[board-discuss] Market Share
Hello All, does anyone have a reliable source for the actual Office Suite Maket Share? Basically I need to know how is LibreOffice/OpenOffice, GoogleDocs and MSOffice. Anyone? Cheers! Jaime -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Does anyone know when is LO 3.4 going to be available on the Ubuntu PPA?
Hello, Does anyone know when is the 3.4 version going to be available in the Ubuntu PPA? Cheers! Jaime R. Garza -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 20:22, plino pedl...@gmail.com wrote: ODF support is present in MS Office 2007 SP2 and MS Office 2010 (it even can be selected as default file format) so what would be your target? MS Office 2003 and older? It does not look reasonable to me, because by the time we develop something useable, only a minority of users will use such old versions of MS Office. I didn't know that. I'm still a Office 2003 user (and don't intend to switch to a newer version) The famous ribbon interface just wasted my time. That is why I love that LO has a menu interface PLUS Office 2007/2010 format support (for those colleagues who insist on having the latest...) and 1 million lines in Calc :) Forget all I said about ODF Add-ons. Even if the Office 2003 user base is large enough now (MS never reveals these numbers, do they? :) ) I agree that it would not make sense to start such a project now for a product that will be unsupported soon (ish... in 2014). Please concentrate on the updates then :) Cheers, Pedro I have said it several times, LO should make a light version with Write, Calc Presentation ONLY that is available for all platforms including Androids, iPhones iPads. There ODF could win a lot of momentum, for the moment Thinkfree is getting it write, saddly it is a proprietary SW. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] My application was rejected, ;-(
Hi all, my application was rejected, apparently I haven't made non-trivial contributions to the TDF. :-( -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] My application was rejected, ;-(
Hello all, Yes, the truth is that I have only being part of the MAIL-LISTS and my contributions for now have been nothing more that ideas, comments and suggestions. So, as Sophie said, that's difficult to quantify and qualify. If someone in the Mail lists thinks I have contributed something that is non-trivial, please let me know. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:10, sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jaime, On 04/05/2011 11:53, Jaime R. Garza wrote: Hi all, my application was rejected, apparently I haven't made non-trivial contributions to the TDF. :-( And you said it yourself in your application ;) Please, feel encouraged to go on with your contributions through this rejection, and don't forget to apply again when you have little more of them (discussion is difficult for us to quantify as a contribution, but depending on the issue of it, it could be too, no problem). Also next time, try to indicate people that can help to reference or endorse your contributions, that will help us to value them, we can't spend to much time digging every where to find the valuable information. Thanks for your understanding, and please don't feel sad, I'll be really happy to review your application again the next time. Kind regards Sophie Membership Committee Member -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 07:13, sb73...@libreofficeforum.org wrote: Hi again, Thanks to everyone who has expressed a balanced, objective opinion about this. I don't want to spend a lot time here arguing about ads. I understand that it's a sensitive subject, I'm sorry that some people disagree, and I respect their opinions. But I would like to mention that I don't really have any control over the ad content, that is determined by Google. That being said, It seems rather strange to refer to Microsoft Office as competition and to show such a level of contempt toward it. I personally do not own, use, or even like Microsoft Office. But it isn't a taboo, shady, spammy, startup job. Like it or not, it's the industry standard still, and will continue to be so for a long time. Irrational hatred and attempts to obliterate all references to Microsoft or any other commercial project are counterproductive and don't seem to agree with the free spirit around LibreOffice. I have made a conscientious, informed, intelligent decision to use LibreOffice instead of Microsoft Office, and no amount of forum ads will sway me. I would hope and expect that most other users of the forum will likewise have the presence of mind to make a rational decision based on their own needs. That's all for now. Thanks for reading! Sam from LibreOfficeForum.org Well, there is a Competitive Ad Filterhttp://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=21593for Google Ads, so that's not an excuse. It sould be just silly if there was no possibility to filter competitors. And just to clarify, MS Office is still the defacto standard, and The Document Foundation Community and LibreOffice community want to change that. Do you really think you help the cause by advertising MS Office? Your moral arguments are just not realistic, we all live in the real world, and competition exists!! Cheers! Jaime -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again
David, I feel that this is wrong, not on your part as you are only following directions. If this is the stand that the TDF wishes to take then there is going to be a lot of support lost. I really find all this discussion ridiculous, it should not be allowed to make advertising for the main competitor, it's a matter of common sense!!! Who would make advertising for their main competitor, my God!!! Please, I don't mean to be rude, but who ever thinks that the wrong direction, then I don't think he or she lives in the real world. And I humbly invite you to search for something else. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Forums... again
I got the instruction in Polish, that is funny, because my wife is polish! ;-) Cheers! On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 20:55, adept techlists - kazar techli...@ade.ptwrote: Also, Andy, please have a look at internationalizing the email one gets when one registers. It does not arrive in one's chosen language and, for me anyhow, I cannot read those instructions (in Czech or Polish or something, no insult intended to anyone's native language, most languages look the same to an uneducated American like me :-) ) thanks kazar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Forums... again
I have some doubts as to whether the two products will diverge now that Oracle has decided to end its involvement with OpenOffice.org . I suspect that at some point rather than let OOo just whither and die it will merge with The Document Foundation and the two will become essentially one. If that happens it might be a good idea to use both names, OOo could end up being the Windows version and LO the Linux and other OS version. Or something like that. Sorry, but I don't agree, LibreOffice is to stay and I couldn't care less about OpenOffice name. But that's just my opinion. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Info on membership application number
Where can I apply for a membership? On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 17:02, Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.comwrote: Hi all, Just for information, today, we have received approx 100 membership application requests. So please, all, go on, that's a good tempo, don't slow down ;) Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Info on membership application number
Thanks for the link! Let's see if they accept my application, my contributions are until now not so many. I'll try to change that soon! Jaime R. Garza On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 17:26, sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 20/04/2011 18:06, Jaime R. Garza wrote: Where can I apply for a membership? Here you are http://www.documentfoundation.org/application-for-tdf-community-membership/ Kind regards Sophie -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] growth of oracle friendship?
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 06:12, Joe Collura coll...@seapenguin.net wrote: hmm, maybe i am reading into this too much but steering seemed like the place to post this. i didnt see anything on the main oracle.com pressrelease page but in the Trond Arne Undheim blog (http://blogs.oracle.com/trond/) there is a post of 15 April 2011 appears to report an exerpt from an oracle newsrelease ( http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Oracle-Announces-Its-Intention-to-Move-OpenOfficeorg-to-a-Community-Based-Project-NASDAQ-ORCL-1428324.htm) the marketwire link shows as: REDWOOD SHORES, CA--(Marketwire - April 15, 2011) - **Oracle Corporation (NASDAQ: ORCL http://www.marketwire.com/mw/stock.jsp?Ticker=ORCL) today is announcing its intention to move OpenOffice.org http://ctt.marketwire.com/?release=744914id=248455type=1url=http%3a%2f%2fOpenOffice.org%2f to a purely community-based open source project and to no longer offer a commercial version of Open Office. Given the breadth of interest in free personal productivity applications and the rapid evolution of personal computing technologies, we believe the OpenOffice.org http://ctt.marketwire.com/?release=744914id=248458type=1url=http%3a%2f%2fOpenOffice.org%2f project would be best managed by an organization focused on serving that broad constituency on a non-commercial basis, said Edward Screven, Oracle's Chief Corporate Architect. We intend to begin working immediately with community members to further the continued success of Open Office. Oracle will continue to strongly support the adoption of open standards-based document formats, such as the Open Document Format (ODF). Oracle has a long history of investing in the development and support of open source products. We will continue to make large investments in open source technologies that are strategic to our customers including Linux and MySQL. Oracle is focused on Linux and MySQL because both of these products have won broad based adoption among commercial and government customers. fingers crossed on availability of name and birdy logo? If Oracle has now a change of heart, I don't think the Document Foundation should take the name. LibreOffice has now a better reputation than OpenOffice. It would be ridiculous and very confusing for many if suddently LibreOffice takes the name OpenOffice. The name OpenOffice is already connected to Oracle and their bad reputation of doing a lot of mistakes with OpenSource projects. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LO OO are not the only competitors of MSOffice... LO could also make a simple office suite that runs in Android iOS
