Re: [steering-discuss] Minor incosistencies in our ByLaws

2011-03-09 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello André, Andre Schnabel wrote on 2011-03-09 15.13: All these issues would be quite easy to fix (imho). We just need to agree;) (I can write the suggestions after some time of disussion and then call for a vote.) +1 from my side, and thanks for working on this! Florian -- Florian

Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail List issues

2011-03-09 Thread James Wilde
On Mar 9, 2011, at 08:50 , James Wilde wrote: On Mar 9, 2011, at 04:05 , NoOp wrote: Of late there are multiple posts on the users list regarding mail list subscribe and unsubscribe issues. snip Florian points out an issue with mailman:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail List issues

2011-03-09 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, Mailman has not been chosen mainly out of two reasons: 1. Moderation via e-mail is not comfortable. It especially requires one password shared among all moderators, which is inconvenient. 2. Although virtual domains are supported, the list name can only exist once per Mailman

[tdf-discuss] Re: Disclaimer

2011-03-09 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, Daniel Gonzalez wrote on 2011-03-09 02.52: Took several days working and working hard on marketing lists, users, support, and others in Spanish. Recently I talked with some people who told me that everything related to LibreOffice in Spanish is being led by http://oooes.org/, the idea

Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail List issues

2011-03-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 3/9/11 11:07 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, Mailman has not been chosen mainly out of two reasons: 1. Moderation via e-mail is not comfortable. It especially requires one password shared among all moderators, which is inconvenient. 2. Although virtual domains are supported, the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail List issues

2011-03-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 3/9/11 9:04 AM, James Wilde wrote: On Mar 9, 2011, at 08:50 , James Wilde wrote: On Mar 9, 2011, at 04:05 , NoOp wrote: Of late there are multiple posts on the users list regarding mail list subscribe and unsubscribe issues. snip Florian points out an issue with mailman:

[steering-discuss] Minor incosistencies in our ByLaws

2011-03-09 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, as we are currently preparing the legal documents for the Foundation in Germany, we found some minor inconsistencies in the bylaws. I'd like to ask the Steering Commitee, if we should do some modifications to our bylwas, so that the meaning is more clear. The issues we found are: 1st -

Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail List issues

2011-03-09 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *, On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:05 AM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: [...] I'm not versed on mailman, so I don't know the answer. However, the current issue of mail list subscribers not being able to subscribe/unsubscribe/modify user settings/etc in mlmmj as they can in mailman is an issue.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail List issues

2011-03-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 3/9/11 3:23 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-03-09 14.53: Can mailman integrate with spamassassin? if it can why not route the lists through a spamassassin? My reasoning for this is that we will eliminate list moderation and free up moderators for other

Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail List issues

2011-03-09 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-03-09 15.25: Have you tried using spamassassin with baysian filtering. the way I have things setup on my mail server is that emails are checked and given a score default being 5. anything 5 or higher is automatically filtered as spam. my friends server setup

Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail List issues

2011-03-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 3/9/11 3:27 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2011-03-09 15.25: Have you tried using spamassassin with baysian filtering. the way I have things setup on my mail server is that emails are checked and given a score default being 5. anything 5 or higher is

Re: [steering-discuss] Minor incosistencies in our ByLaws

2011-03-09 Thread sophie
Hi all, On 09/03/2011 17:50, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: [...] I agree that these are inconsistencies and to your analysis, so +1 for these minor fixes. +1 too Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Disclaimer

2011-03-09 Thread Jesús Corrius
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, Daniel Gonzalez wrote on 2011-03-09 02.52: Took several days working and working hard on marketing lists, users, support, and others in Spanish. Recently I talked with some people who told me

[steering-discuss] Re: Disclaimer

2011-03-09 Thread Daniel Gonzalez
On 03/09/2011 08:28 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, Daniel Gonzalez wrote on 2011-03-09 02.52: Took several days working and working hard on marketing lists, users, support, and others in Spanish. Recently I talked with some people who told me that everything related to LibreOffice in

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Disclaimer

2011-03-09 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 3/9/11 3:51 PM, Jesús Corrius wrote: If there are no objections in 24 hours, I'll edit the pages to point to the official lists. 24 hours have officially gone by now. Jesus, please change the page ASAP. I will draft a media advisory ASAP. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Mobile

Re: [steering-discuss] Minor incosistencies in our ByLaws

2011-03-09 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 3/9/11 3:50 PM, sophie wrote: Hi all, On 09/03/2011 17:50, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: [...] I agree that these are inconsistencies and to your analysis, so +1 for these minor fixes. +1 too Sophie +1 Italo -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP:

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Disclaimer

2011-03-09 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello everyone, Sorry for jumping so late... Le Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:04:35 +0100, Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com a écrit : On 3/9/11 3:51 PM, Jesús Corrius wrote: If there are no objections in 24 hours, I'll edit the pages to point to the official lists. 24 hours have

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Disclaimer

2011-03-09 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 3/9/11 4:35 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: The point is not to prohibit people to use their own tools. It is to avoid confusion (OOoES is not TDF and I don't see why OOoES should dictate anything to the rest of the Spanish speaking contributors) and also that TDF feels there's a problem with

