49 AM, John Colvin wrote: As frustrating as it is for non-attending enthusiasts like myself, I'd say stick with the current schedule. The marketing checks out. So far, it's been a big success on Reddit doing it this way.

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-14 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 5/14/13 7:24 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: Andrei Alexandrescu, el 11 de May a las 20:22 me escribiste: On 5/11/13 7:39 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Furthermore, my whole point was nothing more than to merely suggest that *maybe* the delay should simply be somewhat less, *not* a demand or

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-14 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Tue, 14 May 2013 20:26:36 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: On 5/14/13 7:24 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: Still, 10 months seems crazy. As somebody mentioned before, 1 month seems much more reasonable, 2 at most. With three a week we'll be done in five

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-14 Thread Nick Sabalausky
On Tue, 14 May 2013 20:26:36 -0400 Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: Still, 10 months seems crazy. As somebody mentioned before, 1 month seems much more reasonable, 2 at most. With three a week we'll be done in five more weeks. Please explain why you find that

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-14 Thread 1100110
On 05/12/2013 04:19 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2013-05-11 22:50, Jonathan M Davis wrote: He's serious. If you post them all at once, then each video gets minimal impact. A lot of people will look at one, maybe two, and then not bother with the rest, because all of them showed up at once,

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-14 Thread 1100110
On 05/10/2013 08:00 PM, Flamaros wrote: On Friday, 10 May 2013 at 18:45:15 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:08:09 -0400 Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPr2UspS0fE Torrents up for both the low-quality FLV

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-14 Thread 1100110
On 05/12/2013 01:44 PM, Walter Bright wrote: On 5/12/2013 7:16 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: I was also thinking mon/wed/fri would be a great schedule! That does fit in with the observed phenomenon that a posting on reddit has a shelf life of about 2 days, and the statistics that posting on

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-13 Thread Regan Heath
On Sun, 12 May 2013 01:22:57 +0100, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: On 5/11/13 7:39 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Furthermore, my whole point was nothing more than to merely suggest that *maybe* the delay should simply be somewhat less, *not* a demand or expectation,

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-13 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Sat, 11 May 2013 20:22:57 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: On 5/11/13 7:39 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Furthermore, my whole point was nothing more than to merely suggest that *maybe* the delay should simply be somewhat less, *not* a demand or expectation,

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-13 Thread Walter Bright
On 5/13/2013 9:04 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: Also keep in mind, that you can simply ignore the postings for a few weeks, and then all will be available at once. This is like waiting for the season to come out on dvd or netflix :) Yeah, I'll often record a whole season on the dvr, then

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-13 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 2013-05-13 18:04, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: I am happy with any reasonable schedule, including the current. 3 a week is max. BTW, this whole I need it now mentality reminds me of my first days of having a TiVo. My wife and I liked law and order (the show, but also the real thing too),

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-13 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Mon, 13 May 2013 14:35:14 -0400, Jacob Carlborg d...@me.com wrote: On 2013-05-13 18:04, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: I am happy with any reasonable schedule, including the current. 3 a week is max. BTW, this whole I need it now mentality reminds me of my first days of having a TiVo. My

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-13 Thread nazriel
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 13:49:05 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 00:22:58 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Sure - let's take a quick poll on what would be the best release schedule. I kinda like the idea of one a day on monday/wednesday/friday. It'd be paced kinda like a

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-13 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 2013-05-13 20:41, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: My point was, I would not like to see d conference videos becoming a chore to watch so you can keep up with the latest discussion. Oh, you mean the discussion. I was just thinking, if you don't want to watch more, then don't. -- /Jacob

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-13 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 5/13/13, Steven Schveighoffer schvei...@yahoo.com wrote: In about 4 days, I remember coming home and seeing 4 more hours and saying, aw crap, we have four hours of TV to watch When it became a chore, we deleted the season pass. Isn't this an issue with Tivo only having limited space to

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-13 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Monday, May 13, 2013 23:43:01 Andrej Mitrovic wrote: Anyway I wish this PR stunt was announce *beforehand*. Well, AFAIK, it was never stated that the videos would be posted quickly. For a while, it wasn't even clear whether the conference would even be recorded. So, we're very lucky to have

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-13 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Mon, 13 May 2013 17:43:01 -0400, Andrej Mitrovic andrej.mitrov...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/13/13, Steven Schveighoffer schvei...@yahoo.com wrote: In about 4 days, I remember coming home and seeing 4 more hours and saying, aw crap, we have four hours of TV to watch When it became a chore,

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-13 Thread dnewbie
On Friday, 10 May 2013 at 12:08:10 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPr2UspS0fE Andrei Very good presentation. Thank you Ali.