For Android and iPhone it doesn't make sense to have the whole LO, only Clac, Writer Impress are needed urgently! If LO manages to place those three apps for Android, ODF will gain momentum. Cheers! On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 21:01, todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:36 AM, toki toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/04/2011 14:43, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: How much of LO would need to be ported since android is linux based as is? Basically, it needs to be rewritten in a language that can be compiled into Dalvik Bytecode. The usual language is Java, but at least one C++ compiler that accomplishes the same effect exists. If one c++ compiler already exists then wouldnt it be easy as just telling the compiler to compile? Almost certainly not, it most likely needs to be able to support the proper Android APIs to work properly. And that is only to get it working as-is, without any reworking of the UI to be better on a touch-based device. -Todd -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LO OO are not the only competitors of MSOffice... LO could also make a simple office suite that runs in Android iOS
I have a statement from Thinkfree, that they will support ODF in the next version. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:35, toki toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/04/2011 22:11, Denny wrote: When pointing out competitors, there are a lot more I think. One I would add to the list is Softmaker Office (http://www.softmaker.com) Looking at the app marketplace for my Android device. * Documents To Go; * OfficeSuite Pro; * QuickOffice Pro; * ThinkFree Office Mobile; * OliveOffice Premium; * AndroOffice: Claims to edit ODF Spreadsheets: This is a spreadsheet only application; * 8x8 Virtual Office: Office Suite in their cloud; * CloudDesk: Office suite in their cloud; * E-Cell xls Pro: Spreadsheet only; * Picsel Smart Office; * Netfront Life Documents; * Spreadsheet: Spreadsheet only; * Simple Spreadsheet: Spreadsheet only; * K2 Document Viewer: Does not edit documents; * VPC: Office Chrome; Unless otherwise stated, those programs do not support ODF files. jonathon - -- If Bing copied Google, there wouldn't be anything new worth requesting. If Bing did not copy Google, there wouldn't be anything relevant worth requesting. DaveJakeman 20110207 Groklaw. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNnEHmAAoJEERA7YuLpVrVB9IIAMjCopExypjtuu3Vq5D9/KuJ sYPfVXA32CQt9baHY5M1cCQEJnmaBnXIfpX2SUqZEIwbcXWsxjMswo7V3aUlx84k C7F6IvGXlKhPODs+rxXHKsXBEnNVMOcgKxn2ViYNItfjq9Hqloc1tacY8ZYYc0eE rWVJbqB8IYHT7+BAF9uLlrPDUOLv/cANQIpkWi5hx8FhNvYriraaSELvhQX6V8If 2K2Ztxp7fRWbTFXlOJmtQXgUxFglvEy1ArX4DzHp8uDfAFSx89NQmsTRjEpQ1T/Y qfgubHSWkoEo4Uwc6JwqY73wWWOhc/JiRYolbbnQxf9a62PtX37bGtViXrMluu4= =OThP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LO OO are not the only competitors of MSOffice... LO could also make a simple office suite that runs in Android iOS
On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 11:53, Valter Mura valterm...@gmail.com wrote: In data giovedì 31 marzo 2011 17:32:45, Jaime R. Garza ha scritto: Please, don't top quote. This said, are any of you involved in business? If so, maybe you use a Blackberry phone. So let's start to think to create *also* a light version for Blackberry OS. Enterprises would also accept to pay a little fee for it, helping its development and the foundation, I suppose. Ciao -- Valter Registered Linux User #466410 http://counter.li.org Kubuntu Linux: www.kubuntu.org LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org OpenOffice.org: www.openoffice.org About the top quote, it this how it's supposed to be? Isn't it better the other way? At least for me it is. About being involved in a business, yes I am, I work for a large company (around 400,000 employees). About the Blackberry, I really think is more important to see into the future, where Android iPhone will dominate, even in the Business. And please don't forget that even RIM (makers of Blackberry) has decided to produce compatibility to Android apps. We are are analyzing which Office Suite to use for non-Windows devices, and probably Thinkfree is going to win, since there is no other real contender. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LO OO are not the only competitors of MSOffice... LO could also make a simple office suite that runs in Android iOS
On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 15:54, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Jaime, Le Sun, 3 Apr 2011 12:16:48 +0200, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit : If you work for such a large corporation/entity, then perhaps your employer would be interested in funding the initiative of porting LibreOffice to mobile platform(s), or even send in some developers. Otherwise we will have to do this on our own timing and resources I'm afraid. Best, -- Charles-H. Schulz Membre du Comité exécutif The Document Foundation. Saddly they are not willing to wait, they want something that's already there now and working. So that's why it seem that they will go with Thinkfree for now. Because it has a great intercompatibility with MSOffice 2003 formats and it runns on everything, even Android iPads. The license costs of Thinkfree are extremely low in comparison with MSOffice. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] LO OO are not the only competitors of MSOffice... LO could also make a simple office suite that runs in Android iOS
Dear all, I have read that some of you believe there are no other true competitors to MSOffice, but LO OO. There is a simple Office Suite (simple because it only has spreadsheet, wordprocessor and presentations) but is becoming very popular, specially in the enterprise, since it runs everywhere, including iOS (iPhones iPads) and Android phones and tablets. The name of this Office Suite is: Thinkfree http://www.thinkfree.com/ It would be great if there was a simple version of LO with only these three apps and that would run under Android iOS. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted*
Re: [tdf-discuss] LO OO are not the only competitors of MSOffice... LO could also make a simple office suite that runs in Android iOS
Hello Stefan , disadvise? It's not about advise or not, is about platform-independence! Thinkfree has great compatibility with MS formats (still the defacto-standards) and runs in all platforms including Android and iOS. The advise here is that LO developers should try to focus on making those three 3 apps available as soon as possible for Android iOS. (1) They plan to support ODF on the next version. (2) Yes, exactly as MSOffice ;-) On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 16:21, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: Hi, Am 31.03.2011 15:39, schrieb Jaime R. Garza: The name of this Office Suite is: Thinkfree http://www.thinkfree.com/ (1) It does not support the ISO Standard for document file formats, does it? (2) It is proprietary software, isn't? For me, two heavy reasons to disadvise this software. ;-) Stefan :-) -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted* -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted*
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Support for Office 2003 file formats (WordML, SpreadsheetML
In my opinion Must, Should, Could, Completely Irrelevant: - *Must*: RTF - *Must*: MS Office 97/2000/XP Binary - *Completely Irrelevant*: MS Office 2003 XML - *Should*: OOXML ECMA-376 / ISO/IEC 29500 Transitional - *Must*: OOXML ISO/IEC 29500 Strict Cheers! Jaime On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 09:13, Peter Jentsch pj...@guineapics.de wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 17:23:01 +0100, Jaime R. Garza wrote: Hi, I think I left out some important detail to at least make the question not look completely braindead: LibO AFAIK currently supports at least 4 different MS file interchange formats: - RTF - MS Office 97/2000/XP Binary - MS Office 2003 XML - OO XML Each format is supported using different technological approaches, and although my knowledge of all of them is very superficial, I suppose it's quite an effort to maintain all of them. Looking at the implementation of the Excel 2003 XML import filter showed that it is very unlikely somebody ever has been able to import spreadsheets larger than a couple of hundred rows using that filter. (looking at the Word 2003 ML import and export filters while porting them to use a different XSLT processor showed that they too are broken in some respect in both OOo and LibO). Which made me wonder if that particular format is in very wide use. I googled for it, but found no information on how widespread Office 2003 XML is in use currently, but figured that Microsoft offers compatibility packs for Office 2003 to support OOXML, which superceded Office 2003 XML. The technological basis of the OOXML import and export filters looks far more promising than that of the Office 2003 XMLs filter - - - thus my question. To make the question look even less threatening: I'm absolutely not in the position to make a decision about further supporting Office 2003 XML, I'm just very curious to find out how dearly it is needed (actually I'm asking this to get an indication on how to fix the problem with the Excel 2003 import filter: improve the Office 2003 filters to not hang indefinitely when importing larger files, or just make it possible to abort a running import). So... cheers, and thanks for the feedback :-) Peter On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 17:23:01 +0100, Jaime R. Garza wrote: Hi Peter, I don't really understand the logic behind your suggestion. You want LO to drop support for the defacto-standard file format??? I don't really see any good reason for doing such a completely strategically wrong decision. Cheers! Jaime On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 16:36, Peter Jentsch pj...@guineapics.de wrote: Hi, I'm currently investigating a bug with the Excel 2003 import filter (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35543). Looking closer at the filter and how much work needed to be done to improve it, and considering the fact that Office 2003 ML has been superseeded by OOXML, fixing that bug feels like flogging a dead horse. I'd rather suggest to drop Office 2003 support in LibO altogether and instead focus on improving OOXML and HTML import/export. For anybody with a large library of Office 2003 XML documents not wanting to upgrade to MS Office 2007/2010, Microsoft offers a compatibility pack that allows to open and save OOXML from MS Office 2003. What do you think? Peter -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Support for Office 2003 file formats (WordML, SpreadsheetML
Hi Peter, I don't really understand the logic behind your suggestion. You want LO to drop support for the defacto-standard file format??? I don't really see any good reason for doing such a completely strategically wrong decision. Cheers! Jaime On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 16:36, Peter Jentsch pj...@guineapics.de wrote: Hi, I'm currently investigating a bug with the Excel 2003 import filter (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35543). Looking closer at the filter and how much work needed to be done to improve it, and considering the fact that Office 2003 ML has been superseeded by OOXML, fixing that bug feels like flogging a dead horse. I'd rather suggest to drop Office 2003 support in LibO altogether and instead focus on improving OOXML and HTML import/export. For anybody with a large library of Office 2003 XML documents not wanting to upgrade to MS Office 2007/2010, Microsoft offers a compatibility pack that allows to open and save OOXML from MS Office 2003. What do you think? Peter -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] How difficult is it to port Libreoffice to theAndroid Tablets? Is there any plan yet?
