Re: [Discuss] NAS: encryption

2015-07-10 Thread Mike Small
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 10:05:14PM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: It pulls up to 250W so it will cost a little more to power so somewhere around $4000 the first year and $1600/year to operate. WOW!!! Your electricity is EX..PEN...SIVE! Assuming my math is right, 250W is 1kWh every 4

Re: [Discuss] NAS: encryption

2015-07-10 Thread Eric Chadbourne
What puzzles me is what people are doing at home to use up all that disk space. My music collection is about 150GB. I like to keep 3 copies of everything so there’s 450GB. I don’t keep a copy offsite in the cloud just because of it’s size. I keep one copy on a USB drive in a fire proof

Re: [Discuss] VPS suggestions

2015-07-10 Thread Matt Shields
Check out Linode.com Matt On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Eric Chadbourne eric.chadbou...@icloud.com wrote: Hi All, Any VPS suggestions? For the last year I’ve been using Digital Ocean. The price is right and the servers are fast. Unfortunately it appears apt-get can’t update the

Re: [Discuss] VPS suggestions

2015-07-10 Thread Eric Chadbourne
On Jul 10, 2015, at 9:54 AM, Eric Chadbourne eric.chadbou...@icloud.com wrote: Hi All, Any VPS suggestions? For the last year I’ve been using Digital Ocean. The price is right and the servers are fast. Unfortunately it appears apt-get can’t update the kernel. You have to use

[Discuss] VPS suggestions

2015-07-10 Thread Eric Chadbourne
Hi All, Any VPS suggestions? For the last year I’ve been using Digital Ocean. The price is right and the servers are fast. Unfortunately it appears apt-get can’t update the kernel. You have to use their web based gui. This isn’t acceptable to me. Anybody have any suggestions? Are you

Re: [Discuss] NAS: encryption

2015-07-10 Thread Richard Pieri
On 7/9/2015 10:05 PM, Derek Atkins wrote: Does this $2239 price include the 8 drives? Yes: with 8x3TB. The empty chassis is about $1K. WOW!!! Your electricity is EX..PEN...SIVE! Assuming my math is right, The $1600/year figure includes ISP cost. Yeah, I worded that poorly. Actual

Re: [Discuss] VPS suggestions

2015-07-10 Thread Eric Chadbourne
Looks like I can rebuild the Digital Ocean server. Move it from Ubuntu LTS to one of their supported systems that allows updates at terminal. https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-update-a-digitalocean-server-s-kernel What a pain in the ass. I spent hours getting this one

Re: [Discuss] NAS: lots of bays vs. lots of boxes

2015-07-10 Thread Richard Pieri
On 7/10/2015 1:13 PM, Kent Borg wrote: Certainly. But as with batteries, the technology changes, and there are qualitative consequences. For example, the Wikipedia article on RAID says that Dell recommends against RAID 5 with disks 1TB or larger on some Dell product-or-other, because the very

Re: [Discuss] NAS: lots of bays vs. lots of boxes

2015-07-10 Thread Jack Coats
Ok, a rookie question (but real) here. How do you know if your drive is near 'end of life'? Calendar? SMART statistics? Hours of runtime? I have been known to wait till the 'wheels fall off', but that always causes minor panics and excess effort. Suggestions that are easy to follow and

Re: [Discuss] NAS: lots of bays vs. lots of boxes

2015-07-10 Thread John Abreau
Google published a study a number of years ago, based on statistics they gathered of drive performance in their enormous collection of servers over many years. One of their conclusions was that hard drives tend to have a useful life of three years: the odds of catastrophic failure were very low

Re: [Discuss] NAS: lots of bays vs. lots of boxes

2015-07-10 Thread Richard Pieri
On 7/10/2015 2:23 PM, John Abreau wrote: Based on the statistics they gathered, they recommended a policy of replacing drives every three years regardless of whether they're failing yet. The idea is that disks are cheap these days, and the cost of losing data far outweighs the cost of replacing

Re: [Discuss] NAS: lots of bays vs. lots of boxes

2015-07-10 Thread Richard Pieri
On 7/10/2015 12:06 PM, Kent Borg wrote: Feels like RAID is dying of disks being too inexpensive, or better put, too big at a still-affordable price. The amount of data to copy to bring a new disk into an existing array is getting too big. It takes too long, it starts to consume too much of the

Re: [Discuss] NAS: lots of bays vs. lots of boxes

2015-07-10 Thread Gordon Marx
Clearly the answer is RAIN (Redundant Array of Inexpensive NASes). /me rushes to trademark, monetize On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Kent Borg kentb...@borg.org wrote: On 07/10/2015 12:36 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: The answer to this conundrum is simple: disks are consumables like toner and

