Re: D 1.076 and 2.061 release
On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:20:19 -0500 Matthew Caron matt.ca...@redlion.net wrote: On 01/02/2013 04:18 PM, Walter Bright wrote: Why would you need to? If your mail store is IMAP, just let it rebuild. I don't store email on the server, I store it locally. I gave that up years ago when I ended up with more than one device. Too much did I get that email on my laptop or my desktop? And now with tablet, phone, laptop, desktop, and several kiosk machines around the house (because how else do you watch Firefly whilst loading custom hunting ammunition in the gun room?) and then the device proliferation continues... Turn off Delete email from server ten seconds after downloading it. Either increase it to a sane time period, or disable delete-from-server entirely. Problem solved. Worked fine for me. Accessing *sent* messages can be a different story though, but using your email client's setting for BCC outgoing messages to... to send to a special messages I sent address works well enough. Unless you need to use some shitty Fisher-Price email client like the one in iOS, because then you're just fucked. (But if you need to rely on iOS, you'll probably have bigger problems anyway.) scp -rp ~/.thunderbird target machine will shove your whole TB directory to the new box. Doesn't work on Windows. Why not? The directory may be different, but the philosophy should still hold. Just install ssh/sshd from cygwin and you're set. (The cheekier response is stop using toy OS's. A few years ago I'd have disagreed, but after Vista, and then Win 7, and now Win 8 (ie three steaming turds in a row), I have to agree with you. I mostly liked XP, but I've been using Win7 for close to a year now and I'm just itching to be rid of this goddamn MS OSX. (And after having actually tried Win8, I have to say I could have easily mistaken it for a bad prank if I hadn't already known about it.) Windows is only suitable for playing video games, and I'm looking forward to Steam's release for Linux such that I can power on the Wintendo less and less. Steam on Linux? That's like installing hydraulics on a Formula 1 or a rusty nail in a jock strap. Nothing that involves Steam is suitable for playing videogames, whether Win/Lin or anything else. I'd be willing to *release* a game, *non-exclusively*, on steam just for the visibility and for the subset of PC gamers that are unfortunately dumb enough to think steam isn't DRM, but that's all steam is good for. Gabe can suck the shit out of my ass for destroying the last non-orwellian gaming platform in existence and essentially turning it into a goddamn iPhone.
Re: D 1.076 and 2.061 release
On Saturday, 5 January 2013 at 09:30:41 UTC, Pierre Rouleau wrote: I noticed that D 2.062 has no new features. What would it take to remove the link to New/Changed Features on that version since there are none? D 2.062 does not even exist yet, the current development version of changelog.dd just made it to http://dlang.org/changelog.html by accident. Davi
Re: D 1.076 and 2.061 release
On 13-01-04 3:55 PM, Walter Bright wrote: On 1/4/2013 12:23 PM, Pierre Rouleau wrote: On 13-01-04 2:06 PM, Walter Bright wrote: On 1/4/2013 8:59 AM, Pierre Rouleau wrote: Don't you think a process that requires reviewing these titles *before* the actual software release announcement posting would help? Of course it would. Do you wish to help? All help is welcome. I was thinking about that too. I just don't know where to start. I guess I would have to read the developers guidelines and find out about the documentation markup. What should I read first? Probably the easiest thing to start with is simply review the titles of bugzilla issues appearing in the new/changed list. You can edit them as required. OK, I'll start going through the list of D2.062 and then D 2.061. I'll take me time as I have to learn quite a bit, but you're right, and I would probably have proposed the same thing have I been in your shoes. Point taken and thanks! I noticed that D 2.062 has no new features. What would it take to remove the link to New/Changed Features on that version since there are none? /Pierre
Re: D 1.076 and 2.061 release
On 1/5/2013 1:30 AM, Pierre Rouleau wrote: I noticed that D 2.062 has no new features. What would it take to remove the link to New/Changed Features on that version since there are none? There will be.
Re: Runtime code reloading in D, part 1
On 2012-12-30 13:32, Benjamin Thaut wrote: An article about runtime code reloading in the context of game developement. A topic I'm currently working on in my spare time. I hope it holds some valuable information for everyone working with D. http://3d.benjamin-thaut.de/?p=25 This looks very cool. Question, are you manually triggering the code for generating the RTTI? BTW, have you seen this old project implementing runtime reflection: http://flectioned.kuehne.cn/ -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: Amber
On Friday, 21 December 2012 at 18:02:30 UTC, Lars Ivar Igesund
wrote:
Dear D community,
I've been urged by many others to post about Amber here. It is
a programming language being derived from D1, with a compiler
written using D1 and Tango, with LLVM and C backends. The
quality of code and documention is alpha (or pre-alpha).