As I have mentioned before, I think, the best solution would be to make a HTML5 based LO! On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 21:27, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: Linux on Arm is not the same as LibreOffice on ARM. My N900 runs Debian Linux on Arm, but it has X connected to it. Without it, LibO won't run. Thats the issue we had earlier with OOo on OSX. On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Chao Sun sunc...@redoffice.com wrote: Hello Alexandro, However, I would rather see some code, and not just ideas. My question is when will u launch a proof of concept, or at least try? We are typing some code now. However, firstly we need to do the cross compile part. And some issues need to address. I've heard the linux on ARM has already been done. And if anybody have access to those assembly code. Or have clue where we should headed, please ring the bell. Cheers Chao Cheers! Jaime On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:56, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/4 Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com In my humble opinion it will be great to have the UI separated from all the rest. Think of WebKit in the Browser! That would allow to have a QT UI, a GTK UI, a Multitouch UI, etc. There are two projects already underway with this goal in mind: WebODFhttp://www.webodf.org/and ODFKit http://gitorious.org/odfkit (WebODF seems to be an evolution of ODFKit, and although it uses web technologies, it's still suitable for desktop and mobile applications). On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 02:52, Chaosun sunc...@redoffice.com wrote: Well, I had a quite long chat with tml_ regarding the porting to Android issue. The truth is that we are planning to have a try. However the workload is tremendous due to the loss of UI. Also to fit the platform, we need a complete redesign on UE. The possible works would be: 1. Get rid of all the UI related modules such as vcl, sfx2, framework and corresponding services etc. 2. A engine like LibreOffice, no UI, only provides APIs for further development. 3. Create a UI for multitouch devices Just name a few. no one is a easy work. Also, I'd like to hear from you. Please do advice! Regards Chao -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] How difficult is it to port Libreoffice to theAndroid Tablets? Is there any plan yet?
In my humble opinion it will be great to have the UI separated from all the rest. Think of WebKit in the Browser! That would allow to have a QT UI, a GTK UI, a Multitouch UI, etc. On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 02:52, Chaosun sunc...@redoffice.com wrote: Well, I had a quite long chat with tml_ regarding the porting to Android issue. The truth is that we are planning to have a try. However the workload is tremendous due to the loss of UI. Also to fit the platform, we need a complete redesign on UE. The possible works would be: 1. Get rid of all the UI related modules such as vcl, sfx2, framework and corresponding services etc. 2. A engine like LibreOffice, no UI, only provides APIs for further development. 3. Create a UI for multitouch devices Just name a few. no one is a easy work. Also, I'd like to hear from you. Please do advice! Regards Chao -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] How difficult is it to port Libreoffice to theAndroid Tablets? Is there any plan yet?
Hello Mirek, Thanks for the infos but they are not under The Document Foundation umbrella, are they? will they? could they? Cheers! Jaime On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:56, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/4 Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com In my humble opinion it will be great to have the UI separated from all the rest. Think of WebKit in the Browser! That would allow to have a QT UI, a GTK UI, a Multitouch UI, etc. There are two projects already underway with this goal in mind: WebODFhttp://www.webodf.org/and ODFKit http://gitorious.org/odfkit (WebODF seems to be an evolution of ODFKit, and although it uses web technologies, it's still suitable for desktop and mobile applications). On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 02:52, Chaosun sunc...@redoffice.com wrote: Well, I had a quite long chat with tml_ regarding the porting to Android issue. The truth is that we are planning to have a try. However the workload is tremendous due to the loss of UI. Also to fit the platform, we need a complete redesign on UE. The possible works would be: 1. Get rid of all the UI related modules such as vcl, sfx2, framework and corresponding services etc. 2. A engine like LibreOffice, no UI, only provides APIs for further development. 3. Create a UI for multitouch devices Just name a few. no one is a easy work. Also, I'd like to hear from you. Please do advice! Regards Chao -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] How difficult is it to port Libreoffice to theAndroid Tablets? Is there any plan yet?
Hello Mirek, now that I read in detail, both are only viewers, I'm talking about Office Suite functionality, not only viewers. Cheers! Jaime On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:56, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/4 Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com In my humble opinion it will be great to have the UI separated from all the rest. Think of WebKit in the Browser! That would allow to have a QT UI, a GTK UI, a Multitouch UI, etc. There are two projects already underway with this goal in mind: WebODFhttp://www.webodf.org/and ODFKit http://gitorious.org/odfkit (WebODF seems to be an evolution of ODFKit, and although it uses web technologies, it's still suitable for desktop and mobile applications). On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 02:52, Chaosun sunc...@redoffice.com wrote: Well, I had a quite long chat with tml_ regarding the porting to Android issue. The truth is that we are planning to have a try. However the workload is tremendous due to the loss of UI. Also to fit the platform, we need a complete redesign on UE. The possible works would be: 1. Get rid of all the UI related modules such as vcl, sfx2, framework and corresponding services etc. 2. A engine like LibreOffice, no UI, only provides APIs for further development. 3. Create a UI for multitouch devices Just name a few. no one is a easy work. Also, I'd like to hear from you. Please do advice! Regards Chao -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] How difficult is it to port Libreoffice to theAndroid Tablets? Is there any plan yet?
Hello Alexandro, The difference is that if you separate all that, then anyone has the freedom of making their own UI (e.g. QT, GTK, Multitouch, etc.) If it's not separated, then everything has to be constantly ported or shared for new versions. Cheers! Jaime On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:16, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Chaosun sunc...@redoffice.com wrote: If you going to get rid of all that, what is the difference of just making an Android native office suite and borrow the code whenever seen fit. Don't you think? Well, I had a quite long chat with tml_ regarding the porting to Android issue. The truth is that we are planning to have a try. However the workload is tremendous due to the loss of UI. Also to fit the platform, we need a complete redesign on UE. The possible works would be: 1. Get rid of all the UI related modules such as vcl, sfx2, framework and corresponding services etc. 2. A engine like LibreOffice, no UI, only provides APIs for further development. 3. Create a UI for multitouch devices Just name a few. no one is a easy work. Also, I'd like to hear from you. Please do advice! Regards Chao -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] How difficult is it to port Libreoffice to the Android Tablets? Is there any plan yet?
Hello, just wondering, how difficult is it to port LibreOffice to the Android Tablets? Is there any plan already? Cheers! Jaime -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] How difficult is it to port Libreoffice to the Android Tablets? Is there any plan yet?
