Rich Braun wrote:
>> Service & Support Details: Limited warranty - 2 years
>
> Well, that leaves me far more confused than before. Couldn't they have pulled
> a carton of drives from inventory and /look/ at the the box label that I
> reported?
>
> What would you do?
I don't remember if Seagate
Regarding my warranty-period encounter with a Seagate drive purchased this
week from TigerDirect, I had remarkable exchange with customer service:
From: ri...@pioneer.ci.net
> Your website page for this product (Seagate 3TB drive) makes
> a false claim. Please revise the manufacturer's warranty s
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:28:17 -0500
Dan Ritter wrote:
> I do not recommend the purchase of WD Greens based on experience
> with 10>n>20 disks that had a 70% early mortality in my servers
> that was not evinced from other brands or makes of spinning
> disks.
I think you mean 10n>20" means you had
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:52:42 -0600
Derek Martin wrote:
> I've pointed out several times in this thread that it's unlikely that
> using GPL for Kerberos would have made any difference [snip]
It wouldn't, because Microsoft did in fact write their own proprietary
implementation of the Kerberos v5 p
Rich Braun wrote:
> After last month's Intel CedarView driver debacle, and at Tom's
> suggestion to dig through the MythTV forum for comments about
> graphic cards, I chose a new system.
>
> The product I chose is the Zotac Zbox ID80... I got the system
> up and running...in about 30-40 minutes of
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 08:47:41AM -0500, Mark Woodward wrote:
> On 01/09/2013 07:39 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote:
> >This is not a freedom of denying freedom. It does not deny any
> >freedom - Any 3rd party recipient of the non-free software can
> >still obtain the free software.
>
> Think
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 04:17:33PM -0500, Rich Pieri wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:53:45 -0500
> Dan Ritter wrote:
>
> > Possibly, but other disks have worked well and lasted to more
> > expected lifetimes, including Samsung, Seagate and WD Black.
>
> WD Greens don't suffer 70% failure rates a
Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
> ...where do you draw the line, for a "derivative work?" Static
> linking? VMDK files? Laptops?
Not that anyone is still following this thread, but...I believe the
answer, per the spirit of the GPL, if not the letter, is that if the GPL
portions of the released work ca
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:53:45 -0500
Dan Ritter wrote:
> Possibly, but other disks have worked well and lasted to more
> expected lifetimes, including Samsung, Seagate and WD Black.
WD Greens don't suffer 70% failure rates after 1 year of service. That
your handful did suggests that you have a sys
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 03:43:07PM -0500, Rich Pieri wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:32:35 -0500
> Dan Ritter wrote:
>
> > I have an inordinately high failure rate with WD Green in the 1 and 2
> > TB sizes. About 70% were replaced in their first year, about 50% have
> > been replaced a second tim
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:32:35 -0500
Dan Ritter wrote:
> I have an inordinately high failure rate with WD Green in the 1 and 2
> TB sizes. About 70% were replaced in their first year, about 50% have
> been replaced a second time. All were in Linux boxes.
My bet is that you have a "noisy" chassis.
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 11:33:50PM -0800, Rich Braun wrote:
> electric power: I'm measuring 29 watts idle, 33 watts during TV playback. If
> only one could make the Shuttle product work (with the D2700's internal GPU),
Did you check the nvidia settings for the GPU clock ? Usually you can
choose b
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 02:20:40PM -0500, Daniel Feenberg wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2013, Dan Ritter wrote:
>
> >On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 11:17:11AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote:
> >>Of course, when I bought the drives warranties were 3 or 5 years, not
> >>the '1 or 2' years they are now. So I'm l
On 01/10/2013 10:52 AM, Rich Pieri wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:24:46 -0500
> Mark Woodward wrote:
>
>> There is no conflation, the two are very much related. Please explain
>> how "rights" are different than "freedoms" in a way that describing
>> freedoms as rights is improper. A freedom is
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013, Dan Ritter wrote:
On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 11:17:11AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote:
Of course, when I bought the drives warranties were 3 or 5 years, not
the '1 or 2' years they are now. So I'm looking for the "best value"
2TB drives available today -- lowest price for highes
On 01/09/2013 11:43 AM, Rich Pieri wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 05:21:09 -0500
> John Abreau wrote:
>
>> Under democracy, citizens are prohibited from seizing power by force
>> and imposing a military dictatorship on their fellow citizens. Under
>> anarchy, citizens are not so prohibited.
> This na
On 01/10/2013 09:41 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote:
>> From: John Abreau [mailto:abre...@gmail.com]
>>
>> Another silly claim. The FSF cannot sue Joe on behalf of the copyright
>> holder.
>> The FSF can only sue if the copyright was assigned to the FSF.