Re: [Discuss] NAS: lots of bays vs. lots of boxes

2015-07-10 Thread Kent Borg
On 07/07/2015 01:19 PM, Derek Atkins wrote: The 24-bay NORCO box is under $400. Jeepers. A few numbers in a calculator and I have to remind myself we are talking TB not mere GB. Feels like RAID is dying of disks being too inexpensive, or better put, too big at a still-affordable price. The

Re: [Discuss] NAS: lots of bays vs. lots of boxes

2015-07-10 Thread Kent Borg
On 07/10/2015 12:36 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: The answer to this conundrum is simple: disks are consumables like toner and paper and batteries. Certainly. But as with batteries, the technology changes, and there are qualitative consequences. For example, the Wikipedia article on RAID says

Re: [Discuss] NAS: lots of bays vs. lots of boxes

2015-07-10 Thread Mike Small
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 02:23:55PM -0400, John Abreau wrote: Based on the statistics they gathered, they recommended a policy of replacing drives every three years regardless of whether they're failing yet. The idea is that disks are cheap these days, and the cost of losing data far outweighs

Re: [Discuss] NAS: lots of bays vs. lots of boxes

2015-07-10 Thread F. O. Ozbek
On 07/10/2015 03:36 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: On 7/10/2015 3:08 PM, Kent Borg wrote: But like many nice ideas, this one only goes so far: after a few cycles you can't get matched replacement disks and a bit later technology likely changes enough you need to rethink everything. This is one

Re: [Discuss] NAS: lots of bays vs. lots of boxes

2015-07-10 Thread Kent Borg
On 07/10/2015 02:23 PM, John Abreau wrote: Based on the statistics they gathered, they recommended a policy of replacing drives every three years regardless of whether they're failing yet. Consider staggering your replacement schedule for disks in a raid set so that they are out of sync and

Re: [Discuss] NAS: lots of bays vs. lots of boxes

2015-07-10 Thread Richard Pieri
On 7/10/2015 3:08 PM, Kent Borg wrote: But like many nice ideas, this one only goes so far: after a few cycles you can't get matched replacement disks and a bit later technology likely changes enough you need to rethink everything. This is one way that ZFS and Btrfs are superior: they don't

Re: [Discuss] NAS: lots of bays vs. lots of boxes

2015-07-10 Thread F. O. Ozbek
On 07/10/2015 01:15 PM, Gordon Marx wrote: Clearly the answer is RAIN (Redundant Array of Inexpensive NASes). I love it! Well, MooseFS is exactly that. RAIN. (Along with glusterfs, etc, etc.) /me rushes to trademark, monetize On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Kent Borg kentb...@borg.org

Re: [Discuss] NAS: lots of bays vs. lots of boxes

2015-07-10 Thread F. O. Ozbek
On 07/10/2015 01:27 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: On 7/10/2015 1:13 PM, Kent Borg wrote: Certainly. But as with batteries, the technology changes, and there are qualitative consequences. For example, the Wikipedia article on RAID says that Dell recommends against RAID 5 with disks 1TB or larger on

Re: [Discuss] NAS: lots of bays vs. lots of boxes

2015-07-10 Thread Rich Braun
As drive capacities increased, transfer speed also did. (You have updated your motherboards to 6G SATA, right?) I posted here not too long ago that I'd suffered a triple-disk failure, which forced me to buy into the current crop of magnetic media rather than wait see what the SSD market looks

[Discuss] Boston Linux Meeting Wednesday, July 15, 2015 - Federico's 2015 OSCON Preview

2015-07-10 Thread Jerry Feldman
When: July 15, 2015 7PM (6:30PM for QA) Topic: Federico's 2015 OSCON Preview Moderators:Federico Lucifredi Location: MIT Building E-51, Room 335 ### Please note that Wadsworth St. is still closed. ### Proceed West on Memorial Drive to Ames St. Ames will be ### 2-way during construction. Take a

Re: [Discuss] NAS: lots of bays vs. lots of boxes

2015-07-10 Thread F. O. Ozbek
On 07/10/2015 03:15 PM, Mike Small wrote: I guess my point is people shouldn't be slavish to that advice. It would be good if there were some to take up the detritus from those companies and enthusiasts who are churning through all this junk every couple years. Oh, and it would be nice if

Re: [Discuss] NAS: lots of bays vs. lots of boxes

2015-07-10 Thread Richard Pieri
On 7/10/2015 4:08 PM, F. O. Ozbek wrote: That assumes drives only die out of old age, which is not true. Some batch of hard-drives will be bad, and may die at high rates during their 3/5 year life span. These are exceedingly rare. Yes, there have been a handful of high-profile exceptions. Data

Re: [Discuss] OpenSWAN VPN

2015-07-10 Thread Matthew Gillen
Not familiar with OpenSWAN, but in OpenVPN sometimes you have to push routes to the clients to force traffic through. Does your routing table look right? On 7/9/2015 10:44 AM, Matt Shields wrote: Does anyone have a working OpenSWAN config or can you see what the issue might be below? Current