Hello, I know there is already an Alpha QT port for Android, but I don't know of a GTK port. Anyone know something about this? If LibreOffice runs in the Android Tablet, that would be a defining factor for the future!! I belive, this should be taken as high priority!! Cheers! Jaime On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:35, Robert Nagy rob...@openbsd.org wrote: If gtk is available on Android then it would not be that hard, otherwise the whole UI has to be ported to what Android is using. On (2011-03-03 11:21), Jaime R. Garza wrote: Hello, just wondering, how difficult is it to port LibreOffice to the Android Tablets? Is there any plan already? Cheers! Jaime -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: missing debs on ppa
Dear Bjoern, I think a lot of people though it was an official LibreOffice PPA for Ubuntu, not an official Canonical package: http://www.silicongadget.com/guides/software-guides/office-suites/install-libreoffice-on-ubuntu-using-the-official-repository/2097/ http://www.silicongadget.com/guides/software-guides/office-suites/install-libreoffice-on-ubuntu-using-the-official-repository/2097/ Cheers! Jaime On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 14:16, Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote: Hi, On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:54:33 -0600 Sonic4Spuds sonic4sp...@gmail.com wrote: Just checked synaptic and all of the files in the ppa are listed as version 3.3.0.0 rc4. Also made sure that it is getting the latest list from the ppa. There are natty versions for 3.3.1. Beware of partial updates however: Currently there is amd64 build for 3.3.1~rc2-1ubuntu2 fnished in the ppa, while the i386 build (which also builds the arch independant stuff like libreoffice-java-common) is not finished yet. Backports for maverick will be added later. The ppa name is listed as lp-ppa-libreoffice/maverick if there is a different ppa that is official and the one I have is not then let me know. just to clarify: there is nothing official about a ppa by definition. If it is official, it is in the main repository. Best Regards, Bjoern -- https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: missing debs on ppa
Dear Bjoern, I don't think anyone is trying to make you responsible for anything, ;-) We just kindly ask when would the 3.3.1 version be available in the PPA? Cheers! Jaime On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 15:36, Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote: Hi Jaime, Hi all, On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:33:23 +0100 Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com wrote: I think a lot of people though it was an official LibreOffice PPA for Ubuntu, not an official Canonical package: http://www.silicongadget.com/guides/software-guides/office-suites/install-libreoffice-on-ubuntu-using-the-official-repository/2097/ http://www.silicongadget.com/guides/software-guides/office-suites/install-libreoffice-on-ubuntu-using-the-official-repository/2097/ well, the ppa is different from most other ppas as it is the ppa of the libreoffice packaging team at Ubuntu. That is: it is the stuff we as a team intend to put in the main repositories in the end. However: As https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa itself describes it best: LibreOffice test builds and backports. Thats pretty clear. Please do not hold me accountable for any journalist calling it different to make a good headline. Yes, Canonical and Ubuntu will support Libreoffice, but we will not race out a release to the main repositories, just so that we can claim to be first(*). Best Regards, Bjoern (*) If you dont care about the final stabilization fixes, you could build an rc1 yourself and you will have your (almost) release a week earlier. But if you wait for the final for a week, you should also wait another day or two for the distribution adjustments. -- https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Oracle Contributor Agreement and LibreOffice contributions
I think it's inevitable that more and more differences of opinion will arise, so I also believe LO should start their own independent path. Just my 2c, ;-) Jaime On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 16:51, Phil Hibbs sna...@gmail.com wrote: Kohei: That's the wrong assumption I was trying to point out. It's not always applied as-is, and in fact it's rare that patches be accepted as is. Even we don't do that too often. Nonetheless, saying it's better for us if you don't submit your patches to OOo is kind of like saying Lets hope OOo don't spot this bug/issue. It's ethically dubious. If this is the official approach, then why not just make a clean break with OOo and not even try to merge in any future OOo code changes with the LO code? Phil Hibbs. -- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Hyperlinks are not saved on PPT files
Hello all, I think this is very important and shouldn't be so difficult to correct. When I edit a PPT file on LibreOffice and I add a Hyperlink to a text, then save it in it original fileformat (PPT). After closing the PPT file and opening it again, the Hyperlinks are all gone! I don't know if it's already filed as a bug, but it definitely should be. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Congratulations my suggestion for the next versions
Exactly, that's my point, having a HTML5 GUI, you can install it locally or
in the cloud. You can always install it in a desktop for offline usage.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 21:07, Zaphod Feeblejocks zapho...@gmail.comwrote:
1 - Port to a Web based interface (HTML5)
As I said before I really believe that on-premise solutions are going to
become irrelevant in some time, when Zoho, GoogleDocs, etc. are mature
In many cases, this will be true - but not all.
I have worked with many people in the 'developing world', who rarely have
access to a high
bandwidth connection and who are limited to old, low-spec hardware. I even
know some
who still use Win98 ('because it works').
There is a definate case for supporting 'the cloud'. There is also a clear
case for not
forgetting non-cloud users. A product that supports both sets is good.
zf
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Congratulations my suggestion for the next versions
Hi, Are you talking about a public free cloud? Nobody needs to offer that, as I say, any desktop can work as it's own server, so anyone can install it locally, having a little cloud installed in their own desktop. And if, a company wants to offer it on a server for many people, it will work too. Do you understand what I mean? Any vendor could provide a SaaS solution too. Look at Zimbra (PIM), for example, they have a full functional web interface. Enterprises are looking to reduce TCO with public or private clouds, so that they don't have to manage and administer clients. Cheers! On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 22:39, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: On Thu Jan 27 2011 13:32:42 GMT-0800 (PST) Jaime R. Garza wrote: Exactly, that's my point, having a HTML5 GUI, you can install it locally or in the cloud. You can always install it in a desktop for offline usage. And just who is going to put up the money to pay for this cloud? I, for one, do not have several thousand dollars(US) to pay for such. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Congratulations my suggestion for the next versions
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 23:15, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: On Thu Jan 27 2011 14:03:35 GMT-0800 (PST) Jaime R. Garza wrote: Hi, Are you talking about a public free cloud? Nobody needs to offer that, as I say, any desktop can work as it's own server, so anyone can install it locally, having a little cloud installed in their own desktop. And if, a company wants to offer it on a server for many people, it will work too. Do you understand what I mean? Any vendor could provide a SaaS solution too. Look at Zimbra (PIM), for example, they have a full functional web interface. Enterprises are looking to reduce TCO with public or private clouds, so that they don't have to manage and administer clients. Cheers! What is wrong with options that already work? There are online sources that offer OSS that you can connect to, as an example www.gopc.net . They have a full setup that looks like a Linux desktop. Apps include OOo, ThunderBird and FireFox just to name a few. This would also reduce the TCO for a business as they do not have to maintain the servers that the programs run on. Why do people try to keep reinventing the wheel? It has been done and works, make improvements but not redo all the work. As stated gopc.net is only one source available. Companies are not putting sensible information out in the cloud, they want private clouds. There is GoogleDocs, Zoho, IBM's future ODF cloud based Office, Oracle has already an offer. I assume this companies will offer dedicated clouds. I personally believe an HTML5 interface will make LibreOffice more competitive, it could be one version that works on any platform, even on your local desktop. The problem with sharing a whole desktop is that if you are in a big company you need much more resources. There is an interesting OSS product called ULTEO, which basically does that, but that's just virtualization. The goal of many companies now is to have all standard apps completely web-based. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Congratulations my suggestion for the next versions
Hello all, I'm very happy with the release of LibreOffice, and I want to congratulate all of you for the great job done!! Now I would like to make some suggestions for the next versions: Priority Suggestion 1 - Notification of updates and updates with patches, instead of having to download the whole thing 1 - Port to a Web based interface (HTML5) As I said before I really believe that on-premise solutions are going to become irrelevant in some time, when Zoho, GoogleDocs, etc. are mature enough. Please seriously think about makin a HTML5 interface, which will allow both local installations in the cloud. Schöne Grüsse / Cheers / Saludos Jaime -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info
Hello all, for when is it planned to have Automatic Update for Windows Mac LibreOffice, for Linux usually makes no sense? My opinion, the user should be able to decide if it's completely Automatic, or they only get an info pop window, offering a one click update. Cheers! Jaime -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info
Why not make a simple solution in the meantime? Only tell the user there is a new version, and a link to the new version. Obviously the installable of the new version should be able to automatically de-install the old version. That should be actually very easy, don't you think so? Cheers! On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:09, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Jaime, Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:49:03 +0100, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello all, for when is it planned to have Automatic Update for Windows Mac LibreOffice, for Linux usually makes no sense? My opinion, the user should be able to decide if it's completely Automatic, or they only get an info pop window, offering a one click update. Cheers! Jaime It would be an excellent idea, and many thought about it, but the question is how feasible it is. I'm sure it is possible but it requires quite a lot of resources, time, etc. So don't expect it in the 3.4... best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info
