Re: Blog post on calling C from Python via D
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 17:37:17 UTC, jmh530 wrote: On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 16:17:06 UTC, Panke wrote: [snip] If you had an RSS feed, I would subscribe. Wasn't there a planet D in the past? I've been subscribed on feedly without any issues. I can't recall what I actually did to subscribe as I can't seem to replicate it, but you can try https://atilaoncode.blog/feed/ Can't say for sure with other RSS readers. That works great, thanks!
Re: Blog post on calling C from Python via D
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 20:57:53 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 08:45:31PM +, Atila Neves via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 17:39:14 UTC, jmh530 wrote: > On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 14:51:06 UTC, Atila Neves > wrote: > > [snip] > > > > A lot of the comments were about how stupid I was for not > > just using ctypes or cffi. I tried today and both of them > > are horrible. As I say in the blog post below, either they > > didn't read the article (people on the internet commenting > > on things they didn't even read? Shock! Horror!) or just > > aren't lazy enough. > > > > My followup: > > > > https://atilaoncode.blog/2020/02/26/seriously-just-use-d-to-call-c-from-python/ > > I basically just ignored any of the comments about ctypes or > cffi having looked at them briefly once like 5-10 years ago > and throwing up my hands. But I also throw up my hands a lot! I didn't know anything about them last week, so I didn't think I could reply properly. After looking into them today I just shook my head a lot. It's incredible the lengths that people go to justifying their pre-existing beliefs. At this point, I don't know how to convince the masses if "nanomsg in Python in 4 lines of code" isn't enough! Perhaps a side-by-side comparison of how clean the D version would look vs how lousy the equivalent ctypes/cffi version is? Just a thought. That was exactly what I was going to do yesterday with cffi and I even started writing the code. Midway through I realised how much work it was going to be and decided that ain't nobody got time for that. Then shook my head vigorously that anyone would dare suggest this was "easy" and in any way comparable to what I'd shown to be possible.
Re: Blog post on calling C from Python via D
On 2/26/20 6:51 AM, Atila Neves wrote: My followup: https://atilaoncode.blog/2020/02/26/seriously-just-use-d-to-call-c-from-python/ Could someone please post this on Reddit and Hacker News. Thanks... Ali
Re: Blog post on calling C from Python via D
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 17:23:51 UTC, Meta wrote: On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 17:11:18 UTC, bachmeier wrote: There needs to be a variant of "mansplaining" modified for Python users. Agreed, and there also needs to be a variant of prison, modified for people who post dumb comments on Hacker News. Whatever the language, I like the "show me the code/graphs/benchmarks/disassembly/data/something/anything" approach Atila used in his blog post. When I wrote a blog post about why C const is practically useless for optimisation, I lost count of how many people smugly pointed out that const "should" go on the other side of the *, as if that made all the difference. If they actually tried it they'd see it makes zero difference because "int * const x" is even less useful for optimisation.
Re: Blog post on calling C from Python via D
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 08:45:31PM +, Atila Neves via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 17:39:14 UTC, jmh530 wrote: > > On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 14:51:06 UTC, Atila Neves wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > > > A lot of the comments were about how stupid I was for not just > > > using ctypes or cffi. I tried today and both of them are horrible. > > > As I say in the blog post below, either they didn't read the > > > article (people on the internet commenting on things they didn't > > > even read? Shock! Horror!) or just aren't lazy enough. > > > > > > My followup: > > > > > > https://atilaoncode.blog/2020/02/26/seriously-just-use-d-to-call-c-from-python/ > > > > I basically just ignored any of the comments about ctypes or cffi > > having looked at them briefly once like 5-10 years ago and throwing > > up my hands. But I also throw up my hands a lot! > > I didn't know anything about them last week, so I didn't think I could > reply properly. After looking into them today I just shook my head a > lot. It's incredible the lengths that people go to justifying their > pre-existing beliefs. At this point, I don't know how to convince the > masses if "nanomsg in Python in 4 lines of code" isn't enough! Perhaps a side-by-side comparison of how clean the D version would look vs how lousy the equivalent ctypes/cffi version is? Just a thought. T -- If it tastes good, it's probably bad for you.
Re: Blog post on calling C from Python via D
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 17:39:14 UTC, jmh530 wrote: On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 14:51:06 UTC, Atila Neves wrote: [snip] A lot of the comments were about how stupid I was for not just using ctypes or cffi. I tried today and both of them are horrible. As I say in the blog post below, either they didn't read the article (people on the internet commenting on things they didn't even read? Shock! Horror!) or just aren't lazy enough. My followup: https://atilaoncode.blog/2020/02/26/seriously-just-use-d-to-call-c-from-python/ I basically just ignored any of the comments about ctypes or cffi having looked at them briefly once like 5-10 years ago and throwing up my hands. But I also throw up my hands a lot! I didn't know anything about them last week, so I didn't think I could reply properly. After looking into them today I just shook my head a lot. It's incredible the lengths that people go to justifying their pre-existing beliefs. At this point, I don't know how to convince the masses if "nanomsg in Python in 4 lines of code" isn't enough!
Re: Blog post on calling C from Python via D
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 16:17:06 UTC, Panke wrote: [snip] If you had an RSS feed, I would subscribe. Wasn't there a planet D in the past? I've been subscribed on feedly without any issues. I can't recall what I actually did to subscribe as I can't seem to replicate it, but you can try https://atilaoncode.blog/feed/ Can't say for sure with other RSS readers.