Project page: https://bitbucket.org/larsivi/amber
Background:
http://www.dsource.org/projects/tango/forums/topic/920
We hold house in #amber on Freenode.
Regards,
Lars Ivar Igesund
larsivi @ #amber on Freenode
It is really great to see Amber rolling!
I think D2 could take some inspiration from Amber as Amber takes
from D2.
For example I like idea of allowing modules and packages with
same names.
As alternative to DIP16.
I wonder what issues would be with D2 if we would allow
constructions like:
std/net/http.d :
module std.net.http;
class HttpClient {}
std/net/ftp.d :
module std.net.ftp;
class FtpClient {}
std/net.d
public import std.net.http;
public import std.net.ftp;
main.d
import std.net;
auto http = new HttpClient();
etc
Or more up-to-now problem.
std/datetime/time.d
std/datetime/date.d
std/datetime.d:
module std.datetime;
public import std.datetime.time;
public import std.datetime.date;
Looks smooth for me tbh.
Re: D 1.076 and 2.061 release
Jonathan M Davis, el 4 de January a las 08:12 me escribiste: On Friday, January 04, 2013 14:30:01 Leandro Lucarella wrote: I think the best way to do it is to put it in the repository where the changes were made (this implies having separate release notes for dmd, phobos and druntime, I know). This way is trivial to see if some important change deserves a note in the release notes and if it does, for the reviewers to reject the pull request until it has proper release notes. Having them elsewhere will make the review process very difficult and lots of changes will still be missing. As part of the release process, we can merge these notes together and add them to the website. Even when doing it manually shouldn't be that time consuming (is only copypaste), this could also be automated. This is what we've been doing for ages. With the bug fixes being in there, it's been a big problem, because it creates merge conflicts up the wazoo. So, we've generally avoided updating the changelog as part of pull requests with code in them. However, now that the bugzilla portion is being automated, it may be feasible to update changelog.dd in the pull requests with code changes. I'm talking about the release notes, only few changes should need an entry on that file. -- Leandro Lucarella (AKA luca) http://llucax.com.ar/ -- GPG Key: 5F5A8D05 (F8CD F9A7 BF00 5431 4145 104C 949E BFB6 5F5A 8D05) -- Ambition makes you look pretty ugly
Re: Managing email [ was Re: D 1.076 and 2.061 release ]
On Sat, 2013-01-05 at 02:20 -0500, Nick Sabalausky wrote: […] Sounds like you must be very good at Linux. I would never have been able to do it without this guide: http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/dovecot-mysql-debian-6-squeeze I found that to be more contrived, obscure, and needlessly over-complicated than anything else I've ever had to set up on (or off) a computer. Take MySQL out of the mix and it all becomes far, far, far easier. The result is worth it, of course, but geez, what a bunch of pointless hoops. No reason I shouldn't have been able to just do something like: $ sudo apt-get install sane-email-server Then maybe answer a few simple questions, and be done with it. Dovecot and Postfix now work out of the box, but still benefit from a bit of extra configuration, which is where emacs|nano|vim is all you need apart from some careful editing of the configuration files probably with an open reference manual to check exact options and syntax. Debian actually uses Exim4 now as the default SMTP system. It also works out of the box. […] Yea. Google's Don't be evil is a complete load of self-rationalizing bullshit. I mean, christ, their whole business is based on mining/selling personal information, and then they twist and contort the web technologies themselves into whatever they see fit (people bitch when *Microsoft* tries to do it, but when Big Brother does it it's apparently ok), and then they have the audacity to pretend their mantra is Don't be evil. I hate Microsoft as much as anyone, but I'd sell my soul to MS if it got rid of companies like Google and Apple. Google is a complex beast in that it it clearly evil, money grubbing, etc. as it has to be as a company with shareholders, but it also does do a lot of community support to try and give back some. Much more so that Microsoft and Apple, both of which are just evil without any of the giving back. -- Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: C++11 - using const and mutable for thread safety [Video]
On Friday, 4 January 2013 at 19:03:14 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 1/4/2013 6:00 AM, Dmitry Olshansky wrote: 03-Jan-2013 12:39, Michal Minich пишет: Newly discovered changes in C++11 on using const and mutable for thread safety http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/C-and-Beyond-2012-Herb-Sutter-You-dont-know-blank-and-blank So now const is retrofitted as thread-safe. Again by convention. And that is true only because of a statement in std library expectations. This shift is great but just ... by convention. Looks like this channel got some updates on C++ and beyond 2012. I've found this one to be far more revealing: http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/C-and-Beyond-2012-Andrei-Alexandrescu-Systematic-Error-Handling-in-C Channel 9 has some great videos. I wish the good ones had transcripts. Usually they are better to watch then whatever might be showing on TV, but only on alone evenings. :)
