Re: [Discuss] basic fiber optic phone service vs. Fios phone service

2014-09-15 Thread Dan Ritter
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 10:46:06PM -0400, Tom Metro wrote: But then he went on point out that Verizon is offering two different products. One being Fios phone service, and the other being basic fiber optic phone service. As we know, Fios isn't regulated by the state utility regulators, but

Re: [Discuss] selecting a subnet

2014-09-15 Thread Bill Horne
On Sunday, September 14, 2014 10:53:22 PM Steven Santos wrote: If your corp network uses addresses in the 192.168.0.0 range, how about using an address in the 10.0.0.0 range? Most small routers limit users to the 192.168.x.x ranges. Even if a router allowed use of the 172.16~ or 10~ spaces on

Re: [Discuss] selecting a subnet

2014-09-15 Thread Bill Horne
On Sunday, September 14, 2014 10:57:19 PM Derek Martin wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 04:04:12PM -0400, Stephen Adler wrote: I'm setting up a small network at work behind my own firewall. Typically I would use a 192.168.1.0/24 network but I'm afraid the IT people at work have used that for

Re: [Discuss] selecting a subnet

2014-09-15 Thread Gordon Marx
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Bill Horne b...@horne.net wrote: If the regular IT staff (who have, of course, left for the day) has set up a DMZ to accord visitors Internet access, then the process is simple. If not, well, I just try to remember who's name is on the door. And whose name is

Re: [Discuss] selecting a subnet

2014-09-15 Thread Jerry Feldman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I am with Derek in this case, but remember that 192.168.n.n, 10.n.n.n and 172.16 - 172.31 are non-routable meaning that your router SHOULD never expose these addresses beyond the subnet. So, in the case where you have to set something up at the last

Re: [Discuss] basic fiber optic phone service vs. Fios phone service

2014-09-15 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 07:05:24AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 10:46:06PM -0400, Tom Metro wrote: But then he went on point out that Verizon is offering two different products. One being Fios phone service, and the other being basic fiber optic phone service. As we

Re: [Discuss] SysVinit vs. systemd

2014-09-15 Thread Bill Ricker
If anyone hasn't had enough of SystemD debate ... G+ has a SysVinit - SystemD command crib sheet https://plus.google.com/u/0/116824676284814557701/posts/4Quj7FGTBBD a full debate and index to blogs elsewhere on topic https://plus.google.com/u/0/explore/Systemd On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 9:28

Re: [Discuss] selecting a subnet

2014-09-15 Thread Bill Horne
On Monday, September 15, 2014 09:28:30 AM Jerry Feldman wrote: I am with Derek in this case, but remember that 192.168.n.n, 10.n.n.n and 172.16 - 172.31 are non-routable meaning that your router SHOULD never expose these addresses beyond the subnet. So, in the case where you have to set

Re: [Discuss] selecting a subnet

2014-09-15 Thread Jerry Feldman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The reason I suggested password is that it just restricts the ad hoc user from using the network. This is a short-term requirement for the OP. And, assuming the WAN port of the router is plugged into the corporate network. This way the nonroutable

Re: [Discuss] selecting a subnet

2014-09-15 Thread Bill Horne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jerry Feldman wrote: The reason I suggested password is that it just restricts the ad hoc user from using the network. This is a short-term requirement for the OP. And, assuming the WAN port of the router is plugged into the corporate network.

Re: [Discuss] automatic daemon restarts

2014-09-15 Thread Tom Metro
Richard Pieri wrote: Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: An active system will notice mysqld died, recognize that it's not supposed to do that right now, and restart it. Which is a stupid way to run in production. There's a reason why the daemon died. That reason needs to be identified so that

Re: [Discuss] selecting a subnet

2014-09-15 Thread Richard Pieri
On 9/15/2014 3:48 PM, Bill Horne wrote: I feel this is a shortcoming of American management in general, No, not a shortcoming of American management. It's the irrational notion that pessimism is bad. and I have never discovered a polite or effective way to say You're being foolish - please

Re: [Discuss] automatic daemon restarts

2014-09-15 Thread Richard Pieri
On 9/15/2014 4:15 PM, Tom Metro wrote: Not to say your points are invalid, but Netflix would disagree with you. They created a testing tool that intentionally kills random services on their production systems just to test that automated recovery works correctly. Netflix is a highly available

Re: [Discuss] selecting a subnet

2014-09-15 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 09:17:24AM -0400, Bill Horne wrote: On Sunday, September 14, 2014 10:57:19 PM Derek Martin wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 04:04:12PM -0400, Stephen Adler wrote: I'm setting up a small network at work behind my own firewall. Typically I would use a 192.168.1.0/24

Re: [Discuss] selecting a subnet

2014-09-15 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:06 AM, Derek Martin inva...@pizzashack.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 09:17:24AM -0400, Bill Horne wrote: On Sunday, September 14, 2014 10:57:19 PM Derek Martin wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 04:04:12PM -0400, Stephen Adler wrote:. ... FWIW, this should work,