I have LibreOffice 3.3.0 rc3 and I was not notified of the rc4. On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:17, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Actually that does already exist, if I'm not misstaken, except it does not do anything with uninstall the old version. But there's an alert on the desktop that notifies the user when there's a new version (same with extensions btw). Best, Charles. Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:08:58 +0100, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit : Why not make a simple solution in the meantime? Only tell the user there is a new version, and a link to the new version. Obviously the installable of the new version should be able to automatically de-install the old version. That should be actually very easy, don't you think so? Cheers! On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:09, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Jaime, Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:49:03 +0100, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello all, for when is it planned to have Automatic Update for Windows Mac LibreOffice, for Linux usually makes no sense? My opinion, the user should be able to decide if it's completely Automatic, or they only get an info pop window, offering a one click update. Cheers! Jaime It would be an excellent idea, and many thought about it, but the question is how feasible it is. I'm sure it is possible but it requires quite a lot of resources, time, etc. So don't expect it in the 3.4... best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info
I would love to, if I could! Maybe I'll have to learn how to make extensions and probably make one. If it's already implemented for the stable releases, why not add it to the RCs too, as optional? Cheers! On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:06, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: It does work only for stable releases (unless we dumped that update component???) . Anyway, if you have any ideas on the implementation of such a feature, you're welcome to upload a patch :-) Best, Charles. Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:51:36 +0100, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit : I have LibreOffice 3.3.0 rc3 and I was not notified of the rc4. On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:17, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Actually that does already exist, if I'm not misstaken, except it does not do anything with uninstall the old version. But there's an alert on the desktop that notifies the user when there's a new version (same with extensions btw). Best, Charles. Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:08:58 +0100, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit : Why not make a simple solution in the meantime? Only tell the user there is a new version, and a link to the new version. Obviously the installable of the new version should be able to automatically de-install the old version. That should be actually very easy, don't you think so? Cheers! On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:09, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Jaime, Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:49:03 +0100, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello all, for when is it planned to have Automatic Update for Windows Mac LibreOffice, for Linux usually makes no sense? My opinion, the user should be able to decide if it's completely Automatic, or they only get an info pop window, offering a one click update. Cheers! Jaime It would be an excellent idea, and many thought about it, but the question is how feasible it is. I'm sure it is possible but it requires quite a lot of resources, time, etc. So don't expect it in the 3.4... best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%25252bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info
Where does it exist? Which plugin? Someone here could implement it? On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 15:02, m...@crazyhstudio.net wrote: Hey guys, I thought that directly. But i wanted to put the information out there, the principe and software exists as Plugin and could be easy implemented on a Ported version. Thanks Charles, That's exactly my point, specifically, I have to use Windows at work and would like to be notified from new versions, at home I have no problem since my Linux desktop check the repository for new updates. Obviously if I have a stable version installed, I don't expect to be notified for RCs, but if I have an RC version installed I would expect to be notified for any new versions. Cheers! Jaime On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:41, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: So, we're talking about some discussions that took place during the OpenOffice time, a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away :-) I don't remember why we had chosen not to implement it for betas/RC , there was supposedly a good reason for that but I completely forgot about it. Let me ask anyway. @Mike: apps that notifies users when another software can be updated exist a lot on the mac but here Jaime was mentioning one specific feature of LibreOffice that notifies the user directly and, possibly, updates LibO by itself. best, Charles. Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:06:46 +0100, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit : I would love to, if I could! Maybe I'll have to learn how to make extensions and probably make one. If it's already implemented for the stable releases, why not add it to the RCs too, as optional? Cheers! On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:06, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: It does work only for stable releases (unless we dumped that update component???) . Anyway, if you have any ideas on the implementation of such a feature, you're welcome to upload a patch :-) Best, Charles. Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:51:36 +0100, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit : I have LibreOffice 3.3.0 rc3 and I was not notified of the rc4. On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:17, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Actually that does already exist, if I'm not misstaken, except it does not do anything with uninstall the old version. But there's an alert on the desktop that notifies the user when there's a new version (same with extensions btw). Best, Charles. Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:08:58 +0100, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit : Why not make a simple solution in the meantime? Only tell the user there is a new version, and a link to the new version. Obviously the installable of the new version should be able to automatically de-install the old version. That should be actually very easy, don't you think so? Cheers! On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:09, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Jaime, Le Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:49:03 +0100, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello all, for when is it planned to have Automatic Update for Windows Mac LibreOffice, for Linux usually makes no sense? My opinion, the user should be able to decide if it's completely Automatic, or they only get an info pop window, offering a one click update. Cheers! Jaime It would be an excellent idea, and many thought about it, but the question is how feasible it is. I'm sure it is possible but it requires quite a lot of resources, time, etc. So don't expect it in the 3.4... best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%25252bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%25252bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%25252bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%25252bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2525252bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%25252bh...@documentfoundation.org
Re: [tdf-discuss] Automatic Update / Update info
Hallo Rene, You also need Admin rights to install under Windows, but that's not the point. The point is that the user should be notified that there is a new version. If he or she can install it, that's not our problem. Schöne Grüsse / Cheers / Saludos Jaime On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:41, Rene Engelhard rene.engelh...@documentfoundation.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:57:33AM +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: I second this as required. I think even Linux but then that will be distro specific. No. You need root for install, you use the office as user (everything else is broken), you therefore can't ^auto-update because you don't have root rights. (And asking for them from inside LibO would imho be questionable) Grüße/Regards, René -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] connecting external services to our domain
From my point of view, Alfresco is great, but just for better understanding, who is sponsoring your server? What would be your benefit? And how can you warranty the uptime and performance and for how long? Cheers! On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 15:02, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi Florian, :-) All the active members of the docs team have accounts on the Alfresco site I'm hosting right now. There is a general consensus/willingness to use it, and people have already started trying it out for actual work. Putting it under a TDF sub-domain will only further strengthen people's commitment to uptake. We're ready to start a pilot work project, using the workflow that has been developed. We have a system set up with: - a custom-designed workflow for the docs team, developed by a professional Alfresco developer and a member of the docs team, - full git-like versioning, - rollback, - discussion around documents, - full built-in support for ODF/OOo/LibreOffice file formats, - simple usage (publication/updating) for users via the use of an existing plugin for OOo/LibO that lets you collaborate right from within the LibO applications, - sophisticated searching capability, that can extend right into hosted documents. Basically, we have all the sophisticated functionality we need for properly-managed, automation-assisted documentation development and prepping for publication, with the potential ability to interface with a variety of outside systems, such as directly with the LibreOffice code repository... It would be a great tool for producing developer documentation in the future, in addition to the user documentation the docs team is now working on. It could also be used for easy management of HTML content on TDF servers (documentfoundation.org, for instance), and for a variety of other purposes. Using Alfresco, we will be able to develop all our documentation and many other kinds of content in-house, and we will acquire expertise and autonomy within the LibreOffice project and docs team. The advantages of hosting it on my server would be as follows: 1) It's quite a complicated package to set-up and configure. It is quite memory-hungry. On my server, it is already fully operational. No workload or worry for you. Version upgrades will be done whenever I want, without putting workload and responsibility on you. 2) On my server, it is running within an environment that is simple to manage. No problems of conflicts with the many other software products that TDF runs. You get none of the complications that would inevitably exist with integrating Alfresco into a TDF server. 3) I have access to 24/7 professional technical support, with in-house Alfresco expertise. Any problems can be troubleshot within minutes, at any time of day or night, with no problems of people on vacation, sick, etc. 4) On my server, I have full root access and full control over all the other software running on the server. I can't have that on a TDF server. 5) On my server, I can peacefully reboot the system at any time and, generally, do anything I want, without having to worry about other users, running software, etc. And one does need to anticipate occasional *total* system outages during the running-in period. 6) On my server, I can do memory and disk space upgrades 24/7 within minutes. That kind of turnaround will not be available on a TDF server. 7) The server is hosted in a secure data center in the UK, and automated backups are taken at regular intervals, under my control. 8) You and Christian already have admin access to the Alfresco back end. You can also both have permanent SSH user accounts to inspect the server, suggest security improvements, etc. But you will find pretty much the same security arrangements as I found on documentfoundation.org. 9) I undertake to provide TDF with the best-possible service, and to work on building a strong docs team and documentation base for LibreOffice. I will also make a major effort in the future to expand the number of active docs contributors within the LibreOffice project. If you agree, the sub-domain name I would suggest would be alfresco.libreoffice.org. What do you think? ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgsteering-discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] connecting external services to our domain