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Disclaimer

2011-03-09 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:47:50 +0100, Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com a écrit : On 3/9/11 4:35 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: The point is not to prohibit people to use their own tools. It is to avoid confusion (OOoES is not TDF and I don't see why OOoES should dictate anything to the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail List issues

2011-03-09 Thread M. Fioretti
(sorry if this is a duplicate, my mail server had problems earlier today) On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 15:16:35 PM +0100, Christian Lohmaier (lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com) wrote: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:05 AM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: 1. Why are unsubscribed posts even allowed? It would

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Disclaimer

2011-03-09 Thread Roman H. Gelbort
El 09/03/11 13:30, Charles-H. Schulz escribió: He will never behave in the proper way. We all know him, and the damages he has done to the OOo Spanish community (which has never been a real community). If we continue to keep the door open we will never get a transparent situation, and the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Mail List issues

2011-03-09 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi all, M. Fioretti wrote (09-03-11 19:45) please note that I explicitly acknowledge in that page that it is unavoidable that such a support list must accept (after moderation) even messages from unsubscribed users. So (in this case) I agree with you that non-subscribers messages must pass.

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Disclaimer

2011-03-09 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 3/9/11 8:31 PM, Roman H. Gelbort wrote: wow... you believe that this is the solution!!! Yes, we do. ok.. you have the power in LibO... The community has the power, and the name of the software is LibreOffice. You do not represent the community. Please... Alexandro and his friends

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Disclaimer

2011-03-09 Thread RGB ES
2011/3/9 Roman H. Gelbort ro...@piensalibre.com.ar: Alexandro isn't the trouble... you know what is? Maybe a wrong concept. Alexandro have the concept to give localization support to both, OOo and LibO and to help the Spanish localization of both projects under the same umbrella (something

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Disclaimer

2011-03-09 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 3/9/11 9:53 PM, RGB ES wrote: Maybe a wrong concept. Alexandro have the concept to give localization support to both, OOo and LibO and to help the Spanish localization of both projects under the same umbrella (something similar to PLIO project for Italian(1)). The implementation and

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Disclaimer

2011-03-09 Thread Roman H. Gelbort
El 09/03/11 17:52, Italo Vignoli escribió: On 3/9/11 8:31 PM, Roman H. Gelbort wrote: wow... you believe that this is the solution!!! Yes, we do. ok.. you have the power in LibO... The community has the power, and the name of the software is LibreOffice. You do not represent the

Re: [steering-discuss] Minor incosistencies in our ByLaws

2011-03-09 Thread Thorsten Behrens
André Schnabel wrote: All these issues would be quite easy to fix (imho). We just need to agree ;) (I can write the suggestions after some time of disussion and then call for a vote.) +1 - thx for fixing! Cheers, -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Disclaimer

2011-03-09 Thread Jesús Corrius
We, the sudacas, really need a great european (intelligent and good) that help us. In this point, you interrupt the dialog... Duce. This answer is totally unacceptable. Part of my family was killed because of the fascist violence in Spain and I think this is not a matter of laughs or jokes.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Disclaimer

2011-03-09 Thread Eduardo Moreno
I am native speaker of spanish. Thank's Jesus. El 09/03/11 08:51, Jesús Corrius escribió: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, Daniel Gonzalez wrote on 2011-03-09 02.52: Took several days working and working hard on marketing

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Disclaimer

2011-03-09 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 3/9/11 11:36 PM, Roman H. Gelbort wrote: In this point, you interrupt the dialog... Duce. This answer shows that we need to break the ties with OOoES as soon as possible. Thanks for confirming that we are on the right track. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Mobile

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Disclaimer

2011-03-09 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 3/9/11 11:59 PM, Jesús Corrius wrote: Part of my family was killed because of the fascist violence in Spain and I think this is not a matter of laughs or jokes. Jesus, my grandfather Italo was killed by the fascists, because he was against Benito Mussolini. You can understand my feelings.

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Disclaimer

2011-03-09 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Italo Vignoli wrote: On 3/9/11 9:53 PM, RGB ES wrote: support to both, OOo and LibO and to help the Spanish localization of both projects under the same umbrella (something similar to PLIO project for Italian(1)). ... Totally wrong. PLIO at the moment is divided between people that want to

[tdf-discuss] Re: Mail List issues

2011-03-09 Thread Bill Sippo
NoOp glgxg at sbcglobal.net writes: Of late there are multiple posts on the users list regarding mail list subscribe and unsubscribe issues. .. ... However, the current issue of mail list subscribers not being able to subscribe/unsubscribe/modify

[tdf-discuss] Re: Mail List issues

2011-03-09 Thread NoOp
On 03/09/2011 02:07 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, Mailman has not been chosen mainly out of two reasons: 1. Moderation via e-mail is not comfortable. It especially requires one password shared among all moderators, which is inconvenient. 2. Although virtual domains are

[tdf-discuss] Re: Mail List issues

2011-03-09 Thread NoOp
On 03/09/2011 06:16 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: ... And you mentioned that one could have learned from OOo lists: Ha, that is a good one. The OOo lists have explicit unsubscribe instructions in *every* footer, but still people complain about not knowing to unsubscribe. So having that in