Re: Blog post on calling C from Python via D
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 14:51:06 UTC, Atila Neves wrote: [snip] A lot of the comments were about how stupid I was for not just using ctypes or cffi. I tried today and both of them are horrible. As I say in the blog post below, either they didn't read the article (people on the internet commenting on things they didn't even read? Shock! Horror!) or just aren't lazy enough. My followup: https://atilaoncode.blog/2020/02/26/seriously-just-use-d-to-call-c-from-python/ I basically just ignored any of the comments about ctypes or cffi having looked at them briefly once like 5-10 years ago and throwing up my hands. But I also throw up my hands a lot!
Re: Blog post on calling C from Python via D
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 17:11:18 UTC, bachmeier wrote: There needs to be a variant of "mansplaining" modified for Python users. Agreed, and there also needs to be a variant of prison, modified for people who post dumb comments on Hacker News.
Re: Blog post on calling C from Python via D
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 14:51:06 UTC, Atila Neves wrote: On Wednesday, 19 February 2020 at 16:30:04 UTC, Atila Neves wrote: https://atilaoncode.blog/2020/02/19/want-to-call-c-from-python-use-d/ Discussion elsewhere: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/f6agvt/want_to_call_c_from_python_use_d/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22365166 A lot of the comments were about how stupid I was for not just using ctypes or cffi. I tried today and both of them are horrible. As I say in the blog post below, either they didn't read the article (people on the internet commenting on things they didn't even read? Shock! Horror!) or just aren't lazy enough. My followup: https://atilaoncode.blog/2020/02/26/seriously-just-use-d-to-call-c-from-python/ There needs to be a variant of "mansplaining" modified for Python users.
Re: Blog post on calling C from Python via D
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 16:17:06 UTC, Panke wrote: On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 14:51:06 UTC, Atila Neves wrote: [...] Very good read. I my opinion your work with integrating different languages with D is the most exciting stuff going on in the moment. If you had an RSS feed, I would subscribe. Wasn't there a planet D in the past? Thanks! I guess you could either follow me on github, the blog itself, or Twitter.
Re: Blog post on calling C from Python via D
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 14:51:06 UTC, Atila Neves wrote: On Wednesday, 19 February 2020 at 16:30:04 UTC, Atila Neves wrote: https://atilaoncode.blog/2020/02/19/want-to-call-c-from-python-use-d/ Discussion elsewhere: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/f6agvt/want_to_call_c_from_python_use_d/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22365166 A lot of the comments were about how stupid I was for not just using ctypes or cffi. I tried today and both of them are horrible. As I say in the blog post below, either they didn't read the article (people on the internet commenting on things they didn't even read? Shock! Horror!) or just aren't lazy enough. My followup: https://atilaoncode.blog/2020/02/26/seriously-just-use-d-to-call-c-from-python/ Very good read. I my opinion your work with integrating different languages with D is the most exciting stuff going on in the moment. If you had an RSS feed, I would subscribe. Wasn't there a planet D in the past?
Re: Blog post on calling C from Python via D
On Wednesday, 19 February 2020 at 16:30:04 UTC, Atila Neves wrote: https://atilaoncode.blog/2020/02/19/want-to-call-c-from-python-use-d/ Discussion elsewhere: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/f6agvt/want_to_call_c_from_python_use_d/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22365166 A lot of the comments were about how stupid I was for not just using ctypes or cffi. I tried today and both of them are horrible. As I say in the blog post below, either they didn't read the article (people on the internet commenting on things they didn't even read? Shock! Horror!) or just aren't lazy enough. My followup: https://atilaoncode.blog/2020/02/26/seriously-just-use-d-to-call-c-from-python/
Re: Blog post on calling C from Python via D
On Wednesday, 19 February 2020 at 16:30:04 UTC, Atila Neves wrote: https://atilaoncode.blog/2020/02/19/want-to-call-c-from-python-use-d/ Discussion elsewhere: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/f6agvt/want_to_call_c_from_python_use_d/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22365166 let's do it for c++ ;-)
Re: Blog post on calling C from Python via D
Looking forward to your success there! On 2/21/2020 3:52 PM, stewart wrote: This is great! I've been pushing D in my workplace, which is full of Python programmers and this is another good example I can use showing why D rocks. I'm going to introduce this and then push hard the line "Now you have D in the build mix why bother with C and Python at all?" Thanks, Stew
Re: Blog post on calling C from Python via D
On Wednesday, 19 February 2020 at 16:30:04 UTC, Atila Neves wrote: https://atilaoncode.blog/2020/02/19/want-to-call-c-from-python-use-d/ Discussion elsewhere: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/f6agvt/want_to_call_c_from_python_use_d/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22365166 This is great! I've been pushing D in my workplace, which is full of Python programmers and this is another good example I can use showing why D rocks. I'm going to introduce this and then push hard the line "Now you have D in the build mix why bother with C and Python at all?" Thanks, Stew
Re: Blog post on calling C from Python via D
On 2/19/20 8:30 AM, Atila Neves wrote: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22365166 Awesome! And thanks for linking directly to the article on ycombinator. If they're still penalizing articles for direct links, they should realize already that links are a thing on the internet. Ali
