[tdf-discuss] Draft user guide chapters on wiki

2010-10-22 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
Apologies for posting to two lists, but I think this is of general interest. I have placed copies of some draft chapters of a Getting Started guide and a Writer Guide for LibreOffice (in .ODT format) on the wiki, http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation These chapters are ported from the

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-22 Thread Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai
Hi! It is not surprising to me. Until the LibreOffice you was 100% committed to OpenOffice.org. Now, what is your occupation? Are you a OpenOffice.org contributor, or LibreOffice or both of them?. If somebody ask you what offer to him as a office suite what will you tell to him? It is somehow a

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-22 Thread Ian
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 20:16 +0200, Mirek M. wrote: Very nice indeed. However, I still haven't found a way to do anything significant with it whereas I have no such problems with Draw or Visio. But it brings the other question: Inkscape is also another vector-based program that works

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-22 Thread Povilas Kanapickas
Hi all, On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Carlos Jose Lenarts Ramis goda...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/19 Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com In data 19 ottobre 2010 alle ore 14:35:45, Carlos Jose Lenarts Ramis el...@users.sourceforge.net ha scritto: If wee want a really

Re: [tdf-discuss] Draft user guide chapters on wiki

2010-10-22 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Jean, Le Fri, 22 Oct 2010 17:23:18 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com a écrit : Apologies for posting to two lists, but I think this is of general interest. I have placed copies of some draft chapters of a Getting Started guide and a Writer Guide for LibreOffice (in .ODT

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-22 Thread Krabina Bernhard
So should't LibreOffice drop the Draw module and work instead toward a full integration with Inkscape? I don't think so, as Inkscape ist something for professional users. For the purpose of a draw replacement/integration point I would have a look at dia: http://projects.gnome.org/dia/

Re: [tdf-discuss] Unsubscribe

2010-10-22 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-21 17.21: All true and understood... but since MM3 will address all of these issues (and then some), I think it should be a part of the future plans (to migrate the lists to it once it is released and stable)... but thats only because I'm partial to it...:)

[tdf-discuss] LibO program icon brainstorming

2010-10-22 Thread Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai
Hi All, I do not know if there is any ongoing program icon redesign effort or the LibO will save the OpenOffice.org 3.1 styled icon. I created a draft for new icons where I used the TDF emblem as base, and the color and symbols from OOo Icon. It is nothing special, just my brainstorming idea

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO program icon brainstorming

2010-10-22 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Kami, This mailing list doesn't allow attachments. Could you upload the SVGs somewhere else and post a link? Thanks. :) 2010/10/22 Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai kami...@gmail.com Hi All, I do not know if there is any ongoing program icon redesign effort or the LibO will save the OpenOffice.org

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO program icon brainstorming

2010-10-22 Thread Andy Brown
On Fri Oct 22 2010 05:52:51 GMT-0700 (PDT) Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai wrote: Hi All, I do not know if there is any ongoing program icon redesign effort or the LibO will save the OpenOffice.org 3.1 styled icon. I created a draft for new icons where I used the TDF emblem as base, and the color and

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-22 Thread Mirek M.
Hi everyone, I posted another short blog post: http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/21/the-citrus-search-box/ http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/21/the-citrus-search-box/Feedback appreciated. -- Q: Why is this email five sentences or less? A:

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-22 Thread Ian
On Fri, 2010-10-22 at 13:05 +0200, Krabina Bernhard wrote: So should't LibreOffice drop the Draw module and work instead toward a full integration with Inkscape? I don't think so, as Inkscape ist something for professional users. Inkscape is no more difficult to learn than Draw. Primary

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-22 Thread Krabina Bernhard
To be honest, I am neither using inkscape, dia or draw on a regular basis. But I think the point is that inkscape is a full-blown vector graphic program, it aims to compete against corel draw or adobe products. which is great. Dia tries to do the same for business graphics and aims to be a

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-22 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-22 11:38 AM, Barbara Duprey wrote: OK, then I'm back to my initial position -- since informative responses can easily come deeper in the thread, this technique (even if it were supported by the list manager capabilities) would lead to such responses failing to reach the OP without

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-22 Thread Cor Nouws
Benjamin Horst wrote (22-10-10 17:52) Sorry that I haven't been involved in this discussion to this point, but Draw has the major advantage of a native interface on Mac OS X, which Dia and Inkscape do not (I think both require X11, though I haven't checked lately). I do not want to ignore