Come on, an Alfresco image is even offered by Amazon, you can download the Community version, which is certified only to work with OpenSource, so the only problem is that it doesn't work with proprietary SW (e.g. Windows). You can try it out yourself: http://www.alfresco.com/try/ There are other big, medium small vendors offering services and integrating Alfresco to their business. And here you find the SourceCode: http://wiki.alfresco.com/wiki/Source_Code Cheers! On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 15:47, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.comwrote: On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 13:45 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: So, don't take this as a refusal, but just a question for the ease of use: Would theoretically hosting Alfresco on one of our servers also be an option to consider, or do you see huge advantages of having it on yours? JFWIW - Alfresco looks like an OpenOffice.org-like, single-vendor dominated, copyright-assignment-based, pseudo-Free-Software project to me :-) As such, I'm no fan of it personally; but luckily I don't have to use it ;-) so if there is nothing else that works well for the job perhaps we have to. Do we have to run it ourselves though ? [ surely we could just give a domain-name re-direct to David's existing machine ]. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgsteering-discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Features enterprises will love to have in LibreOffice
Hello, I believe the best feature for the enterprise will be to port LibreOffice to HTML5, this could be also installed locally in the clients, needing just a browser to run. If LibreOffice doesn't go in direction WebBased, it will be soon irrelevant in the enterprise (as soon as Google Docs, MS Docs, Zoho, Oracle cloud Office, IBM Cloud Office, etc. are mature enough), since Enterprises want to deliver Standard Applications directly in the browser, with no need to administer on premise installations and support. Cheers! On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:23, Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi I have collected some features enteprises will love to have implemented in LibreOffice and listed them in http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Crazy_Ideas#Features_Enterprises_Will_Love_To_Have_Implemented Some are quite easy to implement, other may require a longer time for development, but all are based on real demand from people that use LibreOffice in a enterprise production environment. That is, they are not crazy ideas at all. :-) Regards -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Steering Commitee Member - The Document Foundation Voicing the enterprise Translation Leader for Brazilian Portuguese -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Features enterprises will love to have in LibreOffice
Hello Christoph, sorry, but an HTML5 LibreOffice could be also installed locally in a client, as I said before. And the LibreOffice Community will only have to maintain one HTLM5 version for any platform. Now there are 3 versions, Linux, Mac, Windows. So, as conclusion, a HTML5 LibreOffice has following advantages: - SaaS - HTML5 also allows offline usage, basically the Google Gears Technology is being implemented into HTML5 - Local installation is also possible in any desktop! - Platform-independent - Only one main version for all! Saving the parallel development Cheers! Jaime On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:15, Christophe Strobbe christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be wrote: At 11:48 19/01/2011, Jaime R. Garza wrote: Hello, I believe the best feature for the enterprise will be to port LibreOffice to HTML5, this could be also installed locally in the clients, needing just a browser to run. If LibreOffice doesn't go in direction WebBased, it will be soon irrelevant in the enterprise (...) The enterprise is not the only (potential) user of LibreOffice. There is a significant part of the world that does not want to or cannot depend on network connections for every type of work, e.g. because not everyone is on the Internet [1] or because they have their own reasons for not using software as a service. [1] http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats1.htm, http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats3.htm Best regards, Christophe Strobbe Cheers! On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:23, Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi I have collected some features enteprises will love to have implemented in LibreOffice and listed them in http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Crazy_Ideas#Features_Enterprises_Will_Love_To_Have_Implemented Some are quite easy to implement, other may require a longer time for development, but all are based on real demand from people that use LibreOffice in a enterprise production environment. That is, they are not crazy ideas at all. :-) Regards -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Steering Commitee Member - The Document Foundation -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 http://www.docarch.be/ Twitter: @RabelaisA11y --- Better products and services through end-user empowerment www.usem-net.eu - www.stand4all.eu --- Please don't invite me to Facebook, Quechup or other social networks. You may have agreed to their privacy policy, but I haven't. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] connecting external services to our domain
I'm all for security and stability, but I would expect that OSS is prefered over Proprietary services like Google Apps. On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 19:03, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, as soon as some service is hosted at the LibO or TDF domain or is otherwise linked, anything bad that happens will be reflected on us (and might even cause liability issues). So, I'd like to have some stable security provided... Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgsteering-discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] connecting external services to our domain
What do you mean by My server has excellent 24/7 technical support.? Is your server @ Amazon or other amazon like Company? For a Document Management System DMS, I will definitely suggest to use Alfresco in a secure place which guarantees 24/7 up time and support, but definitely not a home server. I really don't think there is any OSS solution better than Alfresco out there for DMS. And even if for some reason you need to migrate from one Alfresco server to another, it's not so difficult. So I'll propose to define Alfresco as DMS and now we need to find a secure, stable and reliable server, with mirrors, etc. Cheers! Jaime On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 23:07, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote: Hi, :-) The situation is that the workflow can already be considered to be 80% or 90% complete, and the next step will be some pilot testing with actual work on documentation content, which could start later this week. In parallel, I'd also been planning to throw open an invite to i18n people who might be interested in Alfresco as a tool for their work. That might require the development of a separate workflow, depending on what usage was envisioned. But what seems to be the active core of the documentation team does not seem to be at all averse to adopting Alfresco for documentation work. Personally, I'm perfectly happy to operate the Alfresco site on my server, and to grant all appropriate access to relevant TDF SC members at OS level. I had suggested alfresco.libreoffice.org for the sub-domain. However, I will - of course - cooperate fully with whatever decision the SC takes. The main need would be to take a decision fairy soon, before the number of user accounts, the sophistication of the workflow and the mass of data and content reach a point at which migration becomes a bigger task. You would probably find it useful to know that installing and setting-up Alfresco is a not-inconsiderable process, and that you want a minimum of 1 Gigabyte of memory, with 2 to 3 being recommended to me for a busier system. My server has excellent 24/7 technical support. Thoughts? David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgsteering-discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice version for Android platform
Hello Tom, My name is Jaime. I would be really interested in using the backend for a Chrome Extension. I hope it's ok that I contact you in the next days to ask you for details. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 08:36, Tom Tasche tomtas...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, My name is Tom. I'm the developer of OpenOffice Document Reader for Android. It's correct that my app is a frontend of JOpenDocument , but not the one you mean. ;) This one is the one I'm using: https://github.com/andiwand/JOpenDocument It's written by a colleague. It translates OpenDocuments to HTML , so we can display this very easily on any device. You could use our backend for things like a Chrome Extension too. Feel free to contribute! However, I think it would be better to create a whole website... BTW, the version available at Android Market is more recent than F-Droid. Have a nice day Tom PS: Your 80 characters per line restriction drives me crazy! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
i think it would be great to have a HTML5 LO, which will only need a browser. The could be installed locallz or on a server. There would only be need for one version that supports the 4 major browsers. At least we should start with a ODF reader, it doesn't have to be a plugin, it can be a HTML5 application. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 10:00, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: What would be better if more difficult would be to have a Writer/Calc plugin to Firefox using the extensions so you could have a WP or SS as an extension to your web browser. Since in Europe Firefox is reported to have displaced IE as the most popular browser that would provide an immediate route to lots of users. Google pay Mozilla to have their search as the default because of the number of Firefox users for a reason. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
Well for a reader is not such a big deal if it's HTML5 or nor, but if there were a Office Suite, like Microsoft Docs Google Docs, that should be in HTML5! But apparently no one has started such a thing and no one seems to be interested. IBM is working on one and Oracle is already offering one, at least both are ODF based! I'm wondering why libre office is not interested in developing an HTML5 complete office Suite. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 18:15, Christophe Strobbe christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be wrote: Hi Jaime, Are you aware of WebODF http://www.webodf.org/? It was presented at the ODF Plugfest in Brussels in October last year. See http://lwn.net/Articles/409957/ (browse down to ODF on the web.) (I know it uses XHTML 1.0 Strict instead of HTML5.) Best regards, Christophe At least we should start with a ODF reader, it doesn't have to be a plugin, it can be a HTML5 application. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 10:00, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: What would be better if more difficult would be to have a Writer/Calc plugin to Firefox using the extensions so you could have a WP or SS as an extension to your web browser. Since in Europe Firefox is reported to have displaced IE as the most popular browser that would provide an immediate route to lots of users. Google pay Mozilla to have their search as the default because of the number of Firefox users for a reason. -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 http://www.docarch.be/ Twitter: @RabelaisA11y --- Better products and services through end-user empowerment www.usem-net.eu - www.stand4all.eu --- Please don't invite me to Facebook, Quechup or other social networks. You may have agreed to their privacy policy, but I haven't. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