Re: Managing email [ was Re: D 1.076 and 2.061 release ]
On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 13:18:07 + Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: On Sat, 2013-01-05 at 02:20 -0500, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Yea. Google's Don't be evil is a complete load of self-rationalizing bullshit. I mean, christ, their whole business is based on mining/selling personal information, and then they twist and contort the web technologies themselves into whatever they see fit (people bitch when *Microsoft* tries to do it, but when Big Brother does it it's apparently ok), and then they have the audacity to pretend their mantra is Don't be evil. I hate Microsoft as much as anyone, but I'd sell my soul to MS if it got rid of companies like Google and Apple. Google is a complex beast in that it it clearly evil, money grubbing, etc. as it has to be as a company with shareholders, Yea, I was very disappointed years ago when they announced an IPO. Prior to that, they were more or less just a fairly respectable search engine. Very unsurprisingly, that didn't last long after going public. but it also does do a lot of community support to try and give back some. Much more so that Microsoft and Apple, both of which are just evil without any of the giving back. That is a fair point. OTOH, Google (by their very nature) is dead-set on things like making sure the web gets treated as an application platform and getting people to store their personal data on Google's private cloud (a moronic and unnecessary renaming of the works hosted and internet, but that's a separate rant). I know some people may not have a problem with such things as web-as-an-OS, but I see it as doing very severe damage to the entire world of computing as a whole. Which is not offset by anything they could even possibly give back. They may see it as relieving the world from the tyranny of Windows, but really it's just exchanging one facist dictator for a nuttier, but more charismatic, one. Also I think another part of what makes Google (and Apple) so dangerous is that unlike MS, most people are still hailing them as wonderful and benevolent companies.
Re: D 1.076 and 2.061 release
D 2.062 does not even exist yet, the current development version of changelog.dd just made it to http://dlang.org/changelog.html by accident. Davi OK. Was not obvious for me when I looked at the change log. And BTW, the change log page still shows it. Is this intentional? If it is, could we not identify the build as Future/unreleased version or something similar? This is probably what a lot of people are worried about: the fact that you need t really get involved in the project to be able to use it. And the lack of consistency does not provide a good press for the project. I will try to help by updating some of the Bugzilla titles as I continue learning. /Pierre
Re: D 1.076 and 2.061 release
On 13-01-05 5:39 AM, Walter Bright wrote: On 1/5/2013 1:30 AM, Pierre Rouleau wrote: I noticed that D 2.062 has no new features. What would it take to remove the link to New/Changed Features on that version since there are none? There will be. Do you have a plan of what they will be and a target date for the next release?
Re: D 1.076 and 2.061 release
On 1/5/2013 10:06 AM, Pierre Rouleau wrote: On 13-01-05 5:39 AM, Walter Bright wrote: On 1/5/2013 1:30 AM, Pierre Rouleau wrote: I noticed that D 2.062 has no new features. What would it take to remove the link to New/Changed Features on that version since there are none? There will be. Do you have a plan of what they will be and a target date for the next release? We've never had a release that didn't have some new/changed features.
Re: D 1.076 and 2.061 release
On 13-01-05 4:01 PM, Walter Bright wrote: On 1/5/2013 10:06 AM, Pierre Rouleau wrote: On 13-01-05 5:39 AM, Walter Bright wrote: On 1/5/2013 1:30 AM, Pierre Rouleau wrote: I noticed that D 2.062 has no new features. What would it take to remove the link to New/Changed Features on that version since there are none? There will be. Do you have a plan of what they will be and a target date for the next release? We've never had a release that didn't have some new/changed features. I know. What I'm trying to see is what is the development *plan* for D2? Something that would identify the future features to be implemented and the planned targets/milestones for them. I would assume that I am not alone in watching the D language evolution, would like to get people to start using it at my work place, and would like to know what the plan is be so we can better convince other people to invest time into it. /Pierre
