Re: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question

2010-02-18 Thread Andy obrien
but.. I think the original question also asked about modes other than PSK31, what about them?JT65A, for example is not a mode that once has to watch ALC so much. Does anyone have a good easy to understand description of why ? Andy On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:42 PM, DANNY DOUGLAS

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question

2010-02-18 Thread Rick Westerfield
As I think I understand it, JT65 and it's varients are all very slowly modulated which makes the waveform extremely robust. ALC, noise, flutter, Doppler shift and intersymbol interference all have a very tough time making much of an impact on such an incredibly rugged signal as JT65. But this

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question

2010-02-18 Thread Simon HB9DRV
A rough and ready explanation could be that modes which rely on phase are degraded when you compress the TX signal (ALC displayed) - for phase modes you must transmit a 100% clean signal, much more important then signal strength. Simon Brown, HB9DRV http://sdr-radio.com From:

[digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question

2010-02-18 Thread sholtofish
Following on from this thread and reading some of Peter's comments makes me wonder what method is best for 300 baud HF packet with a TNC? FSK or AFSK? Or won't it make any difference? Will FSK result in a wider bandwidth? 73 Sholto K7TMG

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question

2010-02-18 Thread Dave Ackrill
sholtofish wrote: Following on from this thread and reading some of Peter's comments makes me wonder what method is best for 300 baud HF packet with a TNC? FSK or AFSK? Or won't it make any difference? Will FSK result in a wider bandwidth? The main advantage of FSK, so I am led to believe,

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question

2010-02-18 Thread Rotten Robbie
- Original Message - From: Dave Ackrill dave.g0...@tiscali.co.uk To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question sholtofish wrote: Following on from this thread and reading some of Peter's comments makes me

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question

2010-02-18 Thread Mark W
DOUGLAS Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:42 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question To bypass all the technical stuff: just listen to the PSK bands and watch for single stations which show up across the waterfall in numerous places

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question

2010-02-18 Thread DANNY DOUGLAS
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:09 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question I ran into this. I sent the operator a nice email. He explained that the problem was on my end because his sig was overloading my receiver. He seemed to know more than

[digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question

2010-02-18 Thread ed_hekman
Wes, Welcome to the digital modes. 1967 was a good year - I was also first licensed in '67. This web site has some interesting information about digital modes. http://f1ult.free.fr/DIGIMODES/MULTIPSK/digimodesF6CTE_en An important parameter is the mean/peak power ratio for each of the modes.

[digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question

2010-02-18 Thread ed_hekman
I forgot to mention... I feel a little guilty when running 50 watts on PSK31 now. In the past 6 months I have logged over 50 QSOs including Japan and Europe (both 5000 miles) with less than 1 watt. It takes a little more patience but it has been a real eye-opener to discover what can be

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question

2010-02-18 Thread Mark W
: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:31 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question Malarkey, unless you are next door to him. If ALL signals are doing so, then maybe it is your receiver, but I much doubt it. You can listen to 14.069 for instance

[digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question

2010-02-17 Thread obrienaj
Welcome to the group, Wes. That is an interesting question, I look forward to seeing other answers. My answer is rather vague and generalized . I'm going to argue that reduced power is not really the issue, but that reduced power is often associated with no ALC which most point out is a key

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question

2010-02-17 Thread Toby Burnett
See Wes I knew someone much more technicly minded would come up with a wealth of information. Lol Good job Andy Toby mm0tob ---Original Message--- From: obrienaj Date: 18/02/2010 00:47:16 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question

2010-02-17 Thread DANNY DOUGLAS
: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Introduction and question See Wes I knew someone much more technicly minded would come up with a wealth of information. Lol Good job Andy Toby mm0tob ---Original Message--- From