[digitalradio] Re:All Channels are Busy Channels? Free Decoding Rights?

2006-06-23 Thread Dave Bernstein
You're right, Kevin, I should have said "many" instead of "most". The point still stands: at any point in time, not everyone has the equipment on hand to demodulate every mode. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Kevin O'Rorke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dave Bern

Re: [digitalradio] Re:All Channels are Busy Channels? Free Decoding Rights?

2006-06-23 Thread Kevin O'Rorke
Dave Bernstein wrote: > This seems like a slippery slope, Doc. > > Should the FCC have disallowed SSB because when it was first > introduced, most hams didn't have SSB demodulators and thus couldn't > self-police? > > . > > In those days most ham receivers had a BFO and by using that, ssb could

[digitalradio] Re:All Channels are Busy Channels? Free Decoding Rights?

2006-06-23 Thread Dave Bernstein
This seems like a slippery slope, Doc. Should the FCC have disallowed SSB because when it was first introduced, most hams didn't have SSB demodulators and thus couldn't self-police? Demodulators for soundcard-based digital modes aren't free; they require a PC, a soundcard, and a receiver. Cons

Re: [digitalradio] Re:All Channels are Busy Channels? Free Decoding Rights?

2006-06-23 Thread kd4e
> Secondly, you certainly do have the right to decode PactorIII if you > wish, but there is no godgiven right for you to get a free modem. > What makes you think you have the "right" to get something for nothing > (albeit many hams have been acustomed to it with many soundcard digis)? It is my vi

Re: [digitalradio] Re:All Channels are Busy Channels? Free Decoding Rights?

2006-06-22 Thread Bill Turner
ORIGINAL MESSAGE: At 01:04 PM 6/22/2006, mulveyraa2 wrote: >I suggest that you learn how "white noise" is defined. The >examples I cited above are NOT white noise sources. *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** You're nit-picking Rich. For amateur radio purposes, those are indeed white noise

[digitalradio] Re:All Channels are Busy Channels? Free Decoding Rights?

2006-06-22 Thread mulveyraa2
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Bill Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ORIGINAL MESSAGE: > > At 10:13 AM 6/22/2006, mulveyraa2 wrote: > > >So your "busy detector" would not allow transmissions on the HF > >bands in the presence of static crashes, localized QRM from dimmers > >switches, m

Re: [digitalradio] Re:All Channels are Busy Channels? Free Decoding Rights?

2006-06-22 Thread Bill Turner
ORIGINAL MESSAGE: At 10:13 AM 6/22/2006, mulveyraa2 wrote: >So your "busy detector" would not allow transmissions on the HF >bands in the presence of static crashes, localized QRM from dimmers >switches, motors, electric fence chargers, faulty power line >insulators... does that seem like an effe

[digitalradio] Re:All Channels are Busy Channels? Free Decoding Rights?

2006-06-22 Thread Dave Bernstein
Yes, there are some forms of QRM that will confuse a busy frequency detector. When that's the case, the frequency is often not usable anyway, so the "false positive" is actually helpful. And when the situation is uncertain, good amateur practice would lead one to QSY than risk QRMing an ongoing

Re: [digitalradio] Re:All Channels are Busy Channels? Free Decoding Rights?

2006-06-22 Thread KV9U
Nothing is 100%, including human ability to determine if the frequency is busy. SCAMP's busy detector exceeds human ability (OK, at least my ability) based upon my beta testing of the software. It can detect solid carriers, even if very weak, therefore a timer might be used in case of spurious

[digitalradio] Re:All Channels are Busy Channels? Free Decoding Rights?

2006-06-22 Thread mulveyraa2
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Bill Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ORIGINAL MESSAGE: > > At 08:57 AM 6/22/2006, mulveyraa2 wrote: > > >The software would need to be able to determine whether any of > >*dozens* of possible signals are present in the passband. In the case > >of some of

Re: [digitalradio] Re:All Channels are Busy Channels? Free Decoding Rights?

2006-06-22 Thread Bill Turner
ORIGINAL MESSAGE: At 08:57 AM 6/22/2006, mulveyraa2 wrote: >The software would need to be able to determine whether any of >*dozens* of possible signals are present in the passband. In the case >of some of the more exotic ( and even less exotic modes ), it needs to >try to decode multiple bandwid

[digitalradio] Re:All Channels are Busy Channels? Free Decoding Rights?

2006-06-22 Thread Dave Bernstein
You are mistaken. SCAMP's inability to work with weak signals involved data transfer, not busy signal detection. Yes, SCAMP could only detect a limited set of modes: SSB, CW, PSK, RTTY, PACTOR, and several other digital modes -- we estimated about 80% of the modes then in active use! Assuming

[digitalradio] Re:All Channels are Busy Channels? Free Decoding Rights?

2006-06-22 Thread mulveyraa2
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The simple rebuttal to this post is "its already been done". SCAMP > demonstrated a highly-effective busy frequency detector running on a > PC and soundcard more than a year ago. > > OK, now you're verging

[digitalradio] Re:All Channels are Busy Channels? Free Decoding Rights?

2006-06-22 Thread Dave Bernstein
The simple rebuttal to this post is "its already been done". SCAMP demonstrated a highly-effective busy frequency detector running on a PC and soundcard more than a year ago. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "mulveyraa2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In digita

[digitalradio] Re:All Channels are Busy Channels? Free Decoding Rights?

2006-06-22 Thread mulveyraa2
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Bill Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ORIGINAL MESSAGE: > > At 01:41 AM 6/22/2006, expeditionradio wrote: > > >I can sit here and decode and participate in an Olivia 500/16 > >QSO on 20meters that I cannot hear by ear and I cannot see any signal > >on the

[digitalradio] Re:All Channels are Busy Channels? Free Decoding Rights?

2006-06-22 Thread Dave Bernstein
Bonnie, the requirement for an effective busy frequency detector is not "detection of any signal with 100% accuracy", but rather "detection of any signal with accuracy at least as good as that of a human operator". Both SCAMP and your own message below demonstrate that busy frequency detectors

Re: [digitalradio] Re:All Channels are Busy Channels? Free Decoding Rights?

2006-06-22 Thread Bill Turner
ORIGINAL MESSAGE: At 01:41 AM 6/22/2006, expeditionradio wrote: >I can sit here and decode and participate in an Olivia 500/16 >QSO on 20meters that I cannot hear by ear and I cannot see any signal >on the waterfall. Is that frequency "busy"? *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** Of course it

[digitalradio] Re:All Channels are Busy Channels? Free Decoding Rights?

2006-06-22 Thread expeditionradio
>< > SCS gives away the modems at cost or for free? News to me. > Can I use a soundcard program to detect it and monitor it, > as I should be able to do as a licensed amateur? No, it is > not open to the public. Will West Mountain Radio, MFJ, or > some other company start selling a more reasonab