Re: [Discuss] What Happens when a cloud service shuts down

2012-01-21 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 01/20/2012 07:14 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: Maybe I'm late to the IT party, but how do you mean that it's going back to the way it used to be? I've never really experienced (that I In the old-old days, only the largest institutions could afford computers. Smaller organizations leased time

Re: [Discuss] What Happens when a cloud service shuts down

2012-01-21 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Daniel C. Could someone explain to me what exactly the buzzword cloud computing means, exactly? Cloud computing is just the scalable externally hosted offering of any service

Re: [Discuss] What Happens when a cloud service shuts down

2012-01-21 Thread Bill Horne
On 1/20/2012 4:01 PM, Daniel C. wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Jerry Feldmang...@blu.org wrote: Theoretically, a cloud is a virtual storage device where the actual storage media should be in several different locations fully mirrored. I understand the value of backups, and I

Re: [Discuss] What Happens when a cloud service shuts down

2012-01-21 Thread Richard Pieri
On Jan 21, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Bill Horne wrote: someone (and I apologize if this is OT to the thread) explain to me what exactly the buzzword cloud computing means, exactly? I'd like to see that explanation myself. To put it in very charged terms, cloud computing is outsourcing hardware

Re: [Discuss] What Happens when a cloud service shuts down

2012-01-21 Thread Bill Horne
On 1/20/2012 4:34 PM, Bill Bogstad wrote: I see cloud as inherently implying leasing/renting access to other peoples' equipment. In some sense, it is an extension of outsourcing. Except you may only outsource pieces of a long chain of steps rather then the entire system and there is an

[Discuss] Programming vs Engineering

2012-01-21 Thread Mark Woodward
http://www.mohawksoft.org/?q=node/86 Does anyone have any comment? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

Re: [Discuss] Programming vs Engineering

2012-01-21 Thread john saylor
hello world! On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 13:39, Mark Woodward ma...@mohawksoft.com wrote: http://www.mohawksoft.org/?q=node/86 i understand the point, but i think it gets back to just using the most talented people you can find. then again, i'm not one to focus on labels too much ... a rose by any

Re: [Discuss] What Happens when a cloud service shuts down

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel C.
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Bill Horne b...@horne.net wrote: I think it's a way of saying I hired someone else to do it, with specifics left to the imagination of whomever hears the statement.  For practical purposes, it's a way of saying Don't hold me accountable for any mistakes made

Re: [Discuss] Programming vs Engineering

2012-01-21 Thread Guy Gold
Allow me to join your rant Richard, with minor adjustments. Yes, undoubtedly the word Engineer is easily and cheaply used in the software and IT world, but some folks in the software world do justify the title. People that take nothing, or close to nothing and make a working system out if it .

Re: [Discuss] What Happens when a cloud service shuts down

2012-01-21 Thread Guy Gold
On 01/20/2012 02:35 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: your data (or your car) would be held hostage. Greetings Jerry, list members. Most of the responses were about cloud services for the corporate, where in that case (hopefully ) there is some real technical consideration of the what-ifs. for the

Re: [Discuss] Programming vs Engineering

2012-01-21 Thread Richard Pieri
On Jan 21, 2012, at 7:08 PM, Guy Gold wrote: Allow me to join your rant Richard, with minor adjustments. Yes, undoubtedly the word Engineer is easily and cheaply used in the software and IT world, but some folks in the software world do justify the title. Well, no, I don't agree. I'm not

Re: [Discuss] Programming vs Engineering

2012-01-21 Thread Richard Pieri
Case in point, this article that just came down through Slashdot: http://www.digitalbond.com/2012/01/19/project-basecamp-at-s4/ Imagine a highway or building or train or airliner being designed and constructed to the same standards that these SCADA systems were made. Take it another step:

Re: [Discuss] Programming vs Engineering

2012-01-21 Thread Jared Carlson
Come on guys... I have an ME and have done software engineering as well as analysis for DoD, etc..  There's a place for both, you need professional engineers who understand guidelines and procedures, etc, but you also need the theoretical who are pushing boundaries, teaching the limiting cases