Re: [Discuss] NAS: encryption

2015-07-04 Thread Tom Metro
Rich Braun wrote: I have two other requirements that at least until now have favored build rather than buy: encryption at rest... Good point. Thanks for the reminder. I imagine it would be challenging to pull off encryption well with appliance hardware. The first problem is getting the

Re: [Discuss] NAS: distributed file systems

2015-07-04 Thread F. O. Ozbek
On 07/04/2015 12:07 PM, Tom Metro wrote: F. O. Ozbek wrote: You can use moosefs to essentially do what Isilon does at a fraction of the price. https://moosefs.com/ Thanks for the reminder of MooseFS. I've ran across it before. There are a bunch like it. They tend to be either very

Re: [Discuss] NAS: distributed file systems

2015-07-04 Thread F. O. Ozbek
On 07/04/2015 12:07 PM, Tom Metro wrote: F. O. Ozbek wrote: You can use moosefs to essentially do what Isilon does at a fraction of the price. https://moosefs.com/ Thanks for the reminder of MooseFS. I've ran across it before. There are a bunch like it. They tend to be either very

Re: [Discuss] NAS: buy vs. buil

2015-07-04 Thread Mike Small
On Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 09:06:46AM -0500, Rich Braun wrote: In the future I'd like to have replication to cloud systems I manage myself, once the price of cloud servers comes down and fiber-optic gigabit Internet comes to my house. Hopefully I don't have to move to Korea where you can already

Re: [Discuss] NAS: buy vs. buil

2015-07-04 Thread F. O. Ozbek
On 07/04/2015 10:06 AM, Rich Braun wrote: I have two other requirements that at least until now have favored build rather than buy: encryption at rest and incremental upgradability. By the latter, I mean being able to expand storage by adding or replacing one or more of the drives vs.

Re: [Discuss] NAS: buy vs. build

2015-07-04 Thread Bill Ricker
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:38 AM, F. O. Ozbek oz...@gmx.com wrote: Didn't IBM leave the hardware business entirely (including the servers last year)? You probably purchased Lenovo servers labeled as IBM servers. If Intel architecture, yes. They were doing the off-shore builds prior to sale, so

Re: [Discuss] NAS: cloud backups

2015-07-04 Thread Tom Metro
Rich Braun wrote: In the future I'd like to have replication to cloud systems... My thought was that the 2nd NAS in the pair that has responsibility for backups would hold historical snapshots, while also syncing the latest version to one or two cloud storage services. Using stock firmware that

Re: [Discuss] NAS: distributed file systems

2015-07-04 Thread Tom Metro
F. O. Ozbek wrote: You can use moosefs to essentially do what Isilon does at a fraction of the price. https://moosefs.com/ Thanks for the reminder of MooseFS. I've ran across it before. There are a bunch like it. They tend to be either very complicated to set up, or immature and incomplete.

Re: [Discuss] NAS: ZFS vs. BtrFS

2015-07-04 Thread Tom Metro
Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: If you're planning to do one as primary, and one as backup, I am biased toward ZFS... Yes, the block-level replication feature to a 2nd server is an appealing feature of ZFS. Even more compelling is the block-level snapshotting that ZFS provides. (Is there any

Re: [Discuss] NAS: buy vs. build

2015-07-04 Thread Richard Pieri
On 7/4/2015 9:38 AM, F. O. Ozbek wrote: Didn't IBM leave the hardware business entirely (including the servers last year)? IBM sold the System x business to Lenovo. IBM retains its System z and Power Systems businesses. You probably purchased Lenovo servers labeled as IBM servers. Other

Re: [Discuss] NAS: buy vs. build

2015-07-04 Thread F. O. Ozbek
On 07/03/2015 08:26 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: Last year I specced out some high-end compute servers (2 by Xeon 10-core, 384GB) with a pile of storage (80TB) from Dell and IBM. The compute portions were essentially identical prices. The Dell storage was 2 x 12-bay SAS storage arrays with SATA

Re: [Discuss] NAS: buy vs. buil

2015-07-04 Thread Rich Braun
I have two other requirements that at least until now have favored build rather than buy: encryption at rest and incremental upgradability. By the latter, I mean being able to expand storage by adding or replacing one or more of the drives vs. swapping out a whole chassis. What I really want

Re: [Discuss] NAS: buy vs. build

2015-07-04 Thread Mike Small
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 08:26:31PM -0400, Richard Pieri wrote: Last year I specced out some high-end compute servers (2 by Xeon 10-core, 384GB) with a pile of storage (80TB) from Dell and IBM. The compute portions were essentially identical prices. The Dell storage was 2 x 12-bay SAS storage