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-13 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Mon, 13 May 2013 17:43:01 -0400, Andrej Mitrovic andrej.mitrov...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway I wish this PR stunt was announce *beforehand*. BTW, for comparison: Dconf 2007: 8/25-8/27 2007 Slides posted: 7/10/2008 http://forum.dlang.org/post/g54ptt$2so2$1...@digitalmars.com Reminds

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-13 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Mon, 13 May 2013 17:43:01 -0400, Andrej Mitrovic andrej.mitrov...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway I wish this PR stunt was announce *beforehand*. BTW, for comparison: Dconf 2007: 8/25-8/27 2007 Videos posted: 7/10/2008 http://forum.dlang.org/post/g54ptt$2so2$1...@digitalmars.com Reminds

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-13 Thread Ali Çehreli
On 05/13/2013 03:41 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: Dconf 2007: 8/25-8/27 2007 Videos posted: 7/10/2008 http://forum.dlang.org/post/g54ptt$2so2$1...@digitalmars.com I found the videos here: http://www.youtube.com/user/braddr1 Ali

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-13 Thread nazriel
On Friday, 10 May 2013 at 12:08:10 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPr2UspS0fE Andrei I just finished watching. Very, very good presentation. A lot of interesting stuff in here. Also those here comes the correct answer were really funny, made me laugh

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread Christopher Nicholson-Sauls
I didn't get to go, simply because I could not make the time for it. (Isn't it always the way...) There are a few videos that I'm specifically waiting for, but perhaps more importantly I look forward to sharing them with specific people (the kind of people who might be able to convince

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread TommiT
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 00:22:58 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Sure - let's take a quick poll on what would be the best release schedule. Andrei I vote one video per day.

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread Simen Kjaeraas
On 2013-05-12, 02:22, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 5/11/13 7:39 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Furthermore, my whole point was nothing more than to merely suggest that *maybe* the delay should simply be somewhat less, *not* a demand or expectation, and *not* even a suggestion that they should all

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread Kapps
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 08:55:03 UTC, Simen Kjaeraas wrote: On 2013-05-12, 02:22, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 5/11/13 7:39 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Furthermore, my whole point was nothing more than to merely suggest that *maybe* the delay should simply be somewhat less, *not* a demand

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread Dicebot
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 00:22:58 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 5/11/13 7:39 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Furthermore, my whole point was nothing more than to merely suggest that *maybe* the delay should simply be somewhat less, *not* a demand or expectation, and *not* even a suggestion

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 2013-05-11 22:50, Jonathan M Davis wrote: He's serious. If you post them all at once, then each video gets minimal impact. A lot of people will look at one, maybe two, and then not bother with the rest, because all of them showed up at once, whereas if they're posted over a longer period of

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread deadalnix
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 00:22:58 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 5/11/13 7:39 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Furthermore, my whole point was nothing more than to merely suggest that *maybe* the delay should simply be somewhat less, *not* a demand or expectation, and *not* even a suggestion

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread John Colvin
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 00:22:58 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 5/11/13 7:39 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Furthermore, my whole point was nothing more than to merely suggest that *maybe* the delay should simply be somewhat less, *not* a demand or expectation, and *not* even a suggestion

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread MattCoder
On Friday, 10 May 2013 at 15:26:07 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 5/10/13 11:24 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2013-05-10 16:38, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Two a week. Is there a reason for this? Maximize impact. Andrei Well, just be careful because this could become a double edged

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread Faux Amis
On 12-5-2013 10:47, Simen Kjaeraas wrote: On 2013-05-12, 02:22, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 5/11/13 7:39 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Furthermore, my whole point was nothing more than to merely suggest that *maybe* the delay should simply be somewhat less, *not* a demand or expectation, and

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 5/12/13 9:14 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 5/12/13, Andrei Alexandrescuseewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: Sure - let's take a quick poll on what would be the best release schedule. Let's take a quick poll on how often we should make new pull requests. I say let's limit ourselves to only