>>
>> The FSF would not be entitled to su
> From: Bill Bogstad [mailto:bogs...@pobox.com]
>
> You also keep implying that there are substantial financial benefits
> received by people/entities who attempt to enforce free software
> licenses. I would request that you provide some evidence of this.
> I'm not saying they didn't make some m
"Rich Braun" writes:
> After last month's Intel CedarView driver debacle, and at Tom's suggestion to
> dig through the MythTV forum for comments about graphic cards, I chose a new
> system. The MythTV forums are relatively quiet on this topic, so I had to
> make an educated guess.
>
> The produc
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:54:24 -0500
Gordon Marx wrote:
> I said good day!
Well played, sir. Well played.
--
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On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Rich Pieri wrote:
> A right is an idea defined by law or common consensus. Freedom is the
> state of being without restriction or duress. Right and freedom are
> related but they are not synonymous.
Everyone has the right to blather at each other on the list, bea
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:24:46 -0500
Mark Woodward wrote:
> There is no conflation, the two are very much related. Please explain
> how "rights" are different than "freedoms" in a way that describing
> freedoms as rights is improper. A freedom is typically a right.
A right is an idea defined by
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
wrote:
>> From: John Abreau [mailto:abre...@gmail.com]
>>
>> Another silly claim. The FSF cannot sue Joe on behalf of the copyright
>> holder.
>> The FSF can only sue if the copyright was assigned to the FSF.
>>
>> The FSF would not be enti
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:15:15 +
"Edward Ned Harvey (blu)" wrote:
> In my opinion, the answer to this question is No:
> Unless the copyright holder assigns the FSF the right to sue on
> behalf of them,
No third party has the right or privilege to pursue copyright
litigation. Cf. the outcome of
> From: Mark Woodward [mailto:ma...@mohawksoft.com]
>
> What gives you the
> moral or ethical right to create a non-free product with that free
> software you got for free?
What gives me the right to use a free product, such as vi or emacs, to write
non-free software?
The answer is of course,
> From: John Abreau [mailto:abre...@gmail.com]
>
> Another silly claim. The FSF cannot sue Joe on behalf of the copyright holder.
> The FSF can only sue if the copyright was assigned to the FSF.
>
> The FSF would not be entitled to sue Joe Schmoe unless Joe Schmoe violated
> the license on someth
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
wrote:
>> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss-
>> bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Edward Ned Harvey
>>
>> Should the FSF feel compelled to go sue GitHub? And should they be
>> entitled to any sett
> From: Mark Woodward [mailto:ma...@mohawksoft.com]
>
> Think about what happened to Kerberos under the MIT license. You always
> ignore this point in your replies and this is a fundamental point in the
> debate.
Some people wrote some software and made it available for free. Some other
people
> From: j...@gapps.blu.org [mailto:j...@gapps.blu.org] On Behalf Of John
> Abreau
>
> You've repeatedly said that GPL is "less free".
Uhmmm Yes, but ...
> You've argued that the GPL
> "should" do things that it doesn't do,
Disagree. See below.
> > Should the FSF feel compelled to go
Another silly claim. The FSF cannot sue Joe on behalf of the copyright
holder. The FSF can only sue if the copyright was assigned to the FSF.
The FSF would not be entitled to sue Joe Schmoe unless Joe Schmoe violated
the license on something for which the FSF held the copyright.
On Thu, Jan 10,
On 01/09/2013 07:39 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote:
From: Mark Woodward [mailto:ma...@mohawksoft.com]
The freedom to deny freedom is NOT a freedom. By combining the FREE
software with NON-FREE software you can create NON-FREE software. This
does not protect FREE software.
This is not a freed
You've repeatedly said that GPL is "less free". You've argued that the GPL
"should" do things that it doesn't do, such as
> Should the FSF feel compelled to go sue GitHub?
> if you distribute laptops or servers that have a mixture of pre-installed
GPL and non-GPL binaries, that is also a violatio
On 01/09/2013 12:09 PM, Rich Pieri wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 11:57:37 -0500
Mark Woodward wrote:
That largely depends on your view of society as a whole. Totally
unrestrained "freedom" is not possible in populations greater than
1. Oliver Wendel Holmes, Jr quipped "The right to swing my fists
> From: John Abreau [mailto:abre...@gmail.com]
>
> Describe a bunch of things that the GPL
> doesn't do, assert that the GPL *should* do those things,
Name anything I said that even remotely fits that description.
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> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss-
> bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Edward Ned Harvey
>
> Should the FSF feel compelled to go sue GitHub? And should they be
> entitled to any settlement they extort out of GitHub?
In my opinion, the answer to this
On 01/09/2013 04:54 PM, Tom Metro wrote:
> Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
>> Matthew Gillen wrote:
>>> Another option:
>>> http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/01/satellite-internet-15mbps-no-matter-where-you-live-in-the-us/
>> ...latency is about a half a second.
>>
>> They say that's not good enough f
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