On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Bill Horne b...@horne.net wrote:
In my capacity as Telecom Digest Moderator, I asked Ian Murdock to comment
on the fork.
His reply was succinct:
Thanks for sharing that, Bill. That is succinct.
Freedom to Fork is one of the RMS/FSF Freedoms. While we may
On 11/30/2014 11:31 AM, Rich Braun wrote:
Really? The best brightest Linux minds in the world split over this issue?
In my capacity as Telecom Digest Moderator, I asked Ian Murdock to
comment on the fork.
His reply was succinct:
Regrettable. Storm in a teacup in the grander scheme of
From: Martin Owens [mailto:docto...@gmail.com]
YALS - Yet Another Lennart System
I never read anything about Lennart until you mentioned him here - I don't know
what's the controversy over pulse audio - But this quote in particular rings
very positive with me:
In January 2013, Poettering
On 11/30/2014 10:18 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote:
I never read anything about Lennart until you mentioned him here - I
don't know what's the controversy over pulse audio
The base code is poorly written. For example, Lennart's code had
incorrectly handled buffer over-runs and under-runs
Really? The best brightest Linux minds in the world split over this issue?
I've got a 2-word thought on this: grow up. Most of the world has already moved
on from the systemd debate 2 years ago; aren't there a few tad-more-important
things to worry about than preserving a few dozen crufty
On 11/30/2014 11:31 AM, Rich Braun wrote:
Really? The best brightest Linux minds in the world split over this
issue?
No. The best brightest are split over freedom. Some of us don't like
the being forced to use software that we don't want to use when other
software better suits our needs.
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 08:31:10AM -0800, Rich Braun wrote:
aren't there a few tad-more-important things to worry about than
preserving a few dozen crufty startup scripts dating back to the
1990s?
This is part of the problem--it seems a lot of people have framed this
as antiquated SysVInit
Bill Horne wrote:
Someone, please give me a one-sentence answer I can recite to any suit
who asks me what the difference is.
I can't use words like systemd: their eyes will glaze over. TIA.
Bill
With the suits I work with, I wouldn't want to have to bring up Debian
(or Devuan), never mind
From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss-
bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Derek Martin
You can read the bug reports yourself to find real problems with
systemd breaking stuff
Just as vague as everything I've ever read anti-systemd.
(you will find
https://devuan.org/
Devuan will derive its own installer and package repositories from
Debian, modifying them where necessary, with the first goal of removing
systemd, still inheriting the Debian development workflow while
continuing it on a different path: free from bloat as a minimalist
On 11/29/2014 12:13 PM, Richard Pieri wrote:
https://devuan.org/
Devuan will derive its own installer and package repositories from
Debian, modifying them where necessary, with the first goal of
removing systemd, still inheriting the Debian development workflow
while continuing it on a
I don't think that what you ask for is possible. The systemd debate is
outside the realm of anything a suit is likely to understand, even if
you use an entire page.
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Bill Horne b...@horne.net wrote:
On 11/29/2014 12:13 PM, Richard Pieri wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Discuss] Debian officially forked over systemd
I don't think that what you ask for is possible. The systemd debate is
outside the realm of anything a suit is likely to understand, even if
you use an entire page.
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Bill
On 11/29/2014 12:49 PM, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote:
I don't think that what you ask for is possible. The systemd debate is
outside the realm of anything a suit is likely to understand, even if
you use an entire page.
Nah... Bill isn't looking for an explanation. He's looking for a
The suit explanation has to focus on business impact, not technical details.
use phrases like:
risk of disruption proven compatibility increased stability
total uptime maintenance cost
(or their inverses)
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On 11/29/2014 12:45 PM, Bill Horne wrote:
Someone, please give me a one-sentence answer I can recite to any suit
who asks me what the difference is.
I can't use words like systemd: their eyes will glaze over. TIA.
Tell them you can tweak old sys-v scripts if they break and/or you need
them
On 11/29/2014 1:27 PM, Betsy Schwartz wrote:
The suit explanation has to focus on business impact, not technical details.
use phrases like:
risk of disruption proven compatibility increased stability
total uptime maintenance cost
(or their inverses)
Betsy,
Thanks, that's a good point.
Of
On 11/29/2014 12:49 PM, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote:
I don't think that what you ask for is possible. The systemd debate is
outside the realm of anything a suit is likely to understand, even if
you use an entire page.
That's the problem: I can't try to explain why I might recommend one
From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss-
bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Bill Horne
Someone, please give me a one-sentence answer I can recite to any suit
who asks me what the difference is.
Nobody will ask unless they already have an opinion about
From: Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
The arguments about preventing downtime are bunk, unless somebody
shows that systemd causes downtime. Which it doesn't.
There's a reason it's difficult to come up with a concrete argument against
systemd.
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On 11/29/2014 7:50 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote:
The arguments about preventing downtime are bunk, unless somebody
shows that systemd causes downtime. Which it doesn't.
Last major update to my home box, systemd broke Samba. No changes were
made to the Samba configuration; systemd simply
On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 00:52 +, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote:
The arguments about preventing downtime are bunk, unless somebody
shows that systemd causes downtime. Which it doesn't.
There's a reason it's difficult to come up with a concrete argument
against systemd.
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