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread Adam D. Ruppe
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 00:22:58 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Sure - let's take a quick poll on what would be the best release schedule. I kinda like the idea of one a day on monday/wednesday/friday. It'd be paced kinda like a college class then, easy to remember timing, and should keep

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 5/12/13 9:49 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 00:22:58 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Sure - let's take a quick poll on what would be the best release schedule. I kinda like the idea of one a day on monday/wednesday/friday. It'd be paced kinda like a college class then,

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread MattCoder
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 14:16:26 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 5/12/13 9:49 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 00:22:58 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Sure - let's take a quick poll on what would be the best release schedule. I kinda like the idea of one a day on

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread Dmitry Olshansky
12-May-2013 17:49, Adam D. Ruppe пишет: On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 00:22:58 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Sure - let's take a quick poll on what would be the best release schedule. I kinda like the idea of one a day on monday/wednesday/friday. It'd be paced kinda like a college class then,

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On 05/12/2013 10:16 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: I was also thinking mon/wed/fri would be a great schedule! +1, Reasonable compromise

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread Diggory
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 14:16:26 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: I was also thinking mon/wed/fri would be a great schedule! Andrei +1

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread Alix Pexton
On 12/05/2013 01:22, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Sure - let's take a quick poll on what would be the best release schedule. Andrei I think 2 a week is about right. I watched Ali's twice, and might watch it again, I'm sure I've not taken it all in yet! If they are all released too quickly,

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread Walter Bright
On 5/12/2013 3:49 AM, John Colvin wrote: As frustrating as it is for non-attending enthusiasts like myself, I'd say stick with the current schedule. The marketing checks out. So far, it's been a big success on Reddit doing it this way. I've also seen a number of comments on Reddit and Hacker

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread Walter Bright
On 5/12/2013 7:16 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: I was also thinking mon/wed/fri would be a great schedule! That does fit in with the observed phenomenon that a posting on reddit has a shelf life of about 2 days, and the statistics that posting on reddit on a weekend dooms it.

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-12 Thread Nick Sabalausky
On Sat, 11 May 2013 20:22:57 -0400 Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: On 5/11/13 7:39 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Furthermore, my whole point was nothing more than to merely suggest that *maybe* the delay should simply be somewhat less, *not* a demand or expectation,

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-11 Thread MattCoder
On Friday, 10 May 2013 at 12:08:10 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPr2UspS0fE Andrei This can be a hard work, but it's possible to add subtitles on the videos? (Or at least on the next ones). PS: There is nothing wrong with the speech, it's just for

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-11 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 5/11/13 8:41 AM, MattCoder wrote: On Friday, 10 May 2013 at 12:08:10 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPr2UspS0fE Andrei This can be a hard work, but it's possible to add subtitles on the videos? (Or at least on the next ones). PS: There is nothing

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-11 Thread MattCoder
On Saturday, 11 May 2013 at 13:29:08 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: There are speech-recognized subtitles available for English. Yes I know about those automatic translation tools, but they seem not work properly, (principally with Programming talks). In fact in some cases they can confuse

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-11 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 5/10/13, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: On 5/10/13 8:15 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote: Are we releasing one talk every couple of days? Two a week. Initially I took this as a joke, but are you serious about this? Are we going to have to wait 10 weeks for all the videos to

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-11 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Saturday, May 11, 2013 21:12:00 Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 5/10/13, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: On 5/10/13 8:15 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote: Are we releasing one talk every couple of days? Two a week. Initially I took this as a joke, but are you serious about

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-11 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 5/11/13, Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmx.com wrote: Yes. This sucks for those who didn't get the chance to go to the conference and who will definitely view all of them regardless of how quickly they're released, but it produces better PR for the language this way. I'm glad to see we have

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-11 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 5/11/13, Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmx.com wrote: and who will definitely view all of them regardless of how quickly they're released, but it produces better PR for the language this way. P.S. Public relations also encompasses relations with an existing user-base.

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-11 Thread Nick Sabalausky
On Sat, 11 May 2013 23:35:38 +0200 Andrej Mitrovic andrej.mitrov...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/11/13, Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmx.com wrote: and who will definitely view all of them regardless of how quickly they're released, but it produces better PR for the language this way. P.S.

