Re: [Discuss] core competency

2013-01-29 Thread scottmarydavid...@gmail.com
There's a third reason companies outsource. It allows them to have the illusion of fixed, low IT costs. Often in larger companies, they don't separate the cost of projects from operating expenses. The basic outsourcing contract includes infrastructure support only, everything else they do is

Re: [Discuss] core competency

2013-01-25 Thread Jerry Feldman
2a. Outsourcing because you cannot hire anyone competent. Example is my son-in-law's previous employer. He quit, moved to Buffalo to take a pretty good job with the Federal Public Defender's office. But, his company has been unable to hire anyone competent to take his place. In this case this is a

Re: [Discuss] core competency

2013-01-25 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 01/24/2013 12:38 PM, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: Of course, when you outsource for expertise, you're really outsourcing to save money. Because you get somebody part-time or temporary instead of hiring a fulltime person for that role. At least ... I find in sales for my own services,

Re: [Discuss] core competency

2013-01-25 Thread Jack Coats
I have worked in some companies where, when getting ready for a major upgrade, they hired contractors. To do the 'support and maintenance' of the 'old stuff' whey the employees do the new development, and when they are ready, they roll into production and become the support staff. When the old

Re: [Discuss] core competency

2013-01-25 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:38:50PM -0500, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: That assumes that your company needs enough of that role to justify a full time person. A common reason for outsourcing is that a company only needs a small amount of a skill, not enough to justify bringing in a person for

Re: [Discuss] core competency

2013-01-25 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 05:54:42PM +, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Dan Ritter Will they live or die over whether an engineer is inspired and dedicated and works

Re: [Discuss] core competency

2013-01-24 Thread Grant M.
So I've only read the most recent posts, but I think there are two different ways of looking at this: 1. Outsourcing to save money (this seems to be the most common) 2. Outsourcing for expertise. We actually do the latter, and often interact with the former. The painful part of the process is

Re: [Discuss] core competency

2013-01-24 Thread Dan Ritter
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:14:13PM -0500, Tom Metro wrote: A while back Dan Ritter wrote: Dave Berry wrote: Does anyone know of companies that offer linux server and website support? ... Our servers are remotely hosted by a colo company... There are companies which do that, but let me

Re: [Discuss] core competency

2013-01-24 Thread Rich Pieri
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 08:58:29 -0500 Grant M. gmonga...@napc.com wrote: Last point: GOOD Linux system engineers are very difficult to come by. Competant Linux admins are out there, but it's not always easy to tell them from mediocre Linux admins. Tinkerers calling themselves admins, and admins

Re: [Discuss] core competency

2013-01-24 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Grant M. So I've only read the most recent posts, but I think there are two different ways of looking at this: 1. Outsourcing to save money (this seems to be the most common) 2.

Re: [Discuss] core competency

2013-01-24 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
Of course, when you outsource for expertise, you're really outsourcing to save money. Because you get somebody part-time or temporary instead of hiring a fulltime person for that role. At least ... I find in sales for my own services, that's one of the most compelling points to pitch to

Re: [Discuss] core competency

2013-01-24 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Dan Ritter Will they live or die over whether an engineer is inspired and dedicated and works overnight fixing a problem or implementing a feature? If so, then it is a mistake

Re: [Discuss] core competency

2013-01-24 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) b...@nedharvey.com wrote: From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Dan Ritter Will they live or die over whether an engineer is inspired and dedicated and works

[Discuss] core competency

2013-01-23 Thread Tom Metro
A while back Dan Ritter wrote: Dave Berry wrote: Does anyone know of companies that offer linux server and website support? ... Our servers are remotely hosted by a colo company... There are companies which do that, but let me caution you: do not outsource your core competency. This may be a