Dennis,
Not wanting to feed a big fat troll(the OOXML topic) I srill would like to
point out that un terms of IPR ODF has a very clean and simple RF basis
(royalty free) while OOXML is much more unclear on that point although it
appeaes you don't have to pay fees for implementing what's covered in the ISO
standard.
Best,
Charles
(who's a former director of the OASIS consortium)
Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org a écrit :
To be clear, the OOXML File Format is the subject of an International
Standard, the same way that ODF is an International Standard. (OOXML
started off in ECMA, ODF started off in OASIS. Both are ISO
Standards.)
So the specifications are open and freely available. You can download
them
for free.
In addition, Microsoft has provided its Open Specification Promise and
other
declarations so that implementations of consumers and producers of the
format are not subject to any patent claims from Microsoft and it is
not
necessary to obtain a license. Sun did something similar for ODF.
The Microsoft Office *implementation* is not open source. Likewise,
the
built-in support of ODF in Microsoft Office is not open source. The
standards for the formats are open. Open-source implementations are
not
required.
Support for OOXML in products like LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice,
and in
the Apache POI Project, to name three, is open source -- they are open
source projects and the source code is available under open source
licenses.
Just as support for ODF in LibO, AOO, and the ODF Toolkit is with
open-source code.
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From: lj ljelou...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:07 PM
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To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Thank you for the explanation of OOXML.
But I am still confused.
To Clear Things Up I need to know if the OOXML File Format, is open
sourced... or proprietary?
(This was probably mentioned before...)
Then I would definitely have a clearer understanding.
Thanks,
LJ
On 08/02/2013, at 5:49 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org
wrote:
Yes there is an International Standard for OOXML. I *suspect* that
the
provision of two-different Save As ... cases is (1) for the
Transitional
Standard OOXML which is the closest to what is acceptable by all
Microsoft
Office applications that accept .docx, .xlsx, and .pptx, and (2) for
Strict
Standard OOXML that is accepted only by Office 2010 and 2013 and can
be
produced by 2013. I have no idea how close the alignment of
LibreOffice
is
to those two flavors of Standard OOXML, which is a different
question.
There are those who think that Transitional is somehow not truly
OOXML,
but
both are specified in the International Standard. Microsoft Office
also
takes advantage of the extension mechanism, MCE, that is provided in
the
International Standard. I don't know how that sorts out in the
interoperability between LibreOffice and Microsoft Office using
OOXML.
The Wikipedia article is not bad. However, there has been
significant
maintenance of IS 29500:2008 and that has impacted the original
separation
of Transitional and Strict by making them syntactically separate
while
having considerable overlap in terms of function and semantics. The
current
edition of the International Standard for OOXML is IS 29500:2012.
There
is
also an in-process amendment.
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: lj [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 15:38
To: Simon Phipps
Cc: Jonathan Aquilina; Boudi van Vlijmen;
discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
Isn't there a standard Office Open XML Document Format?
What is the difference between office open xml and standard microsoft
docx
formats in LibreOffice and why does LibreOffice include both?
is there also a link where I can read about this... the only think I
have
found useful is what open xml is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com
wrote:
I don't know anyone who uses Office so I'm afraid I can't answer.
That's
why I send PDFs - everyone can open those and see the same document.
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Jonathan Aquilina
eagles051...@gmail.com
wrote:
My question though Simon is how well is ODF formatting preserved
when
opening up ODF formats in office 2010 and above on windows.
-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:11 PM
To: Boudi van Vlijmen
Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable
documents