Nobody told me, that's the problem, i have been asking a lot about that, and nobody seems to be interested, nor knows anything. So that's why I'm wondering why. I think that is the future, there will be less and less fat client apps, and more and more browser based apps. The main reason is interoperabilty and platform independence. With ann HTML5 Office suite, you just need a browser, and you can even install it locally. Now LO develops several versionsfor different platforms, which cost more resources. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 18:46, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/1/6 Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com: I'm wondering why libre office is not interested in developing an HTML5 complete office Suite. Who told you that? An html5 app based on LibO does not exists yet, that's clear, but that does not mean it will never be one. LibO is a FOSS project, the only thing needed is someone with the knowledge to start such a project (not an easy task, for sure...). Surely there will be hands interested on helping if someone is able to put the first bits together. BUT: LibO is still defining its roadmap. I think it is not a good idea to start building over something that will change in the near future. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Bug in LibreOffice RC2 (Impress)
I tried it on Linux Mint 10 with LO 3.3 RC2, the color is fine, just the gradient is different. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 14:58, Axel Reimer lopar...@fpgas.de wrote: Hello, I just opened an old presentation and recognized a display bug. Reproduction: 1. Create a new Impress Presentation 2. Draw a rectangle. 3. Right-Click on the rectangle and click area. 4. Choose gradients 5. For type select axial 6. For angle select 90 degrees. 7. Click ok. 8. The area of the rectangle is displayed correctly. 9. Now start the presentation and the color of the rectangle will be incorrect. Tested with Ubuntu 10.04 and LibreOffice RC2. Can anyone reproduce this bug with the same or a different operating system? I remember that OpenOffice.org once had this bug, too (some time ago) but it was fixed. Best regards, Axel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
I believe integrating Thunderbird would be more a marketing move than anything else, but marketing is very effective!!! So that's why I think it would be great if Thunderbird could be integrated automatically with LO. As I said before, a sort of container that can select the applications ti be installed, probably giving the option by installation to select the individual appliciations: Writer(Text P.), Calc(Spreadsheet), Impress(Presentations),..., Thunderbird(E-Mail), Lightning(Calendar). Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 15:22, Christophe Strobbe christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be wrote: At 00:19 3/01/2011, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: What do other devs think about including something as mentioned below somehow in regards to a mail client alternative to MS outlook? I've been working without an integrated e-mail client for years; it's not a priority for me. However, when I recommended OpenOffice.org to another user (before October last year), she asked if it also contained an Outlook alternative. I replied that alternatives exist elsewhere, e.g. Thunderbird. (I just checked that Corel WordPerfect Office Standard has Lightning and Thunderbird integrated. The toll of Microsoft Office brainwashing? As far as I can tell from the Wikipedia entry, iWork does not have an e-mail client. Nor do SoftMaker Office 2010 or Kingsoft Office 2010.) Without a proper survey, we can probably only guess how many users expect an e-mail cient in an office suite. So I can only offer my opinion: the ability to interface with e-mail clients would be a useful feature. Some users don't want to migrate to another mail client just because it is included in the LibreOffice download, but other users - I'm thinking of users new to office suites and e-mail - may appreciate some handholding. If an e-mail client were integrated in the LibreOffice download, I would like the option to exclude it from the installation and have the office suite interface with my installed client (assuming that it implements the necessary APIs). I haven't mentioned forking an existing mail client; that's because I don't consider it a good way to use TDF community resources. Best regards, Christophe On 1/2/11 7:49 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so... There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on *nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on the stablest of systems (otherwise)... 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the moment, at least that I am aware of... the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big... -- Christophe Strobbe K.U.Leuven - Dept. of Electrical Engineering - SCD Research Group on Document Architectures Kasteelpark Arenberg 10 bus 2442 B-3001 Leuven-Heverlee BELGIUM tel: +32 16 32 85 51 http://www.docarch.be/ Twitter: @RabelaisA11y --- Better products and services through end-user empowerment www.usem-net.eu - www.stand4all.eu --- Please don't invite me to Facebook, Quechup or other social networks. You may have agreed to their privacy policy, but I haven't. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format
As many already said, OOXML r/w support is already there, if you don't like it, then develop a way to disable it. Someone already developed it, and that's why it is there already. Why can anyone think that they can remove any functionality that is already there? It is a pain in th a... to do the OOXML r/w support, but someone already did it!!! Why in God's name would is so bad on having it if it's already there? I believe that any extra functionality that some one develops and actually works, should be added to OSS, any OSS, and nothing should be banned just because some religious extremists don't want to have it. What you are proposing is like banning support for Fat32 or NTFS from Linux!! Do you understand how crazy that would be -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Co-working with Moz, etc
As I said before, Cloud based Office Suites are becoming more mature, I think LO should start developing an HTML5 browser based office and ideally integrate it with Zimbra! It would be great to install LO locally and be able to share it through the web to others from your computer without any further installation necessary. Enterprises could make only one installation on a huge server and anyone could use it directly from the browser, and Cloud companies like Amazon could just upload an image and make it available for all their customers. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 00:33, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.comwrote: Zimbra is exactly what would push LO to be a serious threat to Microsoft Office. Isn't that what the goal is of this project to slowly eat away at Microsoft's majority market share? On 1/2/11 10:00 PM, NoOp wrote: On 01/02/2011 10:49 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so... There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on *nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on the stablest of systems (otherwise)... 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the moment, at least that I am aware of... the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big... Might be worth considering collaborating with Zimbra: http://www.zimbra.com/ I found this interesting: http://www.zimbra.com/forums/developers/37811-openoffice-org-integration-google-docs-zoho.html The guy was using SuSE build of OOo 3.2. I generally use SeaMonkey, but I've been experimenting with Zimbra Desktop lately it seems to be an interesting alternative w/calendar, Document, Briefcase, etc. And it's open source: http://www.zimbra.com/about/ albeit with their own ZPL: http://www.zimbra.com/downloads/os-downloads.html A tie-in with LibO Zimbra would be about as close as MS Outlook/Office (I'm not referring to Outlook Express) with a multiplatform environment. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Co-working with Moz, etc
Hello Jonathan, Google only converts to ODF, they use their own proprietary file format natively, they don't use ODF natively and they don't have as much functionality as LO. You can use Google Docs with a Google account as you can use MS Docs with a Facebook account. Problems: - None of them use ODF natively, they just export to ODF. - None of them you can install locally. - None of them are Open Source. It's like if we asked: Why do we make Libre Office if MS is already giving MS Office for free? Think about is, it would be much simple to develop a HTML5 Libre Office, because it is by nature platform independent and you can install it locally. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 01:03, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.comwrote: Jaime I believe on previous posts on this thread or another one that TDF is working on getting Google to support the ODF format. why create something that has already been done by Google? On 1/3/11 12:54 AM, Jaime R. Garza wrote: As I said before, Cloud based Office Suites are becoming more mature, I think LO should start developing an HTML5 browser based office and ideally integrate it with Zimbra! It would be great to install LO locally and be able to share it through the web to others from your computer without any further installation necessary. Enterprises could make only one installation on a huge server and anyone could use it directly from the browser, and Cloud companies like Amazon could just upload an image and make it available for all their customers. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 00:33, Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Zimbra is exactly what would push LO to be a serious threat to Microsoft Office. Isn't that what the goal is of this project to slowly eat away at Microsoft's majority market share? On 1/2/11 10:00 PM, NoOp wrote: On 01/02/2011 10:49 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Well, I disagree, but there is no way to prove one of us is right, so... There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite Evolution is extremely buggy, *especially* on Windows, but yes, even on *nix... Yes, there are many people who run it without problems, but there are far more who complain of constant crashes and bugs, even on the stablest of systems (otherwise)... 2) or install software that already exists in the open source arena. Thunderbird+Lightning would be the best other choice here...not perfect by any stretch, but the only viable FLOSS alternative on Windows at the moment, at least that I am aware of... the problem with 2 is that it will greatly increase the download size, which would pose issues for people with slow bandwidth. Thunderbird+Lightning is not that big... Might be worth considering collaborating with Zimbra: http://www.zimbra.com/ I found this interesting: http://www.zimbra.com/forums/developers/37811-openoffice-org-integration-google-docs-zoho.html The guy was using SuSE build of OOo 3.2. I generally use SeaMonkey, but I've been experimenting with Zimbra Desktop lately it seems to be an interesting alternative w/calendar, Document, Briefcase, etc. And it's open source: http://www.zimbra.com/about/ albeit with their own ZPL: http://www.zimbra.com/downloads/os-downloads.html A tie-in with LibO Zimbra would be about as close as MS Outlook/Office (I'm not referring to Outlook Express) with a multiplatform environment. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