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-22 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-22 11:44, Ian a écrit : On Fri, 2010-10-22 at 13:05 +0200, Krabina Bernhard wrote: So should't LibreOffice drop the Draw module and work instead toward a full integration with Inkscape? I don't think so, as Inkscape ist something for professional users. Inkscape is no more

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-22 Thread Ian
On Fri, 2010-10-22 at 17:48 +0200, Krabina Bernhard wrote: To be honest, I am neither using inkscape, dia or draw on a regular basis. But I think the point is that inkscape is a full-blown vector graphic program, it aims to compete against corel draw or adobe products. which is great. So why

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-22 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-22 13:03, Cor Nouws a écrit : Benjamin Horst wrote (22-10-10 17:52) Sorry that I haven't been involved in this discussion to this point, but Draw has the major advantage of a native interface on Mac OS X, which Dia and Inkscape do not (I think both require X11, though I haven't

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-22 Thread Caio Tiago Oliveira
Povilas Kanapickas, 22-10-2010 06:55: Hi all, On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Carlos Jose Lenarts Ramis goda...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/19 Gianluca Turconim...@letturefantastiche.com In data 19 ottobre 2010 alle ore 14:35:45, Carlos Jose Lenarts Ramis el...@users.sourceforge.net

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-22 Thread Ian
On Fri, 2010-10-22 at 13:35 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-22 11:44, Ian a écrit : On Fri, 2010-10-22 at 13:05 +0200, Krabina Bernhard wrote: So should't LibreOffice drop the Draw module and work instead toward a full integration with Inkscape? I don't think so, as Inkscape ist

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-22 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-22 14:09, Ian a écrit : On Fri, 2010-10-22 at 13:35 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-22 11:44, Ian a écrit : On Fri, 2010-10-22 at 13:05 +0200, Krabina Bernhard wrote: So should't LibreOffice drop the Draw module and work instead toward a full integration with Inkscape? I don't

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-22 Thread Ian
Hi Ian: Have you tested this on students/kids? I would be interested to hear of the results if you had done this. Informally the feedback I get is that it's easy enough to teach young children how to make basic shapes and label diagrams etc in either Draw or Inkscape.

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO program icon brainstorming

2010-10-22 Thread Eduardo Moreno
El 22/10/10 07:52, Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai escribió: Hi All, I do not know if there is any ongoing program icon redesign effort or the LibO will save the OpenOffice.org 3.1 styled icon. I created a draft for new icons where I used the TDF emblem as base, and the color and symbols from OOo Icon.

[tdf-discuss] The Cold War Between OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice

2010-10-22 Thread M. Fioretti
B. Byfield's view of the situation: http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/The-Cold-War-Between-OpenOffice.org-and-LibreOffice -- MS Office like cocaine? http://stop.zona-m.net/node/198 -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-22 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/22/2010 11:25 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-10-22 11:38 AM, Barbara Duprey wrote: OK, then I'm back to my initial position -- since informative responses can easily come deeper in the thread, this technique (even if it were supported by the list manager capabilities) would lead to

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO program icon brainstorming

2010-10-22 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Kami, all, great to have you in our team! Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai schrieb: Hi All, I do not know if there is any ongoing program icon redesign effort or the LibO will save the OpenOffice.org 3.1 styled icon. We will have to create our own icons - transporting our branding to the user's

Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [users] I AM WITH OOo

2010-10-22 Thread mike moller
I'm always a bit suspicious of posts where the author has found it necessary to shout in the subject line does that author really think his/her contribution is more important than everyone else's? or maybe it's just an insecurity thing a bit like Linus being worried that someone might steal his

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO roadmap?

2010-10-22 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-18 04:16, Cedric Bosdonnat a écrit : Hi Alexandro, On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 23:10 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: I am very positive about making improvements on things like Writer, however I don't know many people use the bibliographic features. On the opposite I know about many

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibO roadmap?

2010-10-22 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi, L.D. wrote (23-10-10 00:10) The reason we don't use Writer (instead of MS Word) is because it lacks a crucial feature for business: powerful indexing (we create large documents, such as manuals and guides, that need indexes) Do you know Andrews Macro Document, for example? Pretty some