Re: [digitalradio] Re: Busy Detectors

2007-09-19 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Jim, You really must be making a tongue in check joking reply here, that is the only way that I can take such a reply as the Amateur Radio bands have been broken down into specific use for decades and ever changing. I can NOT go down to 14.004Mhz and make a SSB contact as it is dedicated

[digitalradio] Re: Busy Detectors

2007-09-19 Thread jgorman01
Let me point out that you are not talking about co-channel interference to your signal. You are discussing interference to your ability to use the spectrum. Two entirely different subjects. Using your example, there is only one lane and that is all there will ever be, just like the amateur

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Busy Detectors

2007-09-19 Thread Robert Thompson
I was not claiming that SCAMP *did* violate; I just had no information. Given that SCAMP didn't directly link to or modify any GPL code, the following is slightly off-topic... By the way, a very good resource for what the GPL *really* does and does not mean is at http://www.gnu.org/licenses/ .

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Busy Detectors

2007-09-19 Thread Robert Thompson
My comments are interspersed. On 9/18/07, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My comments interspersed with Mr. Thompsons - - - - - The complete SCAMP specification is available and will be released under the GPL as a blueprint for client developers to insure compatibility across different

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Busy Detectors

2007-09-19 Thread Rick
To the best of my recollection, any signals within the passband would prevent a transmission. Even fleeting ones like voice SSB, but it was not as affected by wide band noise as much, even static crashes. I don't know if it was more than what you ask, but I will say that most reasonable hams

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Busy Detectors

2007-09-19 Thread Robert Thompson
I'm glad to hear that. It sounds like it's implemented the obvious way, and thus should be very easy to duplicate. I'll try to set up a test harness and see whether I can duplicate its functionality. If I do, I'll report success here. On 9/19/07, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the best of my

[digitalradio] Re: Busy Detectors

2007-09-19 Thread Dave Bernstein
AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The issue is that if a human is involved, at worst everyone shrugs and figures he's an impolite operator. If a human is involved one can send the frequency is in use, please QSY. Most of

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-19 Thread Robert Thompson
I think the basic ALE multitone waveform is always x3, although there are others much more expert than I on this list. Note that if FEC is being used, the 375 bps would be the raw rate, not the end-to-end throughput rate. On 9/19/07, Demetre SV1UY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-19 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the basic ALE multitone waveform is always x3, although there are others much more expert than I on this list. Note that if FEC is being used, the 375 bps would be the raw rate, not the end-to-end throughput

Re: [digitalradio] [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-19 Thread Steinar Aanesland
Hi Patrick and Demeter. Is it possible to do the test later Thursday evening? I have to take care of some personal business. I will be Qrv from 1830 UTC Thursday. 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Patrick Lindecker skrev: Hello Steinar and Demeter, I will call CQ ARQ FAE Thursday evening at

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-19 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello Demeter, At the end of this message you have the main data for ARQ FAE. As you can see for a rough speed of 184 wpm (corresponding to 147 bits/sec from an initial theoritical speed of 375 bits/sec) you have a useful speed (due to acknowlegments) of only 125 wpm in unilateral (equivalent

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-19 Thread Rick
The 8FSK125 mode is quite an old mode now and from what I have been reading, commercial/government will eventually move away from that particular waveform in order to standardize on the other newer designs. Because it has one tone that frequency shifts to 8 locations at the rate of 125 baud so

Re: [digitalradio] [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-19 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello Steinar, OK for 18h30 to 19h00 UTC to-morrow evening. Note: you must have a stable frequency to avoid drift (in ALE you are supposed to have a fixed frequency), so one hour of working before the QSO will be good. 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: Steinar Aanesland

Re: [digitalradio] Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-19 Thread Robert Thompson
Depends; Shannon's theorem gives three variables: bitrate, modulation width, minimum workable noise level. You can get extreme bitrates in narrow channels, but only if you're willing to accept really large minimum SNRs. There is a pretty good paper that analyzes BPL in terms of the Shannon

[digitalradio] re: ARQ FAE

2007-09-19 Thread Demetre Valaris - SV1UY
Hello Steinar, OK for 18h30 to 19h00 UTC to-morrow evening. Note: you must have a stable frequency to avoid drift (in ALE you are supposed to have a fixed frequency), so one hour of working before the QSO will be ? good. 73 Patrick Hi Patrick and Steinar, OK about the test today Thursday

RE: [digitalradio] re: ARQ FAE

2007-09-19 Thread Rud Merriam
Demetre, I am adding some material on Shannon-Hartley to The Ham Network Wiki (http://thehamnetwork.net/wiki/#Shannon-Hartley). I have been working the formula in Excel by duplicating the charts from my bibliography references. Based on that work I am pretty confident in saying that to attain