But why only for Thunderbird? Why not make an open container (or just modularize the existing one with a well defined interface) to will allow any application to use the resources (e.g. dictionaries) and have full integration with all LO resources? On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 20:36, Lee Hyde anub...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/01/11 19:20, Craig A. Eddy wrote: So, what am I saying? You don't NEED to add something useless like Outlook or Evolution to LO. You just have to allow Thunderbird to connect to it, and people can make their own choice as to whether they want all the other bells and whistles. Therefore, no increase in size due to bundling but the advantage that those that WANT the extras can have them without difficulty I agree, an integration add-on for Thunderbird (and any other e-mail clients or contact managers with an add-on architecture) would be a far better use of resources. Simply making contacts available to LibreOffice would do wonders for mail-merge luck functionality (for the life of me I can't think of any other functionalities one would require of an outlook clone). -- The division of mankind threatens it with destruction. Only universal cooperation under conditions of intellectual freedom and the lofty moral ideals of socialism and labor, accompanied by the elimination of dogmatism and pressure of the concealed interests of ruling classes, will preserve civilization. -- Andrei Sakharov, The New York Times (July 22nd, 1968) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc
My point is that if they are stand alone,they should still be able to share seamlessly the resources, like the dictionary, spell check, even PDF export, I'm not sure if Thunderbird uses one. But the important thing is to give the feeling that they work integrated. Not only to the E-Mail client, but to the Calendar and contacts. Thinking more into the Social, to be able to share documents made from LO directly after making them from the same application, having a button called SHARE, which will let the users select from the contacts and then automatically send the share invitation to the E-Mail of the selected contact. In general to give the effect that Google Docs and GMail give, that they work together! And that brings me again to the point of the Cloud Office Suite, if the DocumentFoundation is not thinking on developing a HTML5 based LibreOffice, at least there should be a tied integration with something like ULTEO (www.ulteo.com) that allows office directly into the browser without any installation necessary. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 21:08, Lee Hyde anub...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/01/11 19:42, Jaime R. Garza wrote: But why only for Thunderbird? Why not make an open container (or just modularize the existing one with a well defined interface) to will allow any application to use the resources (e.g. dictionaries) and have full integration with all LO resources? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the main bone of contention with regards to integrating a third-party e-mail client the flow of data *from* the client, *to* the office suite. If that is the case, surely there is a *need* develop an add-on for each e-mail client. I can't imagine there being a need to share resources with an e-mail client (certainly Thunderbird) as they (as stand-alone products) strive to be feature complete. That being said don't both Thunderbird and LibO use hunspell? If so, would it not already be a simple matter to share dictionaries? For example a system-wide hunspell dictionary. For the record I'm not in favour of LibO wasting resources on developing their own PIM or e-mail client. There are plenty of alternatives out there, and LibO should work on integration with them (I assume such would represent a lot less work compared with a brand new or forked PIM). Regards, Lee Hyde. -- We Americans claim to be a peace-loving people. We hate bloodshed; we are opposed to violence. Yet we go into spasms of joy over the possibility of projecting dynamite bombs from flying machines upon helpless citizens. We are ready to hang, electrocute, or lynch anyone, who, from economic necessity, will risk his own life in the attempt upon that of some industrial magnate. Yet our hearts swell with pride at the thought that America is becoming the most powerful nation on earth, and that she will eventually plant her iron foot on the necks of all other nations. Such is the logic of patriotism. -- Emma Goldman, What is Patriotism? (1908) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format
Well, we need to be able to import those transitional OOXML (2007-2010) formats. If we can save to them, is not really necessary, (since MS office suites 2007 2010 support MS-Office 2003 FF too), but is a nice to have feature. The real ISO OOXML will be implemented by MS first on MS Office 2014. By them LibreOffice must be able to import and export that format. They will depreciate the old format MS-Office FF when they finally implement the ISO OOXML, which is not a complete open format since it still has a lot of proprietary hooks, but at least the base is openly specified. Even though I think it would be nice to be able to export to the transitional formats too, I agree that it a pain in the a But that's how MS is playing with the Open Standards and we have to win them in their own game. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 23:29, Barbara Duprey b...@onr.com wrote: I don't think anybody is saying LibO should drop .doc export -- just not try to export to the OOXML Transitional formats. In theory, MS will go to OOXML Strict in the 2014 (or whenever) release, and that should by then be a truly open format, if the comments submitted to the standards committee are properly worked off. Meanwhile, exporting to the Transitional form for new documents is specifically deprecated in the ISO standard; doing that really plays into a possible MS strategy to continue to ignore the Strict version forever, maintaining the proprietary lock-in while claiming to be open. Several of the comments here suggest a middle road, allowing the save but with a message clarifying the limitations of the format (and perhaps recommending use of the XP formats if interoperating with an MS-only shop; their ODF support is not truly interoperable at a reasonable level, the older formats come closer). That seems reasonable, at least for editing documents that are received in these formats -- I'm not convinced it should be allowed for new work, though. At the least, the SaveAs dialog should label the format using the word Transitional. It probably makes sense to start working towards OOXML Strict export as soon as that is a reasonably stationary target, though. Wouldn't it be great if LibO were the first implementation compliant with the ISO standard? And if the other FOSS implementations also headed there, we could beat MS at their own game! It must be arrogant for them to send you a format you don't support. Also, if the Win 7 users don't know what format the documents are in, why does it matter if it's returned to them in a .doc format? Think you hit the nail on the head, pal. Those who ignore any notion of a file format, will do it both ways, always, anyways... Office on-the-web only saves in docx. Office 2013/4 will quite possibly drop .doc export, just as Word 6/95 export was dropped from Word 2003 - after a failed attempt to drop it from 2000. MS can do this because they are the market leader. To fail to offer even rudimentary docx export would damage LibO's market penetration. my thoughts anyway! zf -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Digest of discuss@documentfoundation.org issue 140 (3843-3863)
Hello, I just want to inform you all that docx, pptx, xlsx, etc is not the same as the ISO OOXML which was saddly accepted as an ISO standard. The currently used OOXML format is a completely proprietary XML based format. And the specification of the OOXML ISO Standard is so complex and long that not even MS has been able to implement it, and they are promising they will implement it for MS Office 2014, so there you you go, yet another MS format for 2014! The next MS format, which is supposed to be completely specified in the open, still has proprietary hooks, like WordArt, and such stuff that remains proprietary but the base is completely specified in the open. The specification is so long and complex, that there will be a lot of time before someone can even start to be really compatible to the files generated from MS office 2014. In the other hand, MS already supports ODF, read write, so if we can, why the %$%$ wouldn't we support the MS formats? Don't you understand that there are customers for every LO user that use MS Office and they need to exchange information. And since MS office can read and write ODF, why would an enterprise customer choose LO or even OO? I work in a big German company, and I have tried to make ODF, OO/ LO relevant, but nobody cares because a great majority of our customers use MS Office and MS Office formats. What is wrong with you guys? To be a religious freak doesn't help for the adoption of open standards and open source. Cheers! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Digest of discuss@documentfoundation.org issue 142 (3894-3923)
Dear all, I agree with Mr. Schulz, let's reflect and think what is the best way to fulfill the business needs of all the Libre Office potential users in 2011. I would love to ban all MS Formats and establish ODF as standard for everyone in the world, but fact is that until ODF Office Suites dominate, we will need to support MS Office formats, if we don't, we will saddly loose market share instead of winning more. The other thing we have to think about is that Mature Cloud Office Suites will become reality soon, the good news is that IBM and Oracle have ODF based cloud office suites. Maybe there should be a cloud HTML5 based office suite developed by the Document Foundation!? Just something to think about! Cheers! Jaime R. Garza Dear all, In a few hours the year 2010 will come to an end. While I don't think there's any reason to panic about that I would suggest to look a bit backwards and reflect on what we have accomplished altogether. 2010 was quite a year, and 2011 is going to be an exciting year as well. I would like to thank you for your support ever since -or even before- this now famous day of the 26th of September 2010 when we announced the birth of the Document Foundation. Last but not least, I would like to wish you a happy, healthy, joyful and successful new year 2011. Cheers best wishes, Charles-H. Schulz Co-Founder Steering Committee Member, The Document Foundation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format
Sorry to get into the discussion, but what are your goals, to be arrogant, or not? Or to make ODF the defacto standard which saddly is still NOT? The important thing is to fulfill the needs from potential users, specially in the enterprise. *e.g. *E-mail composers in the enterprise usually support text, RTF and HTML, and will automatically reply in the same format, why? Because enterprise users need to support all market standards! The same applies for File Formats, the enterprise users need to support the maket-share leaders, and even though we don't like it, the market leaders are still MS File Formats. It's not about being arrogant, or making a point, is about winning market-share, and if we don't understand that, we already lost the race. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 01:10, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:35:24AM +, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 31/12/10 10:32, M. Fioretti wrote: wrong. Mine (mutt) doesn't for example, Then I would plonk you immediately. How do you not see that that is TOTALLY ARROGANT? If I send you an email in plain text and you reply in HTML, because YOU want to, that is complete rudeness and intolerance. Please excuse the double reply to this post. It was inadvertent. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Can someone tell me who is developing the ODF viewer?
Hello All, I would like to have contact with the developers of the ODF viewer. I would like to port the functionality into Firefox/Chomium Extensions. Cheers! Jaime R. Garza -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] ODF viewer Extension for Chromium/Firefox
Hello all, I would like to start the development of a ODF viewer Extension for Chromium/Firefox. I know there is an ODF Viewer already, I want to probably port it to an extension that could be installed to Firefox Chromium. Would anybody like to help me? Cheers, Jaime R. Garza -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