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-11 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 5/11/13 5:35 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 5/11/13, Jonathan M Davisjmdavisp...@gmx.com wrote: and who will definitely view all of them regardless of how quickly they're released, but it produces better PR for the language this way. P.S. Public relations also encompasses relations with an

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-11 Thread Diggory
He's serious. If you post them all at once, then each video gets minimal impact. A lot of people will look at one, maybe two, and then not bother with the rest, because all of them showed up at once, whereas if they're posted over a longer period of time, then each video will have larger a

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-11 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Saturday, May 11, 2013 18:15:41 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 5/11/13 5:35 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 5/11/13, Jonathan M Davisjmdavisp...@gmx.com wrote: and who will definitely view all of them regardless of how quickly they're released, but it produces better PR for the language

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-11 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 5/11/13 5:54 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: And it does come across a bit disrespectful to those of us who wanted to go but couldn't. That I do take issue with. After the organizers and the speakers invested very significant effort in making this event happen, the basic complaint here is that

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-11 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Saturday, May 11, 2013 18:31:16 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Please think it over and exercise reason. I have no problem with the pace, but then again, I attended the conference, so watching the videos is a review. And the slower pace makes it so that I can do things like post each one to my

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-11 Thread Nick Sabalausky
On Sat, 11 May 2013 18:31:16 -0400 Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: On 5/11/13 5:54 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: And it does come across a bit disrespectful to those of us who wanted to go but couldn't. That I do take issue with. After the organizers and the

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-11 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 5/11/13 7:39 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Furthermore, my whole point was nothing more than to merely suggest that *maybe* the delay should simply be somewhat less, *not* a demand or expectation, and *not* even a suggestion that they should all be released as soon as is technically feasable.

DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-10 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPr2UspS0fE Andrei

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-10 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 5/10/13 8:08 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPr2UspS0fE Andrei Vote up! http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1e2boo/dconf_2013_day_1_talk_2_copy_and_move_semantics/ Andrei

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-10 Thread Iain Buclaw
On 10 May 2013 13:08, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.orgwrote: Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=mPr2UspS0fEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPr2UspS0fE Andrei Are we releasing one talk every couple of days? -- Iain Buclaw *(p e ? p++ : p) = (c 0x0f) + '0';

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-10 Thread David
Am 10.05.2013 14:11, schrieb Andrei Alexandrescu: On 5/10/13 8:08 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPr2UspS0fE Andrei Vote up! http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1e2boo/dconf_2013_day_1_talk_2_copy_and_move_semantics/ Andrei Onto

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-10 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 2013-05-10 14:15, Iain Buclaw wrote: Are we releasing one talk every couple of days? We want all talks right now :) -- /Jacob Carlborg

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-10 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 5/10/13 8:15 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote: On 10 May 2013 13:08, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org mailto:seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?__v=mPr2UspS0fE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPr2UspS0fE Andrei Are we

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-10 Thread Iain Buclaw
On 10 May 2013 15:38, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.orgwrote: On 5/10/13 8:15 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote: On 10 May 2013 13:08, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org mailto:SeeWebsiteForEmail@**erdani.org seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: Enjoy!

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-10 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 2013-05-10 16:38, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Two a week. Is there a reason for this? -- /Jacob Carlborg

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-10 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 5/10/13 11:24 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2013-05-10 16:38, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Two a week. Is there a reason for this? Maximize impact. Andrei

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-10 Thread SomeDude
On Friday, 10 May 2013 at 15:24:43 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2013-05-10 16:38, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Two a week. Is there a reason for this? It's good to keep people busy with D. ;) There have been way to many Go posts on reddit lately. :D

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-10 Thread Jesse Phillips
On Friday, 10 May 2013 at 12:08:10 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPr2UspS0fE Andrei These need to be updates on Kickstarter too.

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-10 Thread John Colvin
On Friday, 10 May 2013 at 12:11:16 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 5/10/13 8:08 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPr2UspS0fE Andrei Vote up! http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1e2boo/dconf_2013_day_1_talk_2_copy_and_move_semantics/ Andrei

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-10 Thread Nick Sabalausky
On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:08:09 -0400 Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPr2UspS0fE Will this be going up on archive.org, too?

Re: DConf 2013 Day 1 Talk 2: Copy and Move Semantics in D by Ali Cehreli

2013-05-10 Thread David
Am 10.05.2013 19:28, schrieb Nick Sabalausky: On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:08:09 -0400 Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPr2UspS0fE Will this be going up on archive.org, too? https://archive.org/details/dconf2013-day01-talk02

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